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  1. On 12/3/2019 at 1:21 PM, edinmass said:

     

     

    Let's put it this way........29 & 30 are very close in price and drivability with the 30 definitely  a better driver. 1931 is a 25 - 35 percent price premium  at minimum. 1932 the eight engines get smaller with introduction of the V-12, but they have a better transmission. Styling from 31 to 32 is completely different. With three different size eights, four different chassis lengths, two different steering boxes, three different carburetors.......there is just too much to cover in a short post. Also, the 31 & 32 cars are much rarer than the 29's and 30's. So here is my choice for all Pierce eights from 1929 to 1932. Twelves NOT included.

     

    1- 1931 Series 42

    2-1931  Series 41

     

    3&4 - 1931 Series 43 or 1932 Series 54

    5&6 - 1930 Series A and 1930 Series B

    7&8 - 1929 Series 133 and Series 143

    9 - 1930 Series C

     

    NOTE - All are great cars, and drive better than 90 percent of what was available in their day, the opinion is based on upgrades that make the car better drivers, easier to service, production and survival numbers, parts availability, ect. What have I owned as a perminant keeper in my garage, my "not for sale" cars............1931 Series 42 for 33 years, and a 1932 Series 54 for 12 years. I have owned countless others, but they were all accidental  or flip cars that stayed for a short time..........except the all origional 1929 Series 133 that we had for four or five years....which we drove the wheels off, it took us that long to sell it, otherwise it would have been gone sooner. 

     

     

    I would love to get a detailed breakdown about the eights and twelves throughout the years starting from 1929. You Pierce lovers have slowly convinced me this may be the way to go when I purchase a classic. Where can I find detailed year over year improvements and comments on drivability? 
     

    I know it will take some time to write out and comment on in detail, but I know there are some of us who would love it!


  2. 9 hours ago, alsancle said:

     

    I said that?   It does sound smart!

     

    I was just talking to a friend this morning about this thread and was basically saying the same thing so maybe it was me.   Best to learn one or two kinds of car you can be an expert on.    There are so many little idiosyncrasies with the different makes and models that  you will never get anywhere with an eclectic collection.

    I think this is a really great piece of advice. Makes it more likely for individuals to make the right decisions when repairing and restoring, and allows the choices to be as proper as possible. Not to mention it brings out higher quality work, and more likely for an individual to follow through with a project!

     

    Now just to decide what make and series! Do I want to do Packard, or Buick, or Pierce, or Cadillac, or Chrysler, or....


  3. On 11/20/2019 at 9:20 AM, JRA said:

    Interesting question. Keeping a late 1920´s car in good shape, rigorous maintenance and perfect operational condition will make it a great touring car, as it was already stated before. I usually drive my antique cars here in Brazil and, among all my cars, the 1929 Dodge-Brothers, brougham, is the one I consider most perfect for today´s roads and traffic! Very reliable, comfortable and easy to drive. Good speeds on the roads, and safe hydraulic brakes! Easy to park is also a good feature of this car, it is not so big and once it is a closed car, I can lock the doors and go for a walk without concerns.

    Julio Albernaz

    1926 Studebaker Big Six, sport roadster

    1928 Chevrolet National, touring

    1929 Dodge-Brothers Six, brougham

    1929 Husdon Super Six, sedan

    1929 Chrysler 75, roadster

    1929 Marmon 78, touring speedster

    I find this point really interesting! Out of the cars you have listed in your response, I would have assumed you to pick the Chrysler 75, then probably the Marmon or Hudson in terms of overall drive-ability. Would you be able to comment on the others in relation to your Dodge? 


  4. I thought it would be fun to start a thread showcasing period road trip pictures, or modern pictures of road trips in period style. Let's keep it to pre-1942. We don't often see these cars dirty and being driven hard, so let's see what you have in your archives! Include details if you can, and share your journeys! 

     

     

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    Cadillac Carl's 1927 Cadillac, prepped for his trip:

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    1929 Buick running Peking to Paris

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     1928 Graham-Paige Model 610 on the Zapp family's round-the-world trip

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  5. 1 hour ago, PFitz said:

    Well said, Ed and Matt !!!!!! 

     

    That should be a printed hand-out to all who are considering buying a pre-war car.

