B Jake Moran

So, I am sitting here in my home office and get a 563 area code call. I answer it. "This is Bryan, can I help you." What follows is a long barrage of F bombs, and how I am a piece of s, and what do I know about Pierce Arrows and who am I to provide any advice, shut your mouth..... It wasn't Barbara, it was her husband. He is not on Facebook, so the post was put on hers. Presumptive that I thought she was maybe selling her deceased husband's barn Pierce Arrow but I was nothing but kind in my message to her, even provided my phone number (obviously) After he ranted on calling me every swear word and calling me a true idiot, I explained my side of it and why I offered some advice. I said the swearing and profanity were not necessary. He explained that the car is all original, not a basket case, and was taken to a Pierce Arrow club meet in Illinois some years ago where all of the Pierce Arrow club members glowed over it. He kept reiterating that it was not a basket case like some of the Pierce's. I kind of thought was drinking. Alcohol. I got schooled on how Studebaker bought Pierce Arrow and on and on. Finally I explained why I left my Facebook message to Barbara. He apologized when he heard the back story. This is why we don't reach out to misinformed sellers when we see out of line pricing.

I did reach out to the seller and offered some advice. I also stated I knew someone (through this forum, I don't know Ed personally) who might be able to inform her about what a fair asking price is. Lots of wrongs about the ad such as too few photos, no content to explain.

Marketplace - 1976 Buick Skyhawk | Facebook About This Vehicle Driven 38,592 miles Automatic transmission Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Red Fuel type: Gasoline This vehicle is paid off Seller's Description This is a very rare 1976 buick Skyhawks. Same as chevy monza. It has a 1 year special order full glass roof. All original besides being converted to 5 lug buick wheels. Runs perfectly practically a new car from the 70s. Has 3.8 v6 and automatic transmission. New tires. If interested contact me

Marketplace - 1986 Buick LeSabre · Limited Sedan 4D | Facebook About This Vehicle Driven 83,500 miles Automatic transmission Exterior color: Yellow · Interior color: Tan Fuel type: Gasoline 2 owners Seller's Description V6 automatic AC heat power windows power locks power mirrors new tires runs and drives like new 83,000 original miles comes with safety inspection needs no emissions too old clear second owner Missouri title in hand comes with a temp tag 2850

Marketplace - 1923 pierce arrow | Facebook Seller's Description 1923 pierce arrow 3 owner

Oh you are right. I read it too fast! Sorry!

Disaster in Dearborn. Thomas E Bonsall. Bonsall has written a number of old car books. I have his book on Post War Lincolns as well. Called The Lincoln Story. I am a generalist, not necessarily a Ford guy, but bought The Lincoln Story when I seriously entertained purchasing a 1950 Lincoln convertible for sale locally. Disaster in Dearborn is like a "whodunit" wherein he looks at all of the players and assigns blame or non blame, but leaves the decisioning up to the reader because in the end, as with the Rise and Fall of Packard, or Kaiser Frazer, it does not make sense to assign blame 65 years later. Reading Disaster in Dearborn helped me understand that if I buy an Edsel it will be a 1958 Citation, maybe a Pacer. I have no interest in a 1959-1960. 1959 Edsels were basically Fords with Edsel trim, all of the major players had given up on Edsel - some would say - right away. The Citations are more Mercury, and are very flamboyant. I suspect a #1 condition 1958 Citation convertible is a legitimate $75,000 car. I located a Citation 2 door hardtop in Kansas for sale last spring but the seller ghosted me, never reached out to me. Not sure where that car went.

Like the 54 Super I posted, this one is a nice way to get into the hobby. The undercarriage photos help. The chrome however will never be right. There are 2 choices, good western replacements or rechroming. Rechroming is not practical. That's about $15,000, maybe more in chrome. All of it wasted if the idea is to resell within 5 years. Used to be a couple of salvage yards in Montana that literally crushed hundreds of these perfect western chrome items when he went out of business, retired. In some ways, that is why the hobby needs national clearing houses of parts.

YES! Although my information is often wrong, that data plate is interesting. I do remember a great education Bugle article from Pete Phillips on the 33-34 Buicks and how rarely they are seen.

Seller has reduced price to $15,500. Does show posting as expired, but I got a Facebook messenger update that price was now $15,500.

I'm not sure, but did we not discuss this car previously? Maybe it is a different car. Marketplace - 1923 Buick Roadster 23-44 | Facebook About This Vehicle Driven 25,750 miles Manual transmission Exterior color: Red · Interior color: Black Fuel type: Gasoline This vehicle is paid off Clean title Seller's Description 1923 Buick Roadster. Model 23-44. Straight 6. Wood Spoke Wheels. Complete car, somewhat of a barn find but with an older restoration. Good Top, poor paint. New tires. Turns over but not running. Vacuum fuel pump issues. Clean title. Asking $13,000 Offer and trades considered. Currently buried in garage but can get out for serious buyers. Delivery possible.

