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  1. well towards the back of the head. In pretty much the dead center there is a brass plug.   You can remove that,  put in a straightened coat hanger or welding rod of something, and then us a bar and socket to turn the engine over. Measure the stroke from top dead center to bottom dead center..   4 1/4"  sort of nails it.  You  can also 

    check a few thing..  On the oil filler side, of course there is a serial number stamped on the top front corner. A picture of that and I can tell you if its a factory stamp or

    was added later when a block was replaced.  then down by the plan close to the oil filler you will see a date code cast into the block.  then at the same level but back

    further towards the back of the engine will be a part number.  Not near as important but up higher and usually in front of the oil filler there will be a clock and a shift code in there which will tell us what time of the day was when the block was casted.

     

    If I had that it would be easier for me to tell you what you have.    Ther date codes are not in anything close to a standard format.  They were for internal use really.   Here is a 1950 Desoto block which I just happen to have pictures of.  What was interesting about it, was if it was a USA car with the Canadian 25 1/2" engine it would be a 238 ci motor, but this one was  sold in Canada with a Canadian engine and it is a 250 ci motor.  It was a car that had since new been in one family but many had told them the engine was guaranteed a 238.  When I pulled the engine pulled the pan and head, it was standard bore, standard bearings  and 1 under rod bearings.  Add to it the factory stamp (notice they are all in a perfect line)  which all pointed to this was the original engine and never been apart.   It was showing 78,003  miles on the odometer and I am sure that was all original.

     

    in the glove box was the maintenance records for the car since brand new, and even had date, number of gallons (then later litres) of gas and what the price was

    for every gallon of fuel ever put into it.

     

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  2. On 6/18/2019 at 5:50 PM, keithb7 said:

    Hi folks. It turns out I have a Mopar D54-xxxxx SN engine here. 25” long block. Made in Canada. 4 ½” stroke. Have not had the head off yet but I’d wager its got a 3 ⅜” bore. Netting 228 ci. Likely came from a 1955 Dodge Royal or similar Canadian car. 

     

    Most replacement engine parts listings are for American built Mopar engines. I am having trouble locating engine parts lists for my 228. 

     

    Internet research tells me Chryco only offered the 25” block. They changed bore and stroke to accomodate power needs for each application. They got the same block down to a 201 ci, and as large as a 265 ci.  I suspect distributor, cap, rotor, points, condenser, stuff may be the same accross the Canadian line up from around 52 to 55 in the 6 cylinder flat head offerings. 

     

    Can anyone help with confirming this or straightening me out on this?  For example Bernbaum lists tons of parts for mass produced American Mopar engines. I don’t see parts listed for the Canadian 228 engine. Thanks. 

     

    Keith

    HI keith -   I don't have a 1955 Dodge Shop Manual or Engineering Manual handy but that engine was used 1st in the 1930s in Desoto and Chrysler,  then came out for the 2nd round in 1949.  I have a 1949 Plymouth Business Coupe that my Great Aunt bought brand new from Wellington Motors in Guelph Ontario Canada. It had a 228 in it.  It was also available in Dodge cars and Dodge /Fargo pickups up to 1955 or 1956.   

     

    I will attach you a sheet of the Dodge / Fargo truck manual to should you the bore and stroke etc.

     

    But to your question,    the 25 1/2" engines  that are 218 (not the 217 ci 23 1/2" block but the Canadian 25 1/2" engine) 238ci,  250 (some call 251),  and 265 engines

    all will have interchangeable  distributor, cap, rotor, points, condensers...   plus many other thing like water pumps.  With the notation that your right in the time frame where

    there were internal bypass heads.   Those would have a little bump on the front of the block and head.

