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  1. If I measured the battery brackets to the frame could that be of help. I don't know if Dodge had different battery holders. My 1917 screenside the battery container was gone rusted just about 4 inches of the supports bolted to the frame was left they had bolted some wood to hold the battery in place with bailing wire it was a farm truck. I'm going to have to get another battery holder when I get to that point of the restoration or copy the one in the 1919 it is in good condition.
  2. My 1917 screenside had one on it when I found it in 1979. It was a farm truck the farmer's didn't add extra parts so I would think it was installed by the factory but it's hard to say.
  3. Pictures of battery box and with battery cover, floor right and left side fit is nice took patterns off old floor drivers side was worn down into the wood with no gray linoleum covering at the driver feet.
  4. Interesting my 19's frame number is 352694 and my frame number on the 17 is 159389 it would be nice to have a time machine to go back in time. Whats is the frame number on the 19 that has one plate on the bottom of the frame. My 17 is a screenside that I thought was on a touring frame because production was before factory production of the commercial vehicles in October 1917 but I'm now thinking all frames were the same they had a weak point in this area but because of high demand they used parts that were on hand to keep production moving. When commercial vehicles started production the u shape insert was installed to reinforce this weak area later years the frame was changed to be stronger. Battery box rear of box is bolted on the top of cross member between frames on the front of the battery box the top mount is bolted under the top of the u shape frame on the bottom mount it is on the top of the bottom u shape frame. Hope pictures might help
  5. Yes I also do believe this was a weak point in the frame later models this was replaced by a u shape insert that fit inside the original frame to prevent the top of the frame from cracking my passenger side that does not have a reinforcement the top and is cracked I have had it welded up, my 1919 touring has the u shape insert on both sides and has no cracks in the original frame. The reason for this question is I have a screenside that the body I believe is sitting on a touring frame why nobody knows DB started productionon on the screensides in October 1917 but my frame number shows my production date between June 2 or 3 1917 and all the screensides I heard of has the 2 u shape inserts so trying to find out when DB made the changes no records of it.
  6. Area that I'm talking about a person might see the rivets on the bottom of frame. First two pictures are driver side with single plate on bottom of frame, next two are passenger side with no plate
  7. I think each person has their own way but something I didn't do is take pictures a lot of pictures mark everything and don't use a pencil you won't be able to see what you wrote over time it fades. The condition of the vehicle makes a difference maybe only one to two problems to get it running or you want it show condition in today's world their are books that you can get to help catalog your progress and make notes as you start the disassembly. Join the DB Club members who have the same vehicle can be a help and the AACA forums can also be a great help. Good luck post pictures so we can see your progress.
  8. Sorry not sure where to measure for the frame cross beam at engine to cross beam in rear is 122 inches. Dash is a stock goggle box dash with no extra cut out for the steering column, gas tank is under seat with bottom braces for support, rear gas tank brackets has upper tank brackets riveted to frame with no straps to hold tank, no rubber mount on the front springs or rear springs, ignition is delco with a G-1 starter generator, from cab to top of windshield post is 25 1/2 inches my 1919 touring is 24 inches also It has a rod across top front of window with canvas that goes between roof and top of front window, rear springs are 7 with tapered rounded ends (I saw a 1917 touring with the same springs that is why I think I'm sitting on a touring frame) frame number 159389 I know the history to 1921 and nothing has been changed to this vehicle so what ever was done was before 1921. Sorry for the pictures the vehicle was taken apart for the move from Oregon to Charlotte but here is when first found yes the farmer changed wheels but still had the original wooden in a barn and what it is at now I've been working on the engine never rebuilt a engine like this one. What I have seems all parts seem to be in tolerance with DB production for a touring but why the screenside body I had people look at the parts and say it is a production vehicle. Picture of when it was found is to big to send maybe I can to your email but here is where I'm now on the restoration
  9. A very unusual request--- I have a 1917 DB commercial car (screenside) that I believe is sitting on a touring frame, my frame has has a single plate (13 inch long) on the driver side of the frame on the bottom with nothing on the passenger side. I'm asking for you to look at your frame inside along where the driver and passenger sits this is where the reinforcement was installed. Some vehicles have a single plate and some have a insert u shape that fits inside the original frame. Please let me know year, model and reinforcement you have. I have a 1917 DB screenside that I've been told its a factory production but I think its sits on a touring frame production with frame number is June 3 1917 DB didn't start production on commercial vehicles till October 1917 --- yes makes no sense your opinions are also welcome.
