Chuck56R

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  1. On April 29, 2016 at 8:34 PM, MrEarl said:

    I already put your name on them, (but don't feel at all obligated, you just figure out just which direction you're going)  after all it was due to your and my mutual interest in these old school 3 speed parts that got me to drag them off the shelf of the barn and get them out here so someone can enjoy them.

    Believe me I have ground a few, mostly old Chevy Muncies and never thought twice about chancing a blown clutch if it meant beating a Ford or Dodge or Olds or Pontiac or Plymouth. Remind me to tell you the story though of when a 4 door Century beat me in my 57 Chevy in a half mile run.... a life changing event for sure. 

    I need to be looking into what these pieces are worth these days. I paid too much for some, got some deals on others and was even given a couple. I just want them to be appreciated for what they are and USED. So no big hurry.

    Mr Earl, thanks for working with me on the  bell housing and flywheel.  Had a large family gathering at my place over the weekend so not much happened with the 322 removal from the 56R. I'm still quite sure I want to put a 3 speed in my old pickup, I found an early 60's Warner T85 3 speed last week out of a Pontiac (one of my swapping buddies was holding out on me) supposed to be very strong and helical cut gears so pretty quiet too. Do you know anything about the T85?


  2. 2Carb40, great information on the Cadillac / LaSalle gear boxes.  Having an old Cadillac 3 speed in my project truck would be amazing, both for performance, cool factor, and being able out BS the rest of the Rat Rod/Patina crowd!!

    To shift topics a bit, I have a line on a T85 3 speed out of an early 60's Pontiac, anybody know anything about these?  Supposed to be very strong and helical cut gears so quiet too. 


  3. 1 minute ago, Chuck56R said:

    Yes Please!!  Wow, we gotta talk soon - let me know what you want for a 264 bell housing and 322 flywheel.  I already have a stock 1950 Chev truck 3 speed column shifter with the shift linkage(s) that I think I can modify to work.  I might need to reconsider the saginaw vs. Buick 3 speed, better for the occasional burnout.....

    Oh yea, to respond to your earlier post; If you can't find 'em, grind 'em!!  What's the fun of owning something that doesn't see an occasional clutch dump in the greater pursuit of blowing the doors off of one of those little rice rocket tuner cars.

     

    It's kinda like cruising in the mid-70's with an M21 Muncie behind a big block Chev (or Buick GS, or Olds W30, or Pontiac HO), it's not a matter of if but when it's gonna leave a pile of parts and a puddle where the trans used to be!!  I may need to graduate to the Buick "M22 Rock Crusher" 3 speed!!


  4. 1 hour ago, MrEarl said:

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    Yes Please!!  Wow, we gotta talk soon - let me know what you want for a 264 bell housing and 322 flywheel.  I already have a stock 1950 Chev truck 3 speed column shifter with the shift linkage(s) that I think I can modify to work.  I might need to reconsider the saginaw vs. Buick 3 speed, better for the occasional burnout.....


  5. 3 hours ago, MrEarl said:

     

     I already suggested a bulletproof six bolt to him Greg, I think he is stuck on a 60s Saginaw , something about parts availability :wacko:  With a 6 bolt he wouldn't need parts eh? And besides why do you need parts if you know how to drive a stick. Just jerkin your chain Chuck, jus jerkin ya chain:D 

     

    the tail on that one looks short Greg, what is it out of? 

     

    20 hours ago, 2carb40 said:

    Maybe one like this would work for ya?IMG_20160427_142037.jpg

    I like the look of this trans, already setup for an open drive line.  Educate me, is it compatible with a standard GM slip yoke or is it a Buick or BOP specific item?  I have 2 saginaws now and was planning on a simple bearings, syncro's, & seals refresh on one of them which is about $100 in parts.  Let me know how much you want for this box and I may have to consider a chnage in direction.


  6. I'm most likely going to put a GM 8.5 diff in the '52 pickup and I do already have 2 Saginaw 3 speeds with different 1st & 2nd gear ratios.  The Saginaw yoke setup will be much easier to use with an open drive line and not hard to find a replacement trans if I have any issues. 

    And yes grand kids!!  I was born when Dwight D. was still in the White House!  


  7. On 4/25/2016 at 11:58 AM, MrEarl said:

    According to Willie in your other Want to Buy thread, you may not need this. But, If you end up using either one of these, the 264 one would be the way to go as the 322 3 spd bellhousings are getting scarce and expensive when you do find one. Trying to get out to the barn to dig.