     

    Paul

    No kidding! It would save a lot of people frustration and disappointment when their car doesn't work right after they haven't serviced it for 10 years. I find it somewhat amusing that just because it is a pre-war car, many people say "how hard could it be?" with the assumption it is easily understood technology. It would keep many people from purchasing, but the ones who do would be likely fully dedicated going in.


  6. 9 hours ago, edinmass said:

    Many people buy a car for some particular reason, then try to make it a good performer on the open road......when the car just doesn’t have “the right stuff”. Since most of us only have one toy, it’s important to do your homework before you pull the trigger and end up with a car that can’t do what you want it to, no matter how much you try. Usually the best deal is the most expensive car you will ever buy........making things right after poor workmanship and low cost restoration work is usually three times more expensive than starting off with thr right car to begin with. 

    I like these points. Part of the reasoning behind this thread was the desire to have the research done all in one place. I wanted to discuss chassis advantages/disadvantages of particular cars. I also notice you don't refer to a general Marque, because like Cadillac, some are definitely better than others even within the same brand. I wanted to find out the details here, and hopefully be able to narrow it down to a selection of cars that have "the right stuff."

     

    I do intend to purchase the best thing I can afford. I do not see the sense in redoing very expensive body work or paint work if I can find one done very well from the start. 

     

    Walt: Thanks for your input. Even in this thread, and around the forum I have come to highly value the people and information about. The precise reason for this thread in particular, was to lure out the most experienced members of this forum and discover their views from behind the wheels and under the hoods of these great classics. I consider this my homework, and hopefully I will get a chance to test drive a few cars in the future.

     

    Bill: I have basically eliminated anything past V12 from my mind. The extra complexity really doesn't lend itself any additional value in my mind. I haven't excluded V12 cars yet, since there are simply so many out there, and can be had in a wide variety of bodies, marques, and prices. I will admit however, the straight eight cars and the Lincoln V8 are the most appealing overall. Condition is very much so a key consideration to my eventual selection.

     

    To everyone: Thank you again for the wonderful feedback and comments. The contributions here and in the PM's I have received are wonderful to read and definitely show the vast knowledge and kindness among this group.

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  7. 3 hours ago, edinmass said:

    Both those Lincoln’s are what I call .........a car collectors car. Interesting coach work and lines.......not fantastic, but very nice. Build quality is fantastic. Chassis is average, and the power plant is acceptable. Good driver for 40-45 mph without modifications and refinements. They are an excellent value on the dollar spent. They have always been a “hard sell” like Pierce Arrows and a few others, but the collectors in the know buy them and keep them.

    Would the chassis be capable of 55 mph touring after being sorted? I have heard they are great drivers, so I would be interested in details regarding their drive-ability and chassis. I would consider overdrive to any car a very possible modification. I too have noticed they are somewhat boring compared to the more extravagant cars of the era, but they have a sincere handsomeness to them that I really like, and seem to be drawn back time and time again, even after I get distracted by the prettier cars.

     

    Regarding Packard 900's, I remember Matt Harwood had a sinister looking black 900 sedan for sale a while back. Really liked that car.

    I have also looked into the Buicks, and the 1932/3 90 series cars are quite attractive to my eye. 

     

    jrbartlett: I absolutely agree. :)


  8. 10 minutes ago, edinmass said:

    When it comes to we’ll sorted CCCA Classic Cars, most anything you buy is decent. All have one or two faults, NONE are perfect. There are several of the approved cars on the list I wouldn’t own, due to design and performance issues. Some cars are just 40 mph cars, and that’s what they were designed to be. Auburns are great, I am a fan of them, but the fit and finish leaves me cold........but they sure rip down the road when pushed. All things considered, only a few are truly star performers and available at prices the average collector can afford. Many of the legends don’t do it for me.......too many flaws. Notice I haven't called any Marques.......by choice. Some cars are much easier to own than others.........early Cadillac’s are very challenging and beyond most people’s ability to keep going down the road without issues. Drive as many as you can. Try and find cars that have just finished a tour.......they are usually better than most. Just remember one thing............LESS THAN ONE PERCENT ARE CORRECT. LESS THAN ONE PERCENT ARE AS NEW.