  10. I guess since it was on the screenside and I'm trying to keep it all original or trying to keep the same parts as I found it George Farrell has it now for rebuilding if you see him ask him how its going --- no when he gets it done that will be fine with me I'm finding out they weren't used very long. Enjoy next week
  11. Would that also have something to do with the G-1 starter/generator. Gil Belcher told me that all screensides he has ever seen had a G starter/generator so with other parts I bought a rebuilt G starter/generator but find out I have a G-1 starter/generator. The distributor and carb I also pulled out of the wooden crate so come next week I'll be looking at both. I've put together some vehicles in my life but to be honest this one is causing me to get gray hair.
  12. I don't know its in a big wooden freight chest and alot stuff is on top I'll get into it tomorrow and let you know its where I put items I don't want to get broken. Our cowls are very different mine up to about 4 inches from the rear of the door is the same as a touring in fact I just looked at mine and its the same as the 1919 touring same stamping this would cut cost down same part for more than one vehicle
  13. Very interesting the door post is a separate stamping so yours is just a post with no hinge stamping in it I can understand this it would be cheaper to produce. I don't understand no numbers on the firewall unless it was just produced for the Army but still you need numbers to have inventory. Yours does seem more like a truck than mine I do believe for some reason my body was set on a touring frame but when I look at pictures of other screensides I have all they have the roll down side canvas that goes over the screens was still their not much left of it and the straps to hold it rolled up are still their this is something that if someone was to put it this together wouldn't put on only the factory would. My next question won't be answered until the dash goes in my dash has the goggle box so it doesn't have the large cut out to change the height of the steering column. I also have the tool box (bottom is rotten) it was mounted on the running board passenger side something that I don't think would be done unless by factory. Here is where I'm at engine has all pistons, cam and valves installed, oil pan is ready to be installed have a rebuilt g starter/generator that I was told all screensides have but this vehicle has to be different I have the G-1 and in poor condition so I sent to to New York to George Farrell he's going to try and rebuild it. Frame crack has been welded up sandblasted and has final coat of black on it the suspension parts have been sandblasted and waiting for final paint. I have the delco distributor so not looking forward in taking it on. When I get the frame done I'll send you some pictures
  14. This add is my commercial car but the frame only has a 13 1/2 inch plate riveted to the bottom of the u shape frame at the driver side and nothing on the passenger side some of the later commercial cars this is a u shape extra part inserted inside the original frame also riveted but much longer and also the same on the passenger side. This single plate only on the driver side with no plate on the passenger side I've seen on a 1917 touring car frame. I've been told Dodge didn't start production on the commercial vehicles till October 1917 and so far no records that any were built for the Army but with frame no# 159389 production shows around June 3 1917. I have had a few people say that this is possibly a prototype for Dodge to show at vehicle events to show their new line of commercial vehicles this I don't know. I do know history to 1921 and nothing has been changed on this vehicle in fact the frame had a crack in the upper u shape on the passenger side right across from the support plate area on the driver side. This vehicle was a delivery vehicle for a dairy farm along the Rogue River in Southern Oregon. Maybe I should start a new post asking people to check the reinforced area on their frames from 1917 to 1918 to see how they have changed my 1919 touring has the reinforced u shape on both sides of the frame.
  15. MY numbers are Frame #159389, engine and trans same number #210285, differential #169045 with cab #38843