John I agree, and do not disagree with others regarding pricing. I'm just cheap, and who is buying these cars? Many of these cars were handed down to sons and daughters after mom and dad drove them, and they beaten into the ground. I used to see many in the local U Pick It Yards. I posted as a curiosity. I think "Centurion" has a Lesabre from this era. The 2 doors Lesabres did have a nice look, but slow sales even then were their downfall. I have owned a silver with black leather 1988 Lesabre T Type, and loved it. But they seem to have disappeared only seen in enthusiast hands now.

John I need to get that book. I have, and have read the Bonsall book, also recommended.

That is a huge deal, a bargain. Typical of what we are seeing though - on this forum - 4 door older cars priced right WILL sell. Overpriced by $10,000 will NOT. As for the spotlight, it's got to go, like a silly "Continental Kit" on the back of an old car, it was an accessory none of us want. I would remove and plug with a rubberized piece over the hole. Inside and out. Not worth trying to "patch".

I've seen a lot of that. Cars from the 40's through about 1980 were BIG. But 2 of my last 3 houses, one with a garage built in 1947 and the other house had an attached "garage" when built in 1954, could not fit my modern Toyota Tacoma truck and never a 60's era Cadillac. Why build a garage if it can not fit a car?

I am NO 1963 Ford expert so would like the intelligentsia to comment here. 1st, I looked at a 1963 Fastback Galaxie 500 in similar, slightly worse condition about 3 years ago and the knowledge on here said keep looking. I just don't see many of these. I am partial to Ford, Mercury and Pontiacs of this early 60's era, and NOT the Chevy SS's which they want $10,000 for an incomplete rust bucket where all the SS parts have been stripped. 2. Those do not look like the cool original "shell" style buckets to me, but they would need recovered anyway. Do you folks agree? 3. Is it truly a floor shift 3 speed? If so, that I have never seen. But I see what looks like a 3 on the tree shifter and I don't see a clutch pedal. 4. If it IS a 3 speed car, with factory buckets and console, (or could be returned to factory buckets) then I would swap out the 352 for a massaged 390 - or just bore out the 352, put a bunch of speed parts internally and throw 390 badges on it, not for the purpose of deception for resale but for my own ownership interest. Anyway, thought it might be an interesting "Not Mine" post but might be a dud. Matt Harwood has some great 61-64's on this website for sale. In a way, I must admit I like the 63's. 64's too, but 63's hit my sweet spot.

Marketplace - 1963 Ford Galaxie | Facebook Seller's Description 1963 Ford Galaxie 500 hardtop. Factory 352/3 Speed Cruise-O-Matic. Ram and drove when parked in 2017 before pulling the gas tank and intake. Little to no rust, super solid car. Clean title in hand. Great project that wouldn’t take a whole lot to be road worthy again

(1) Marketplace - 1954 Chrysler New Yorker Sedan 4D | Facebook About This Vehicle Driven 65,700 miles Automatic transmission Exterior color: Grey · Interior color: Green Fuel type: Gasoline Good condition Clean title This vehicle has no significant damage or problems. Seller's Description 1954 Chrysler New Yorker Deluxe with original 1st. generation 331 4bbl Hemi. Runs well. Drives and stops but has transmission leak and needs exhaust. Extra transmission goes with it.

(1) Marketplace - 1973 Lincoln Mark IV | Facebook bout This Vehicle Driven 79,000 miles Automatic transmission Exterior color: Blue · Interior color: Blue Fuel type: Gasoline 3+ owners This vehicle is paid off Seller's Description Condition Used - Fair 73 Lincoln Mark IV 79000 Miles everything on this car works including the 8track player New: tires Gas tank and straps Master cylinder Battery

It is a 67.

Yes I know they didn’t have a Starfire in 1953. I would get the 98 convertible.

My take is that the Starfires to get are 1955 and 1956 with the 1953 as 3rd choice. The grille and side treatment is not as refined and attractive on the 54. 55 is a nice year. Check out the 55 Buick Century convertible I posted in the Not Mine Buick section. You could get that for $11,000 or half of this price. Virtually all 50s convertible projects will have rust issues to deal with.

Note the last price adjustment down to $14,000 and likely sold for ? $12,500 or so. Just speculation but not an $18,000 car like the seller was hoping for.

These are becoming extinct. I posted because as 2nd or 3rd or fill in the blank in a collection, I would own one, or a LeSabre. This one has been cleaned up by this dealer, detailed. No way is it a nearly $9,000 car. The dealer will likely wholesale it in the spring. It is a dealer that usually has Corvettes and such for sale for too much money. I would buy it for $2,000. If a person seriously was looking for one, a nationwide search over a few months would likely find a few one or 2 owner 1986 to 1991 Park Avenues/LeSabres that would be equally as nice or better.

I agree it's not a favorite color combination. I don't mind the body color choice and it is not one I have seen often on 54 Buicks. Interior not so much. It does look like the windshield is tinted. I was disappointed by no photos of the engine bay. I always think that is a bit suspicious. But I can't get over the price. $10,000 for any 1954 car, let alone a Buick Super, with 19,000 (probably) original miles?? And cash talks, a guy could probably bring $8,000 cash and the seller would say "OK". Soft market, and going into winter.