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I must admit, I was very excited when I saw the notification that this thread was getting some attention! Definitely one of my favourite cars on this forum and makes me want to buy a 320 ci '41 Buick sometime soon.
Can't wait to see what all you'll be doing to it. I'll be following with poorly veiled enthusiasm.
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It looks fantastic in the new colour scheme! I am curious if your body man addressed some of the issues regarding water drainage around the rumble seat and if so, what did he do?
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I am also very interested to hear a detailed response in the differences between the marques. It is very hard to find written opinions from individuals who have driven each, and even harder to be one of those individuals.
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3 minutes ago, junkyardjeff said:
I think ot was a 51 or 52 Desoto wagon.
Found it! Thanks
https://www.allpar.com/threads/the-1951-desoto-suburban-long-term-owners-report-of-a-truly-noble-motor-car.236556/-
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6 minutes ago, 8E45E said:
Well, there's this one:
And the guy from Edmonton who aren't afraid to drive their Mopars all over the place, but they aren't wagons.
I have met the Edmonton gentleman a couple times. Amazing Dodge. I would love to do the same hopefully soon. It is neither of these stories, it was written a long time ago.
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19 minutes ago, 30DodgePanel said:
Sounds like an interesting read if we can find it...
Maybe if you could answer a few question to help us recall. Since wagon can mean many different things try giving us a bit more to go off of first.
1.) Was the wagon a woody body style
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2.) Was it a military style panel wagon (ambulance)
3.) Was it a passenger wagon for family (traditional station wagon look)
4.) Was it a power wagon (truck or panel) of any kind
It was a normal passenger wagon. I believe steel bodied, no visible wood. I believe there was a picture imbedded which showed it being quite large.
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I remember reading a couple years ago a story written in period about a man who bought a Mopar wagon of some kind and documented his ownership. I don't remember what brand, but it was a flathead 6 I believe, and was an early 1950's model. He made several modifications to the car over the years, but put an extensive amount of miles towing and road tripping with the family. The story was rather long, several pages worth, with him speaking highly of the vehicle throughout. He was very deliberate to document oil consumption, mileage, mechanical repairs, etc.
If anyone knows where I can find this story, or even the title of the written piece, I would very much appreciate being pointed in that direction, as I would like to read it again for reference.
Apologies for the vagueness, I don't remember many details, but it was quite a distinctive story.
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Anytime someone says "gangster car," quotes the Godfather cannoli scene, or anything remotely about a Thompson. Yes, I agree that some cars can look sinister, but let's just leave it at that.
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On 12/8/2020 at 2:15 PM, Keith Ward said:
Long chassis, original head and standard differential, cruises nicely at 60 to 65 not labouring or over revving, goes like a bomb for such an old car, all systems original and working as expected, smooth and quiet, a good example of the 1930s driving experience. Frame replaced last year, bodywork being restored this and next year (slowly because of Covid difficulties) the car will be restored to good functional condition in preparations for an Alpenfahrt and then a trans America run (work permitting) The car will never be judged, I have no interest in rosettes, See you all when we come over for the trans America.
I would love to see a well-documented trans-America/Canada run! Videos, photos, and all the details. I have long been wanting to do something similar and could use the information for both inspiration and planning. Absolutely wonderful car!
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That does look like it would make an excellent driver. I have always liked the '31's, and the double trunks on this one would make it a good tour car.
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Perfect, thanks everyone! I assumed it was a repro, but I wanted to make sure in case anyone needed one. I figured it was strange there weren't any markings, and it didn't look quite right to my eyes. I'll let them know when I step back in there.
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Hi everyone!
While passing through a local antique store, I came upon what appears very similar to a Hispano-Suiza hood ornament. No markings visible. It is simply tagged as "Antique Hood Ornament, $300" (Canadian) and I did not purchase it. I find it hard to believe an original Hispano stork is here, but I figured I would check anyways. If it is a reproduction, it seems to be a fairly a good one. My apologies for the bad pictures - chrome is awfully hard to photograph with a smartphone.