     

    Happy to help, but I am rarely on this site.   You can get me at fargopickupking@yahoo.com 

     

    Tim Kingsbury

     

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  3. Hi Guys -  I am very familiar with Dannys project and he got parts (for free) from me for his, and actually is now working on a 1936 Dodge.   All of the ones I put up are 1936 Fargos they are not 1937.  He had to use a 1935 hood and stretch it to make his and yes it was quite a project.  It is not the only one around although I have heard that quote.  My family has one that I still have the original bill of sale for. My Grandfather was the GM of the Windsor engine plant so I am not speculating. I have the original engineering books for it and on and on.  The 1936 is absolutely a model on to its own and the 4 horizontal bars in the center section is the key.  The blue one spineyhill, your correct, it has not a 1/2 ton it is a 1 ton and you will notice the front windshield has square top corners and the cab is different.   That one is the 3rd one off the line.    It indeed has the headlights on the fenders which

    are never seen in a 1936 fargo pickup and I would have said was a different year, until my Dad and I saw a 3 ton in a field in Saskatchewan in 2004 and it had the lights on the fenders.  The gentleman whose field it was sitting in, we talked with. He had the original bill of sale, manuals etc, he just couldnt bring himself to part with it.  It was the square

    front window.  On the two you posted Spinneyhill... The rat rod was a survivor truck in Winnipeg.  It was up for sale on Kijiji for $5000  and subsequently moved to the states, has moved hands more than once and  sadly is not much more than parts. The other one is Danny Ks.  You are right 36dcoupe that the restoration on the cream 1936 has used some things as he couldnt find certain things,  just like Danny did.   The guages are black and not cream, obviously the fog lights are add ones.  But honestly that truck is absolutely beautiful  and we would love to have it added to the family collection which stands at over 100 fargos and dodge trucks. The red one its 100% a 1936 that I can bet the farm on. 

     

    On the original post I am not sure.. I never did hear from him, but I do know I was contacted by a gentleman from western canada who has one.  He doesnt want

    pictures posted or his name out in the public.    His actually has a 1936 overdrive in it, something funny enough Danny K was talking to me recently about

    one he acquired and wanted it gone over and I believe he wants it for his 1936 dodge.   The one out west, his Dad got the overdrive out of a chrysler during WW2 time frame

    and put it in the pickup.  The engine and tranny for that truck is coming to my place shortly as he wants it rebuild front to back.  

     

    They are out there.. While there was under 900 1/2 ton pickups made there were several thousand made when you factor in heavier that 1/2 tons.   While a lot of parts are different, there are parts from the heavier ones that do work in pickups. For example the gauges are the same as is the grill and hood, although headlights are not.

     

     

     

     

  4. On 8/13/2017 at 8:05 AM, 36 D2 Coupe said:

    The cab on the truck in this picture is almost certainly a custom fabrication as it looks nothing at all like a stock Fargo 1/2 ton. I can't tell from the wheels but it may be a 1-1.5 ton truck in which case maybe the cab is correct.

    Actually it isn't a half ton truck and it was the grill I was trying to draw attention to.  Just for information I will attach pictures of 3 more 1936 Fargos.  All of which I have seen personally and can guarantee are 1936 fargos,  not recreations, and 1 of which has been in my family since brand new.  Im not speculating on the Fargo line, my Grandfather was the GM of the Windsor Engine plant, when it opened in 1935 producing the engines for the Chrysler, Desoto car lines  as well as all Canada Dodge, Fargo and Plymouths, with the exception of convertibles which had 23 1/2" motors in them.   He bought a brand new 1936 Fargo, and bought a brand new 1956 Fargo which he bought for my Mother's 18th birthday.  I apologize for being so long to respond. I honestly didn't realize there had been a post on the thread.

     

    Tim Kingsbury

    fargopickupking@yahoo.com

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  5. This would be a 1936 Fargo.   It has absolutely nothing in common with the 1937 Plymouth from the USA, sorry guys. The Engine plant  opened in Windsor Ontario Canada

    in 1935, producing the 25 1/2"  flathead engine and went into the 1936 Model Year Chryslers, Desotos,  Canadian Plymouth and Dodge cars (except convertibles) as well as Dodge trucks and the introduction of the Fargo Truck line.     Unfortunately the 1936 Fargo is a unit on to its own. Our 1936 Canadian Dodge is different as is our 1937 Fargo. If you would like some information I can provide you a fair amount of information.  The picture attached is not the one my Family owns but this one will give you the key tell tale sign which is the front grill.

     

    Tim Kingsbury

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