Andy Copeland

Hello all I have decided that this project should continue with someone else. Dedicating time to my family and other interests come before this so it is for sale. included in the sale is all and everything relating to this project including spare parts and literature. Only some pictured here in this thread the price is $3500AUD ONO Large parts are Studebaker President chassis sandblasted and primed with id tag x1 (comes with chassis stand) studebaker president 8 engines x2 studebaker 8 (later engine) x1 president gearbox disassembled x1 President diff disassembled and all bolts/parts individually bagged x1 later studebaker diff x 1 President front end including original brakes x1 chev brakes to suit front end x2 President steering column x1 Radiator x1 Wheels and hubs can be sold seperate upon negation. kind regards Andy Copeland

@Touts Hi Frank congratulations on your purchase do you mind me asking how much you paid? I haven't really looked for any engine builders yet. Where i can i'll do all other mechanical work myself. If you go down the path of engine rebuilding I'd be very keen to know where you soured your engine parts. I know i will need new pistons, rings, all new bearings, timing wheels and a distributor. keep in touch!

Thanks would you mind sharing a picture of it? I anticipated water jet cutting one from thick steel.

I have been unable to find any studebaker president drums i have purchased what what I think is a early (42) chev truck front end. Anyone know what it’s specifically from. The brakes are 5 lug with a internal id of 14”. They are hydraulic two shoe. I antisipate using everything except the axle and hubs. Using the king pin and some thicker bushes in the spindle it might fit the studebaker front end.

My immediate challenge is to fit front brakes and modify to hydraulic. the car came with all brakes and rear drums but missing front drums. I am having a very difficult time finding front drums to suit! I was optimistic I would be able to find new truck drums close to size and machine to suit but have been unable to find anything close to the 13.6” internal diameter. i am now considering buying large diameter hydraulic 1940’s front truck drums and spindles. Option 1, fit the spindle to the studebaker axles Option 2, modify the brake backing plate to suit the studebaker spindle. Gary Ash your pictures on this method are encouraging. Any recommendations for commonly avaliable big brakes. I’m currently looking at chev maple leaf trucks & ford 2 tonne trucks. or do you know of some studebaker president front drums and hubs?

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After I taking a extended break I am now back into the studebaker. I have now spent my time cleaning all diff brake and wheel components so I can assess the parts and plan the next move This is is the first time using molasses and am very pleased with the results allowing 1 week to soak, blast with high pressure water and a wire brush. Here are some before shots:

Thanks they do appear to be too small. The measure I’m looking for is from inside diameter

Do the drums look similar to these? Internal measure about 13.7”? I’m looking to buy studebaker drums only.

Wanted to buy. studebaker president drum brake wheel shoes & hubs. should measure about 13.7” internal diameter. I will consider any drum drum about this size as I could adapt to suit. Do you know of any new brake drum measuring around 13.7” ID? Pictured are rears. Fronts should be the same with different center. i am in Australia but can organise shipping all my end to avoid any hassle for you kind regards Andy

Do you do this often? Im currently looking for studebaker president 1928 parts.

Could be Oakland. Here is a Oakland diff, similar but not identical.

Complete diff in Victoria, Australia i am not sure what it suits. Please let me know if you know what this is from. Brake internals are all there. All linkages move and function. Axles turn and diff center appears to be in good condition. I am in Ferntree Gully. Happy to send this interstate & worldwide. Price- $200.

Thanks Gary I’m onto that parts book right now! I recently bought an owners manual which covers several studebaker models that’s a good resource as to the parts I am missing. If this is something you must have sing out as I would trade it for parts.

As this is a speedster build I have moved my content to the speedster forum. Please continue to follow along here:

Hi John great to hear of other presidents in Australia. What is your estimate of registered presidents in Aus. Yours looks really nice congratulations, I am going to paint mine red as well. I’ll be sure to look into the Aus register as its good to make contact with like minded people close by. I dont have have any other President parts, I only have limited running gear and a chassis. Details for someone who could cast drums locally would be wonderfull. If you have an opportunity please also share some photos of the front brakes. Cheers Andy

I have shifted this discussion to the speedsters forum now so please follow along there. i am looking to buy front brake drums with hubs to spindles to suit a President.

Hi Gary - it was great following your build! My engines are: FB 2518 - Engine with all internals that came with the chassis. I will most likely use this but it has very rusty water jackets. A hot tank clean and intrusive inspection will determine my next steps. FE 13407 spare empty dummy block I bought for $1. This is in great condition and could be a candidate to use if needed. I’m yet to investigate interchangeability from FB to FE engines. i will have some questions for you in the new year about new replacement engine parts (egge). I do know I need to find a new crank fibre gear as mine has a chipped tooth. For those interested in side water jacket plates I might be making tooling to reproduce the water plates as mine is badly corroded. Good to hear your thoughts on the hubs. i still need to find some President front brake drums so I can determine how I will best fit the front hubs. Do you know of any? Or possibly new light trucks that have the same Internal diameter that could be cut and modified? At this early stage I anticipate using the rear hubs that bolt to the brake drum. This will require filling existing holes & redrilling to match the original stud pattern. yes, the hubs do have a spring locking mechanism. The serated profile let’s the tooth lift and click into the notches as you tighten. To loosen you lift the locking tooth held down by a spring. This is great however I do love the racey look of Nock offs which may lead to a simple modification of my caps. The weights are: Cap = 1kg Front non braked hub = 3.2kg Rear axle braked hub = 4.65kg Please excuse the metric.

Here are some pictures. I have managed to get quite the selection of hubs in a short amount of time. Hope these pictures help you understand the budd wheels Al Craig, I have plenty of hubs for now thankyou for the offer. it’s a complete wheel I need for now. Ed, yes I have already extensively read his website and posts here as well.

The solid disk wheels looked great and a point of difference but I did want to go to a larger diameter if I had the opportunity to. I am now fortunate to have three budd #3 25” wire wheels in great condition but they came without centre hubs. These wire wheels appear to be commonly used on studebaker light 6’s exported to Australia so I managed to track down some spares. I purchased two smaller diameter wheels and 8 centre hubs all with threaded caps to suit. Then intention is to try find another 25” rim to complete the set. Alternatively follow the costly route to build a new wheel. the message here is if you have a 25” budd wheel I’m looking to buy or trade!!

Thanks for the kind words guys. No need for a radiator..... yet

Hi Paul yes me too. The top was the pick of the bunch hens all the dimensions. next step is to rough out in card to get a idea of shape then go from there

With clear side profile photos i was able to crudely draw the frame and wheels to scale so i can start playing with proportions. I dont like the bulbous shape of the 1930 Indy 500 cars. I am considering developing a shape and style cues similar to 1920's and earlier styled European cars like the Bugatti type 35 and the 1932 ALFA ROMEO MONZA. As the Studebaker has a long wheelbase I have referenced a favourite car of mine is the 1917 Fiat Botafogo which has similar proportions. This will act as my base for now and i will tweak the lines from there through hand sketches Below i have drawn the frame and wheels & engine roughly to correct scale with the fiat body over. I have then made further tweaks to the body lines.