    This is precisely my attitude towards this. The few full classics near me have things that even I know are not correct. A local Packard 903 that "just finished a complete restoration" had some minor mistakes made, but also some more major oversights that were unfortunate to see on a nice convertible. This kind of work frustrates me, so any car I intend to purchase I will always result to experts (thank god for this forum).

     

    FLYER15015: Tying into edinmass' point, I have great doubt whether a "completed" vehicle is actually sorted. Even those two Lincolns I imagine will need work, and I would rather start with as good of a base as possible, with the majority of the costly work done, so I can just focus on the minor details/corrections. 

     

    Buffalowed Bill: In response to your question, I want a car that I love looking at as much as I love driving. The idea of this thread was to find a good combination of luxury, styling, and solid engineering. Often cars that are physically gorgeous are poor to drive, like many of the aerodynamic coupes of the time, which were cramped or even claustrophobic. I like the Lincolns, I just haven't heard much about them. They just happened to be a couple that I picked out from a list of vehicles I find appealing.


  9. 19 minutes ago, Buffalowed Bill said:

    From the cars that you initially highlighted it's obvious that you seem to have an affinity for "Classic" cars. The CCCA, and the rest of the car world vetted these cars for a reason. They all have certain objective and subjective qualities that set the cars apart form the rest. They are considered "Classics" for their differences, but also because of their accepted mechanical superiority. In other words all of the boxes have to be checked or they never would have passed muster. It's like trying to choose whether you prefer steak or lobster for dinner. Like you see here, you might talk to twenty car people and get answers all over the board. If you are looking for a simple answer you will be disappointed, because there is no simple answer. Figure out what things appeal to you and ask specific questions. The direction that you have taken will only muddy the waters.

    Bill

     

    Thanks for the input Bill. I specifically do not want easy answers. I want to hear as many opinions as possible on the widest variety of vehicles. With the most information possible, I can at least narrow my search, then ask the specific questions as time goes on. I am still in the phase where basic mechanical quirks about certain cars need to be learned before I can really proceed. I like complicated answers, as this is a complicated issue.

    1 hour ago, FLYER15015 said:

    Sharps,

    Taking this discussion in total, Both Ed and Matt have given you some good advice, and they are "high end collectors".

    Thing is, you need to find a car that really "knocks your socks off" when you first see it.

     

    But in the end, you REALLY need to LOVE the car.

    Otherwise, working on it or spending $$$ to have it worked on is not fun, and you will burn out on your project.

     

    Mike in Colorado

     

    This is really the biggest thing for me Mike. I can only do so much looking on Hemmings or various auction pages. I need to get behind the wheel of some of these to figure out what I like. I have fallen in love with some wonderful looking cars in classified ads or on auction pages, but never driven something of the like. I really want to get as much research done beforehand, so I can take the time and wait to purchase something I will really LOVE, instead of a bunch of mediocre vehicles along the way.

     

    Speaking of vehicles I like, I did want to include a link to these two 1931 Lincoln K's. They really caught my eye when I first saw the ads. They are by no means the only vehicles that have caught my eye over the past few years, but they have remained in my mind and seem like they would be good choices for tour cars. My only complaint might be that their interiors aren't as flashy as I might want, but that is really nitpicking. I would be curious to hear opinions about Lincoln K's, and their successors in the KA/KB lines. 

    https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lincoln/k/2306346.html

    https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lincoln/k/2230567.html


  10. I really appreciate all of the information and opinions on this thread. Some great suggestions and I can't wait to do further research into all of the leads provided. 

     

    I must say I appreciate a high build quality and bevy of beautiful features, but I will be buying a car to drive. Build quality and features add to this of course, and if I can find something well put together that is an extreme bonus. Realistically Cords and anything supercharged probably isn't the best choice because of the added complexity.

     

    2 hours ago, Matt Harwood said:

    The smaller point that keeps coming up in a subtle way is one that many of us harp on constantly: a well-sorted cheap car will drive better than a poorly sorted expensive car.


    Today, decades after they were new, the quality of the maintenance is far more important to the driving experience than the brand of car. A vast majority of old cars are crap, regardless of price. A tiny fraction are wonderful, again regardless of price. The badge on the radiator matters less than the care it has received when it comes to a car being pleasing to drive today.