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On 5/14/2020 at 6:52 AM, alsancle said:
Another Huntington that sold in Paris a ways back. I sort of like the colors.
This car has one of the best classic rally/touring car looks I have seen for a while. The knobby sidewalls, roofrack, and stone guards make me want to long distance tour this over any dirt road I can find. It would be exceptional for a classic France to Africa tour (or any other for that matter)!
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On 12/3/2019 at 1:21 PM, edinmass said:
Let's put it this way........29 & 30 are very close in price and drivability with the 30 definitely a better driver. 1931 is a 25 - 35 percent price premium at minimum. 1932 the eight engines get smaller with introduction of the V-12, but they have a better transmission. Styling from 31 to 32 is completely different. With three different size eights, four different chassis lengths, two different steering boxes, three different carburetors.......there is just too much to cover in a short post. Also, the 31 & 32 cars are much rarer than the 29's and 30's. So here is my choice for all Pierce eights from 1929 to 1932. Twelves NOT included.
1- 1931 Series 42
2-1931 Series 41
3&4 - 1931 Series 43 or 1932 Series 54
5&6 - 1930 Series A and 1930 Series B
7&8 - 1929 Series 133 and Series 143
9 - 1930 Series C
NOTE - All are great cars, and drive better than 90 percent of what was available in their day, the opinion is based on upgrades that make the car better drivers, easier to service, production and survival numbers, parts availability, ect. What have I owned as a perminant keeper in my garage, my "not for sale" cars............1931 Series 42 for 33 years, and a 1932 Series 54 for 12 years. I have owned countless others, but they were all accidental or flip cars that stayed for a short time..........except the all origional 1929 Series 133 that we had for four or five years....which we drove the wheels off, it took us that long to sell it, otherwise it would have been gone sooner.
I would love to get a detailed breakdown about the eights and twelves throughout the years starting from 1929. You Pierce lovers have slowly convinced me this may be the way to go when I purchase a classic. Where can I find detailed year over year improvements and comments on drivability?
I know it will take some time to write out and comment on in detail, but I know there are some of us who would love it!
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9 hours ago, alsancle said:
I said that? It does sound smart!
I was just talking to a friend this morning about this thread and was basically saying the same thing so maybe it was me. Best to learn one or two kinds of car you can be an expert on. There are so many little idiosyncrasies with the different makes and models that you will never get anywhere with an eclectic collection.
I think this is a really great piece of advice. Makes it more likely for individuals to make the right decisions when repairing and restoring, and allows the choices to be as proper as possible. Not to mention it brings out higher quality work, and more likely for an individual to follow through with a project!
Now just to decide what make and series! Do I want to do Packard, or Buick, or Pierce, or Cadillac, or Chrysler, or....
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12 hours ago, Brass is Best said:
Here are a few:
I absolutely love those 1940 Cadillacs! 1939 and 1940 were very good looking cars, especially the coupes in my opinion. That colour is just gorgeous on that car.
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Here are a few shots of a Silver Ghost and a P1 Springfield on the P2P. Would love to do this one day, not necessarily in a Rolls, in any pre-1941 car.
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On 11/20/2019 at 9:20 AM, JRA said:
Interesting question. Keeping a late 1920´s car in good shape, rigorous maintenance and perfect operational condition will make it a great touring car, as it was already stated before. I usually drive my antique cars here in Brazil and, among all my cars, the 1929 Dodge-Brothers, brougham, is the one I consider most perfect for today´s roads and traffic! Very reliable, comfortable and easy to drive. Good speeds on the roads, and safe hydraulic brakes! Easy to park is also a good feature of this car, it is not so big and once it is a closed car, I can lock the doors and go for a walk without concerns.
Julio Albernaz
1926 Studebaker Big Six, sport roadster
1928 Chevrolet National, touring
1929 Dodge-Brothers Six, brougham
1929 Husdon Super Six, sedan
1929 Chrysler 75, roadster
1929 Marmon 78, touring speedster
I find this point really interesting! Out of the cars you have listed in your response, I would have assumed you to pick the Chrysler 75, then probably the Marmon or Hudson in terms of overall drive-ability. Would you be able to comment on the others in relation to your Dodge?
