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  1. My son and I are wrapping up a fun 2+ year project... we bought a 1975 Hurst Olds that had been stored inside for 31 years and have gradually revived it. It's a Black 455/T-Top/Swivel bucket seat car in #3 condition. The car runs and drives great (47 degree air-conditioning!) and will be for sale shortly. It's a great 10 footer but suffers from a mediocre respray done in 1986 or so, some misfitting Hurst-only interior pieces and some mildly pitted chrome. Haggerty estimates a #3 car to be about $17,500 and I've seen beautiful ones hit $35k at several Mecum auctions. I feel ours will be a $17.5k car. It would be a great ice-cream/picnic/cruise car as-is or a solid foundation for someone that wants to take it to the next level. (I have a Grand National winning '78 Mercury Marquis and a '68 Rambler American with a Junior, so I'm somewhat aware of the car's current condition and possibilities.) Do you think it's worth offering it in the Hershey car corral? We go every year but are normally only there Friday & Saturday. I'd assume I should aim to arrive at least sunrise on Thursday, but maybe Wednesday is a better idea? I'd trailer it from Pittsburgh to be certain I had a ride home. Can I preregister? Do I need to make the August 15 deadline? Any pointers for a successful venture? Thanks much!
  2. I think it was above the waterline. Look at the white one in the top picture, it looks like the same white one just below and to the left of the gray SUV. Then, still in the top picture, look to the left side of the image where you can see the top deck of the boat. Looks like the boat was laying on its left side with a crud line that runs right down the middle. The crud was underwater. The gray SUV would have been above the water.
  3. Thanks for the battery notes! I do need to remove the modern sticker from the top. I also need to put Post-it notes on numerous pages of my brochures and service manuals to be respectful of the team’s time. The rectangular caps are included in a few incidental images and illustrations... I’d have thought round caps too! The “factory documentation” is a great standard.
  4. This little girl is going to Gettysburg! Bias plies were mounted today and that wraps up a string of little improvements... so happy for the AACA events to give me the initiative to finish the car to a higher standard!
  5. Thank you Mark! This will be the first time the little '68 has been shown anywhere. My uncle deserves 95% of the credit as he's the one that did the restoration on it. It was his mom's car from new (my grandmother's) so sentimental reasons beat economic rationale and the simple little car got quite a makeover. That being said, though my 80 year old uncle has been working on cars since the 1950's, it is an "amateur" restoration done to his (high) standards but not exactly to the AACA's. Thanks for the guidance on tires... I think I need to find some 695x14's!
  6. I am trying to improve the “as it left the factory” appearance on my 1968 Rambler American for Class Judging at Hershey and the 195/70R14’s radials on the car aren’t cutting it! My owner’s manual says 6.45x14 or 6.95x14’s were originally fitted to the 6-cylinder cars. Would these F70-14’s be an acceptable tire? The guidebook says letter-series tires are acceptable from 1967 on. Seller is describing these as “Coker” tires if that adds any clarification. Thanks for any insights! I know tires can have lots of subtle differences that justifiably impact scoring and I want to make sure these would be in compliance.
  7. Mark, That’s a fantastically helpful response. If it weren’t for the undercoating I don’t think there would be a car for us to discuss! I sincerely appreciate the care and consistency of AACA judging and I think the many responses above embody the numerous perspectives necessary to develop and maintain a fair system. Your checklist is spot on for me. The car makes an amazing first impression (if I do say so myself!) and I’d like it to appear just as nice under closer scrutiny... mostly to honor my uncle’s work. I’ll get it registered and open a can of elbow grease. I hope to see you in Hershey! Greg
  8. Again, if I were trying to “fool” anybody I don’t think I’d be using the AACA’s forum, my own name, and including photos of my car! I am attempting to ascertain if the car’s undercoating would have an outsized impact on Class Judging results. While “Ziebart isn’t factory undercoating”, the availability of factory undercoating should reduce any chassis deductions the car might face. My car doesn’t have original paint either. If my car were repainted Plum Crazy purple I’d expect a large deduction for non-factory color. However, had Rambler offered that hue (can you imagine!) then the car could very well be represented as it left the factory. Since undercoating was a factory option (and not a dealer afterthought) some of the tar could be typical of a car rolling off the assembly line. Now, that doesn’t account for the door plugs, but it should give the car a fighting chance to overcome the rust proofing. Thank you for the idea to print the Judging Sheets and and dollar values to the potential deductions. I had already printed the sheets but the cost impact is a great strategy to target my efforts. I’m most appreciative of the “do your research” recommendations. Thanks to all for the guidance!
  9. 1968 Rambler brochure lists “Undercoating” as an available factory option. 😁
  10. I was thinking of sanding the logos off and dusting them with white paint! Labeling steel belted radials as bias plies, or placing a brochure in the trunk to cover an unsightly wear mark is hiding and I agree it’s no good for the hobby. What your suggesting isn’t entirely different than repairing rust... it’s an effort to minimize a flaw so the car better represents its factory appearance. Thanks for the idea! (If I really wanted to hide something, I wouldn’t have posted it on the Judging page!)