     

    I like what Matt is saying here. It reinforces a belief I have come to develop after reading many threads on here and other forums. Any car I purchase, it will be in the best condition I can afford, but then I will set about sorting the vehicle as completely as I possibly can. I want to experience it as if it was a brand new vehicle. I want to make sure I enjoy the vehicle as much as possible and I recognize I can only do so once sorted. I really admire folks like edinmass who drive hard and don't bring tools (though I think I will always bring at least some). Matt - I also believe what you preach in regards to hack mechanics who really do a world of hurt to these vehicles. Not everyone can be an expert in everything, so even "full restorations" often need a bunch re-done.


  11. On 10/27/2019 at 9:33 PM, FLYER15015 said:

    I drive my "31 Chrysler Imperial (CG) all over central Colorado, and we live @ 8500 ft.

     

    Mike in Colorado

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    I would like to know more about this. You don't hear much about them, and ai have always loved the long proportions of the hood and fenders. Would you be able to enlighten me on some of the driving characteristics/features?

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  12. 12 minutes ago, John_Mereness said:

    The ride on a Franklin is fabulous and probably the only car that you can drive over the worst or railroad crossings and never hit the brakes. 

     

    What makes the ride so good over other cars?

     

    2 minutes ago, John_Mereness said:

    Call be a glutton for punishment, but I have a soft spot for L-29 Cords (and well aware of their driving faults).  I also have a special garage spot for a Lancia Lambda Touring. 

     

    I love the look of the L-29's as well. Wonderful proportions, colours, and details. I agree I wouldn't want to tour one, but damn wouldn't I want one anyways!


  13. I think everyone is in agreement  the Duesenberg is the top dog. I suppose the question becomes one of "what's next?" Is it a V-16 Marmon or Cadillac? One of the many V-12 cars? What makes those Cadillacs hard to steer compared to another equally sized car? Does the steering gear truly make that big of a difference, or is it more down to tire size/front end weight?

     

    I assume a closed town car or sedan would be the best from a comfort perspective, but could a case be made for an open car aside from the lighter weight? I know they can get chilly! 


  14. 18 minutes ago, edinmass said:

    EDINMASS must be quite a character from all the comments.................

     

    Ok, confession time.......I haven’t responded because I was on the Duesenberg tour. Just got home.......
     

    The most important concept on this thread is properly sorted and serviced. Most any medium priced car from the 1929-1934 era is decent and drivable. Some are better drivers than others, and the quality of build, coachwork, and fit and finish vary quite extensively.

    What is the best? Well..........that depends......on countless permutations. 

     

    Here they are in descending order from the top.........

    Duesenberg

    Duesenberg

    Duesenberg

    Duesenberg

    Duesenberg

    all the rest in almost any order depending upon ones bias...........

     

    There are many great cars that are not well understood that offer fantastic value for your dollar, The Stude President is one of them. I can think of bunch of others. I prefer Pierce-Arrow..........over all the others. I could make the same argument for a few others. I have never been one to own something commonplace, I like the unusual. Pierce best fit my personality. 
     

    There are some very cool cars out there that are so rare they are not well known......a Sunbeam Twin Cam Six comes to mind. It’s high on my list. Just not in my budget.
     

    By the way.........we did 1700 miles in a total of ten days with the J in the last few weeks. One day was 275 miles over back surface roads in the rain........it can be done.......it’s not easy..........that’s why so few do it. Over the entire time, not one service, adjustment, or repair was needed. I did open the hood to check the oil.......nothing else.

    There's the man! ;)

     

    I doubt I will ever be able to afford a Duesenberg (though I won't stop trying), but I am interested in hearing your opinions comparing the other big marques; Packard, Pierce Arrow, Cadillac, Lincoln - just to name a few. I am curious as to your bias toward Pierce Arrow, and if it extends to all Pierce Arrows, or just a certain time frame (1934,1936-1937 for example). It seems to my untrained eye that Pierce Arrows and Lincolns seem pretty undervalued compared to the Packards and Cadillacs I otherwise hear mixed things about. With the Lincolns, is this possibly due to their reputation as being "Fords on steroids?"


  15. 7 minutes ago, Rusty_OToole said:

    There are some interesting choices in the medium priced field. Possibly more practical, and economical than the luxury Packards, Cadillacs and Pierces.