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I thought it would be fun to start a thread showcasing period road trip pictures, or modern pictures of road trips in period style. Let's keep it to pre-1942. We don't often see these cars dirty and being driven hard, so let's see what you have in your archives! Include details if you can, and share your journeys!
Cadillac Carl's 1927 Cadillac, prepped for his trip:
1929 Buick running Peking to Paris
1928 Graham-Paige Model 610 on the Zapp family's round-the-world trip
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1 hour ago, PFitz said:
Well said, Ed and Matt !!!!!!
That should be a printed hand-out to all who are considering buying a pre-war car.
Paul
No kidding! It would save a lot of people frustration and disappointment when their car doesn't work right after they haven't serviced it for 10 years. I find it somewhat amusing that just because it is a pre-war car, many people say "how hard could it be?" with the assumption it is easily understood technology. It would keep many people from purchasing, but the ones who do would be likely fully dedicated going in.
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9 hours ago, edinmass said:
Many people buy a car for some particular reason, then try to make it a good performer on the open road......when the car just doesn’t have “the right stuff”. Since most of us only have one toy, it’s important to do your homework before you pull the trigger and end up with a car that can’t do what you want it to, no matter how much you try. Usually the best deal is the most expensive car you will ever buy........making things right after poor workmanship and low cost restoration work is usually three times more expensive than starting off with thr right car to begin with.
I like these points. Part of the reasoning behind this thread was the desire to have the research done all in one place. I wanted to discuss chassis advantages/disadvantages of particular cars. I also notice you don't refer to a general Marque, because like Cadillac, some are definitely better than others even within the same brand. I wanted to find out the details here, and hopefully be able to narrow it down to a selection of cars that have "the right stuff."
I do intend to purchase the best thing I can afford. I do not see the sense in redoing very expensive body work or paint work if I can find one done very well from the start.
Walt: Thanks for your input. Even in this thread, and around the forum I have come to highly value the people and information about. The precise reason for this thread in particular, was to lure out the most experienced members of this forum and discover their views from behind the wheels and under the hoods of these great classics. I consider this my homework, and hopefully I will get a chance to test drive a few cars in the future.
Bill: I have basically eliminated anything past V12 from my mind. The extra complexity really doesn't lend itself any additional value in my mind. I haven't excluded V12 cars yet, since there are simply so many out there, and can be had in a wide variety of bodies, marques, and prices. I will admit however, the straight eight cars and the Lincoln V8 are the most appealing overall. Condition is very much so a key consideration to my eventual selection.
To everyone: Thank you again for the wonderful feedback and comments. The contributions here and in the PM's I have received are wonderful to read and definitely show the vast knowledge and kindness among this group.
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3 hours ago, edinmass said:
Both those Lincoln’s are what I call .........a car collectors car. Interesting coach work and lines.......not fantastic, but very nice. Build quality is fantastic. Chassis is average, and the power plant is acceptable. Good driver for 40-45 mph without modifications and refinements. They are an excellent value on the dollar spent. They have always been a “hard sell” like Pierce Arrows and a few others, but the collectors in the know buy them and keep them.
Would the chassis be capable of 55 mph touring after being sorted? I have heard they are great drivers, so I would be interested in details regarding their drive-ability and chassis. I would consider overdrive to any car a very possible modification. I too have noticed they are somewhat boring compared to the more extravagant cars of the era, but they have a sincere handsomeness to them that I really like, and seem to be drawn back time and time again, even after I get distracted by the prettier cars.
Regarding Packard 900's, I remember Matt Harwood had a sinister looking black 900 sedan for sale a while back. Really liked that car.
I have also looked into the Buicks, and the 1932/3 90 series cars are quite attractive to my eye.
jrbartlett: I absolutely agree.
