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Tim Crowder

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  1. I remind them of that whenever I go by the museum. I think it’s easier for them to move it into another room with the top down.
  2. In rebuilding the body of the 1918 Kline Kar at the Virginia Museum of History and Culture, I noticed how much wood was used in the sub assembly, from the doors to the main body. Any vehicle that wasn’t garage or barn kept over the years would soon begin to deteriorate. While body shops could repair the sheet metal at the time, wood repair was another story. I based the original estimate of approximately 2500 cars produced on factory records, serial number lists, and known buyers of the Kline. I have a list of 256 buyers of Kline Kars from between 1909 and 1919. This list includes buyers from coast to coast and overseas shipments as well.
  3. I remember it being yellow in the photos. That explains why the owner that sent me the photos never responded back when I gave him the bad news.
  4. I reviewed a group of photos several years ago from someone that had purchased what they were told was a 1910 Kline, however based on my factory records, factory photos, etc., I couldn’t verify it as being an original Kline. It could have been assembled from replacement parts over it’s life. I believe it left the northeast and ended up in Spain. The collector that you mention wrote a great book about the history of Pennsylvania built automobiles.
  5. You should be very proud of your work. The top and paint really make the car look amazing.
  6. This is what I started with in 1985. some of my reconstruction. When I completed my work and the car went on to its next phase of completion. I have a photo album of images from the beginning to the end of my work. Again, the staff at White Post did an excellent job finishing this project. We all share in the credit for the Kline Kar now on display in the Virginia Museum of History and Culture.
  7. Sadly, I seem to have been blocked this evening on Facebook by White Post. While I’m flattered by the personal attention, I guess my telling the whole story of my years of work on the Kline Kar prior to its completion was too much. Their team did a great job to complete the project, however many years of labor and expense by me are well documented.
  8. I’d be happy to. I keep thinking that A.D. Price, the original owner of the Kline would be thrilled.
  9. Its amazing to see that the 1918 Kline Kar that I rebuilt over a ten year period with the restoration process being completed by the amazing staff at White Post Restoration has now been recreated as a 2022 Christmas ornament, available from the Virginia Museum of History and Culture in Richmond Virginia. This can be ordered from their Website, with proceeds going to support a great museum and collection.
  10. The Kline Kar company never installed a top with a side window like the one in the photo. Also, they never used cowl lights. The vertical hood louvre for Kline would be available on cars after 1920. I would go with it being a Chandler.
  11. For anyone interested in the real history of the Kline Motor Car Company and the saga of this particular car, I would recommend the Dec.1992-Jan. 1993 issue of Richmond Surroundings magazine. There is a great article by Harry Kollatz, Jr. that offers a history lesson of Kline with a lot of photos and information that I collaborated with him to draft. The Kline is beautiful and it is where I always intended for it to be. Like myself, the Museum is not interested in car show judging standards but instead is presenting a piece of Virginia history to Virginians. Happily, the car is not part of a private collection where it would only come out for trophies but is available for anyone that is interested. The craftsmen at White Post have done a terrific job finishing the car. While my ten year effort might not have reached show standards because the Museum purchased the car when I was mid way in my work, that was never my focus. I think everyone involved with this project should share in its success. From Dave Garriques, who first bought the car in the 1970’s and stored it until my ten year effort to rebuild all of the wood and rebuild the body and all of the mechanical components began, to the completion by White Post. This is not a “restored by” project but instead was a team effort beginning in 1987. The Kline Kar looks amazing and everyone should be proud.
  12. The 1918 Kline Kar project that began for me in 1987 has been completed by White Post Restoration and it is back in the Virginia Museum of History and Culture in Richmond. Beautiful job by the staff at White Post. What began as a project for me in 1987.and when I had taken the work as far as I could.The car looks great and I’m sure we’ll be hearing about it for some time. Pictures of the finished car can be seen on the White Post Restoration webpage.
  13. I received a set of photos about twenty years ago from someone that had bought what he was told was a 1913 Kline Kar roadster. The car came from a museum in New York. Based on all of the information that I have, I couldn’t verify that any parts of the car were Kline. However, it could have been assembled from parts. The other Kline vehicle is a race car that was originally built at Kline’s York factory in 1912 with standard parts. The Duesenberg engine was installed in 1917. This car and the other Kline racer had a long track history. The only surviving Kline racer with the Duesenberg engine is in the collection of Sam Mann.
  14. Thank you Wayne. As I’ve mentioned before, my goal was always to have the Kline available for public, museum display. With all of the local attention it has caused, I often wished I had locked it away as the owner before me had done. I’ll ultimately be glad when it’s back in the Museum’s hands and the quality of my work will not be judged. The car’s history will be the most important aspect.
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