     

    Cars like the Hudson Super Six and Studebaker Big Six were the fast cars of the late 20s. I knew an old time collector who had a dozen cars but in the sixties and seventies his favorite tour car was a Willys Knight sleeve valve sedan.

     

    Buick, Chrysler, Nash, and others made some nice six cylinder and straight eight cars in the period.

    As much as I like the middle price field, I want to keep the discussion focused on the overall best drivers of the period, regardless of the price field they are from, though most will tend to be from the higher price fields as they have the higher quality and more impressive engineering. Still fun talking about all the marques!


  16. 2 hours ago, Graham Man said:

    I guess I do not understand the problem with updraft carbs?  I have several Graham-Paige cars all with updrafts.  I have been driving them personally for the last 15 years.   My 1933 just sat for over a month, cranked over and started right up last weekend.

     

    My favorite quote from a car show  "What is a young guy like you, driving a old car like that?"

     

    I own several eights and small sixes, all 1928-1933, the Graham-Paige eights (and big six) are geared higher than the small cars.  My 1929 Graham-Paige 827 will cruse at 70mph all day and has larger brakes to stop it, my 1931 small six likes 45mph.

    From my understanding, the problem is not so much updraft carbs in general, but their particular location on Lincoln Model L's in the V of the block. The heat can be quite a problem for their updrafts, but if I am wrong, Lincoln L experts please correct me so we have have accurate info on the thread. 

     

    I borrowed my neighbour's 1971 F250 4x4 for a week a couple years ago. I LOVED that truck with it's red/white two tone and 4 speed. You would be amazed as to how many people questioned why a young guy would bother driving a truck like that, since most "youngsters" have stanced Subarus and Acuras. 

     

    Regarding Model A's: I do not want to offend any owners of these venerable cars, especially since I really have come to respect what the Model A has come to mean for the motoring world in our history, really a great continuation of the Model T. I will say though, when it comes time to spend my money on a vintage car, I would rather something with greater drive-able, physically larger, and less common. I have driven quite a few Model A's, but I have also driven a handful of fairly well sorted larger series cars from Pontiac, Dodge, and Oldsmobile and the differences are quite profound in my eyes. I know the gap will be even more evident with the luxury marques. 

     

    1935Packard: I have noticed the 1937-1941 Cadillac's (1941 in particular) are very common tour cars. This is of course a great testament to their excellent driving nature and part availability. If I were to get something from this time period, I would have a hell of a time choosing between a Buick, Cadillac, LaSalle, or Packard.

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  17. I have to say I am thrilled with the responses on this topic - just what I was hoping for! I will answer some questions here.

     

    C Carl- Thanks for the welcome. To be honest, I was spurred on in this vision by your own tours in your 1927 Cadillac, as well as edinmass (especially edinmass) regarding his heavy use of classics once properly sorted. 

     

    TTR- by touring, I mean specifically long distance self-driven tours, 500,1000, 2000 miles. Mostly two-lane roads, but of course needs to be capable of higher speeds for the odd interstate stretch, though I wouldn't push anything too fast in any event. I am partial to heavy driving, and love seeing the world from behind a steering wheel. There are just two of us riding along for now, but multi-day organized or private tours are definitely on the hopeful agenda.

     

    alsancle- I admit, it does seem to be an open-ended troll question. The main reason for my asking, is that this information is discussed by folks like edinmass and yourself, but it is spread out over many forums and threads, never compiled in one place. That was partially the attempt here. I know Duesenbergs are phenomenal cars, but they have their quirks for heavy use like any one of these cars. 

     

    padgett- I do love my buffalo guns!

     

    And yes, I am asking about driver quality under the premise that each vehicle is well maintained and completely sorted (easier said then done on some cars).

     

     

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  18. At the great risk of starting a war...

     

    I thought it would be fun to as this question. I have always been a big believer in driving the heck out of cars, no matter what the vehicle, but certain ones obviously lend themselves to it more easily than others. 

     

    What are the best pre-war cars for lots of touring and regular use? Reliability & drive-ability. I know there is a huge technology disparity between 1927 and 1941, so I want to focus on mostly 1927-1934 or so. Buick, Auburn, Duesenbergs, Packards, Pierces, Cadillac, LaSalle, Lincolns, Chryslers (including airflows), or any of the other awesome big classics of the era. You don't hear a lot about some particularly drive-ability on Lincoln L's & K's, and the non airflow Chryslers, so would like to see all the big brands compared with all their highs and lows! 