     

    I was admiring your Authorized Buick Service shirt and noticed the Yuengling Lager, glad to see you can get a good Pennsylvania beer in Georgia!  Yes, I think the 264 bell housing will work great where I have to do some machine work on it anyway, no sense cutting up a 322 bell housing for the same purpose.  I'm guessing there are a lot more 264 bell housings out there because the bulk of the 3 speed cars were Specials and pre-55 cars that came with the 264 and standard trans.   

    The first 2 pics below are the '55 Super in the midst of the rear suspension upgrade.  The second 2 are what it looked like when I drove it home, good solid car with 4 minor rust holes that required small hand made patch panels.  

    My grandfather's '52 Chev came home last night, surface rust only - floor and cab are solid.  Bed is very straight, only minor dings in the tailgate.  Can't wait for a little Nailhead torque and a couple of my grandkids in the cab with me!!

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  8. Thanks for the info.  Looked at the Offy adapters, found several for 322 to Ford transmission but nothing for a 322 to GM trans.  I think it's going to be easier for my application to modify a 264 bell housing than stack the Offy to Ford to GM adapters.  I found some information that says that the 4 bolt pattern on the 264 bell housing is very close to the GM saginaw 3 speed, might need to drill and tap the 2 lower holes on the bell housing and slot the upper mounting holes on the saginaw trans ears slightly to get everything to bolt up.  I think half the fun of "Cool" when it comes to using an old Nailhead and a mix matched drive train is scrounging the parts and getting it all to roll down the road together!!


  9. On 4/25/2016 at 9:43 AM, old-tank said:

    Search Offenhauser adapters to find something like this:  CLICK

     I adapted an early ford transmission to a 264 with a different adapter, used Buick flywheel drilled for ford clutch, bought pilot bearing adapter from Russ Martin.   If you are going to modify maybe start with the Offy adapter?

    Thanks for the info.  Looked at the Offy adapters, found several for 322 to Ford transmission but nothing for a 322 to GM trans.  I think it's going to be easier for my application to modify a 264 bell housing than stack the Offy to Ford to GM adapters.  I found some information that says that the 4 bolt pattern on the 264 bell housing is very close to the GM saginaw 3 speed, might need to drill and tap the 2 lower holes on the bell housing and slot the upper mounting holes on the saginaw trans ears slightly to get everything to bolt up.  I think half the fun of "Cool" when it comes to using an old Nailhead and a mix matched drive train is scrounging the parts and getting it all to roll down the road together!!

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  10. 13 hours ago, MrEarl said:

    Difference in bellhousings

     

     5 bolt transmission bell housing from 264, note the 2 lower mount bolt holes. The casting was made the same but drilled differently

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    6 bolt bellshousing from 322, note that the bolt is lower than the 5 bolt bellhousing

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    and on the front, there is a hole on the 5 bolt/264 bellhousing

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    but not on the 322/6 bolt bellhousing. again, note that the casting numbers are the same.

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    Will try and dig into my pile tomorrow and see what I have Chuck.

     

     

     

     

    Great pics and explanation.  So for my application I can make either work given that I will need to do some machine work to open the center input shaft hole, drill and tap to match the later saginaw trans, etc.  If you have a spare throw out bearing fork that would be great too.  This is a bit like Christmas, looking forward to seeing what parts emerge from your stash!!  Thanks, Chuck


  11. Mr Earl, when you say 5 vs 6 bolt tranny are you talking original mid 50's Buick 3 speeds for the torque tube differential?  The bell housing pictured in the reply above looks very close to the later Saginaw bolt pattern for an open drive line.  Is the bellhousing to engine bolt pattern the same for 264/322?  Again, thanks for your time and the information. 


  12. 2 hours ago, MrEarl said:

    So you have the tranmission already, and it is a 6 bolt top? I likely have what you are looking for, will try and dig in my pile tomorrow.

     

    the only one I see on Russels site is for a 5 bolt tranny / 264 engine

     

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    I have a good running 322 nailhead that came out of my '55 Super.  I'll be using a late 60's or early 70's Saginaw 3 speed so I'll have to do some machine work on the bell housing to match the trans bearing retainer. Thanks for the help. 


  13. 13 hours ago, MrEarl said:

     

    The 322's came with a heavy duty 6 bolt top transmission and the 264 a lighter 5 bolt. The bell housings are different as well as the flywheels. I have some spare 322 3 speed stuff and can probably help, will look see. Considering your user name, you must have a Super, what year. You may want to introduce yourself up in the General forum :)

     

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  14. Hello, my name is Paul Dinsdale proud owner of a 55 Super 2 door hdtop in the process of restoration.  I also have a 52 Chev pickup that was purchased new by my grandfather, soon to be powered by a 322 nailhead.  Hopefully I will be able to find a few parts and meet a few more Buick die hards. 

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