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10 minutes ago, edinmass said:
When it comes to we’ll sorted CCCA Classic Cars, most anything you buy is decent. All have one or two faults, NONE are perfect. There are several of the approved cars on the list I wouldn’t own, due to design and performance issues. Some cars are just 40 mph cars, and that’s what they were designed to be. Auburns are great, I am a fan of them, but the fit and finish leaves me cold........but they sure rip down the road when pushed. All things considered, only a few are truly star performers and available at prices the average collector can afford. Many of the legends don’t do it for me.......too many flaws. Notice I haven't called any Marques.......by choice. Some cars are much easier to own than others.........early Cadillac’s are very challenging and beyond most people’s ability to keep going down the road without issues. Drive as many as you can. Try and find cars that have just finished a tour.......they are usually better than most. Just remember one thing............LESS THAN ONE PERCENT ARE CORRECT. LESS THAN ONE PERCENT ARE AS NEW.
This is precisely my attitude towards this. The few full classics near me have things that even I know are not correct. A local Packard 903 that "just finished a complete restoration" had some minor mistakes made, but also some more major oversights that were unfortunate to see on a nice convertible. This kind of work frustrates me, so any car I intend to purchase I will always result to experts (thank god for this forum).
FLYER15015: Tying into edinmass' point, I have great doubt whether a "completed" vehicle is actually sorted. Even those two Lincolns I imagine will need work, and I would rather start with as good of a base as possible, with the majority of the costly work done, so I can just focus on the minor details/corrections.
Buffalowed Bill: In response to your question, I want a car that I love looking at as much as I love driving. The idea of this thread was to find a good combination of luxury, styling, and solid engineering. Often cars that are physically gorgeous are poor to drive, like many of the aerodynamic coupes of the time, which were cramped or even claustrophobic. I like the Lincolns, I just haven't heard much about them. They just happened to be a couple that I picked out from a list of vehicles I find appealing.
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19 minutes ago, Buffalowed Bill said:
From the cars that you initially highlighted it's obvious that you seem to have an affinity for "Classic" cars. The CCCA, and the rest of the car world vetted these cars for a reason. They all have certain objective and subjective qualities that set the cars apart form the rest. They are considered "Classics" for their differences, but also because of their accepted mechanical superiority. In other words all of the boxes have to be checked or they never would have passed muster. It's like trying to choose whether you prefer steak or lobster for dinner. Like you see here, you might talk to twenty car people and get answers all over the board. If you are looking for a simple answer you will be disappointed, because there is no simple answer. Figure out what things appeal to you and ask specific questions. The direction that you have taken will only muddy the waters.
Bill
Thanks for the input Bill. I specifically do not want easy answers. I want to hear as many opinions as possible on the widest variety of vehicles. With the most information possible, I can at least narrow my search, then ask the specific questions as time goes on. I am still in the phase where basic mechanical quirks about certain cars need to be learned before I can really proceed. I like complicated answers, as this is a complicated issue.
1 hour ago, FLYER15015 said:Sharps,
Taking this discussion in total, Both Ed and Matt have given you some good advice, and they are "high end collectors".
Thing is, you need to find a car that really "knocks your socks off" when you first see it.
But in the end, you REALLY need to LOVE the car.
Otherwise, working on it or spending $$$ to have it worked on is not fun, and you will burn out on your project.
Mike in Colorado
This is really the biggest thing for me Mike. I can only do so much looking on Hemmings or various auction pages. I need to get behind the wheel of some of these to figure out what I like. I have fallen in love with some wonderful looking cars in classified ads or on auction pages, but never driven something of the like. I really want to get as much research done beforehand, so I can take the time and wait to purchase something I will really LOVE, instead of a bunch of mediocre vehicles along the way.
Speaking of vehicles I like, I did want to include a link to these two 1931 Lincoln K's. They really caught my eye when I first saw the ads. They are by no means the only vehicles that have caught my eye over the past few years, but they have remained in my mind and seem like they would be good choices for tour cars. My only complaint might be that their interiors aren't as flashy as I might want, but that is really nitpicking. I would be curious to hear opinions about Lincoln K's, and their successors in the KA/KB lines.
https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lincoln/k/2306346.html
https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lincoln/k/2230567.html
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I seem to remember the Series 40's and Series 50's have a ratio 4.10 or higher (4.56?) due to the smaller engine. Maybe someone else can confirm this.