     

    I know we have a lot of folks on this forum who spend a lot of time behind the wheels of great full classics! 


  19. 7 minutes ago, neil morse said:

     

    My Super has the optional 3.9 rear end, so what Matt says about its cruising speed is accurate.  I routinely drive it at 60 mph.  I have had it up to 65, but I prefer to drive at around 55 to 60, where it seems very comfortable.

     

    Good luck with your search -- Buicks are great cars, no question.

     

    Neil

    Thanks for the information everyone. I know I want something prewar. While my ultimate goal is an early 30's full classic, the funds won't be there for a while, and realistically it won't be as reliable or capable as a driver as an early 40's car. Really, my main debate right now it whether I want a 1941 Buick or a 1939-1941 Cadillac (60 special or 62). I like the uniqueness of the inline 8, and the extra power, though I know the Cadillac's are excellent cars for long distance cruising. Such a hard choice with no real wrong way to go!


  20. 11 hours ago, neil morse said:

    You refer to the "larger" series, but I'm assuming you understand that you are actually referring to the cars with the larger engine  -- the Century, Roadmaster, and Limited.  The Super is the larger-sized body with the smaller engine.  As a happy Super owner, I would suggest that you might want to consider broadening your search.  You might find that you would be just as happy with a Super.  The interior trim of the Super is identical to the Roadmaster.  The Limited (of course) is in a class by itself because of its larger wheelbase, and if you're set on a Limited, then you will be "limiting" yourself (pun intended) to a very small sample.  The Century is what everyone wants because it was the first factory hot rod to come out of Detroit, but keep in mind that it actually has the smaller body and is not as spacious on the inside as a Super.

     

    PS:  I agree with Mike that the Super currently offered by Specialty Sales in Pleasanton is grossly overpriced.  If you're looking for a nice Super, you should be able to pick one up for a much more reasonable price.

     

    Yes, my apologies for the possible confusion there. Interested in the cars with specifically the larger engine. As much as I like the idea of the Century and owning "the banker's hotrod," I fully intend to drive it often, and will be looking for either a Roadmaster or Limited with the larger interior, unless of course a perfect Century comes along to sway me otherwise.

     

    PS: I also found your Buick thread Neil! between Gary W's, Matt's, and now your thread, I feel set for life! :D

     

    Thanks everyone,

    Fox


  21. Thanks for the recommendation Matt. As I said, I really enjoyed your thread and follow closely the insight you and others like edinmass have regarding classics. At 21, I still have a lot to learn both in history and hands-on mechanics, and am consuming the information as much as I can as it is all massively fascinating. 


    I had a look at that brochure and some other sales brochures, and it all goes fairly basically over what was available. Does anyone have an option sheet/build sheet for these cars? Matt, in your thread you mention how fogs were dealer installed in some cases, but is there a document on the different features factory/dealer installed? I know it would be nice to all have in one place, but I am beginning to suspect this knowledge is largely piecemeal - with hints and clues that will be picked up by myself as time goes on.

     

    Mike, I have been following Buick sales closely, and see the overwhelming majority of 1941's for sale are Specials and Supers (to be expected) but these cars do not interest me as much as the three larger series for actual ownership. I still would however like to learn the technical information about all series. 

     


  22. I have had a good read through Matt Harwood's Buick Limited thread and decided a 1941 Buick would be a wonderful car to own. The style, drive-ability, and comfort really appeal to me, especially as I plan to drive it as much as I possibly can both day-to-day and on extended tours -- something that I can gently modify into a bullet-proof driver. I definitely want a larger series car, Century up to Limited, and love all of the body styles, with no real preference to anything particular. I enjoy the idea of a Limited, as the comfort, features, and rarity appeal to me. 

     

    My question is: for 60-90 series of 1941 Buicks, is there a resource aside from sales brochures that provide detailed breakdowns as to what each model has over other models? By this I mean, what features does a 90L have over a 91F or 90; or a 61 vs a 66s in terms of standard features, optional extras, etc. (I understand the obvious body style differences, mostly concerned with interior appointments).

     

    Thanks for any insight!