  11. Mr. Hinson, I appreciate your critique! I agree wholeheartedly with each point. I’m also optimistic that these are all easily addressed with a bit of time, attention, and a few bucks. I’m inclined to pursue entering, but would welcome any concerns/opinions contrary to that idea. Please keep them coming! Greg
  12. It does have plugs, but the black ones aren’t as harsh to my eye as the yellow ones. Underneath is so-so. I can pressure wash it and get the grime off but I don’t think there will be a need for any quick-detailer on the floorboards. I’ll see what I can learn about the availability of factory undercoating but the plugs plainly say Ziebart.
  13. Thank you for the many perspectives, I truly appreciate them! For being the guy that owns the car, and having memories of washing it at age 10 when Grandma would visit, I’m remarkably unfamiliar with this little American! Uncle Car-Guy spent years redoing the car in his retirement as other projects kept cutting in line. I regularly asked about “Princess” (no one knows how she got that name) and would gently mention that I loved how the car had never left our family and I’d be honored to be her next caretaker. My uncle called late last summer. His memory was failing and he was unable to finish the car. I pulled a trailer 4 hours to his house. The lack of a battery made it apparent the little Rambler wouldn’t be driving onto the trailer, but a cursory inspection revealed an amazingly complete car... probably 95% done. Nobody knew what 5% he hadn’t finished. He firmly refused the envelope of cash I offered... which as many of you can appreciate was more than the car is likely worth to anyone else but just a fraction of the value of his work. An old Rambler friend fostered it for me for a few months, carefully identifying what was missing and locating appropriate bits and pieces. It needed upholstery and when we realized the Automatic transmission had internal issues I think we slipped from 95% done to 90% done! By mid October it was roadworthy and I put some shakedown miles on it. Sent it back to my friend for “a few weeks” over the winter and the virus and parts delays turned that into fetching the car in June. So far I’ve seen and driven the car very little... but I’d like to get the car from 97% to nearly 100%. Class Judging would inspire me to source the battery hold down, proper hose clamps & radiator cap, tend to some other under hood and trunk details... and really finish my uncle’s efforts with dignity. It’s just a little Rambler, but it means so much more. I’ll appreciate any other insights to the impact of undercoating on judging. I would not be inclined to tow the car from Pittsburgh to Hershey if the consensus is there is little hope for a decent assessment. I certainly wouldn’t be bitter... I’d never think of adding undercoating to a show car... but it’s what I have to work with. My wife and I and our 3 kids will be there either way... we haven’t missed Hershey in 20 years!
  14. Matthew, Thank you. I’d agree HPOF isn’t a choice as the car is totally restored, not highly preserved. I guess I should scour the sample judging sheets and try to ascertain what sort of point deduction would result from the undercoating. Growing up in western Pennsylvania, it seemed to me every car had that stuff applied and it’s basically there forever. Combined with a “one knee” view, maybe it wouldn’t be a major setback? I was hoping for a clearer answer but I appreciate it’s no simple question. I realize a fresh coat can cover a multitude of sins and, if acceptable, would lower the quality of cars in Class Judging. Thanks again!
  15. I have a ‘68 Rambler American that my grandmother bought new. It’s never left our family. My uncle did an amazing job restoring the car but it has undercoating that wasn’t applied at the factory. I’m tempted to enter the car at Hershey this fall, but will the undercoating have an outsized impact on the car’s score? The rest of the car is beautiful (not as nice as my Grand National winning Marquis that was my dad’s, but beautiful), but I’m unsure about the undercoating. My uncle never intended his efforts to be judged but I think the judges will be pleased (aside from the undercoating). Any opinions? Thank you!
  16. That “460” is actually a 462 per the Marti report. I think ‘68 was the first year for the 460. Either way, neat car!
  17. Local weather says it quits by 10:00am... hopefully cars don’t get too splashed up in order to make the showfield on time!
  18. If this was a dealer conversion though, it wouldn’t be “as it left the factory”. But it’s really cool!
  19. I saw a ‘66 Mercury Cyclone GT Indianapolis 500 Pace Car edition sold for $82,000... seems like great big money for one of those! (I own one). It had been light modified with a 5-Speed and air conditioner...did anyone see what made it so special to bring that big money?
  20. I think I’ve never seen a finer collection of cars than what I saw yesterday... and the event hosted by John Kuhns Jr. was a great match for them! From this participant’s perspective, it was an extraordinary well-done event. We had a blast... thank you!
  21. Thanks Steve! I appreciate the information because I really don’t want to be “that guy” plugging up Saturday’s lines because I don’t know what I’m doing!
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