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Gasoline and oil are of course carbon based. The carbon molecules are modified and adapted to make the gas and oil you are familiar with. Clear liquids.
When the gas and oil is inside the engine it is heated, cooled, squeezed, splashed, burned and contaminated with stuff.
This action can change the complex carbon molecules into elemental carbon. (Coal, charcoal, etc). Solid, insoluble and sticky. The sticky sludge that is found stuck to valve covers, cast iron surfaces AND oil passages.
Carbon that is still in solution can be removed by draining the oil. Carbon that is stuck to the inside of an engine you don’t want to disturb. If it is stuck there, hopefully it will stay there.
If you try chemicals or solvents to “loosen it up” you will not get it back in solution such that it can be drained but rather you will unstick the solid muck and then it WILL plug up oil passages.
If the engine runs well, leave it. If you know or suspect that there is a lot of sludge (“coal particles”) then the only safe reliable way to remove it is to pull the oil pan, valve covers, etc and physically scrape it out and clean everything up.
Yup a horrible messy job but there is no other way. The dirtier it is (historically poor maintenance) then you wind up doing intensive tear downs.
And if you are doing that much tear down, then you “might as well rebuild it” and a simple cleaning becomes an expensive project and down the rabbit hole you go.
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Trade for a pontoon boat (?).
Hummmmmmm……what are the two best days in a 1940 Plymouth owner’s life? 🤔-
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Listing no longer exists (?)
”You may recognize this car from the movie, my car looks just like it”. 😳
As if being a movie car adds anything, but looking just like the car in the movie…..? What could that possibly be worth? 😔
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Looks like the script says “Sierra” and it has the mini fins, I’m thinking it’s a Custom Sierra(?).
Which according to the brochure above is V8 only.
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1 minute ago, JACK M said:
I did notice that. But no mention of what engine
56 Dodge. Beyond carburetion. I don’t think there were any engine choices.
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Criticize all you want but hey folks the seller is asking $500!!!!
It’s a 56 Mopar wagon. (not a sedan) these things don’t grow on trees.
YES it’s a parts car. If I had a 55-6 Dodge Plymouth wagon I would probably be heading there right now.
$500!!!! Guys this is 25-30 year old pricing. No you aren’t going to restore it, but if you are working on one you would not regret buying it.
And BTW nobody noticed that it’s a STICK! (Maybe even overdrive?) Yeah shifter delete on the dashboard. All the parts to put third pedal in your project.
$500 ! (not the typical $2000 asking) Get off your high horses, this is a bargain full of rare parts.
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2 hours ago, ak said:
Not every car warrants a body off, ground up pebble beach restoration. Assuming that the doors are not falling off and the wood is stable, any car guy dad could enjoy fixing up that great car with his kids and proudly driving it around with them and his bride. It would be the talk of every town.
Yes, this is a great idea and the ideal way to enjoy the car hobby but not with this car in 2024.
In 1960 you could do exactly as you describe above but back then parts and services were readily available for this type of car. Sadly today that time has passed.
Rebuilding that motor is not possible at most machine shops today. Who knows how to work with pouring Babbitt ? Machining a multi piece block? Pistons, rings, other parts are either nonexistent or require special manufacturing and cost. That engine is probably a $20,000 - $30,000 job. At a shop that does ancient engines.
Generator, water pump etc are not cheap. It needs missing parts (headlights are obvious) they are not going to be cheap or readily available. Again this is the 21st century.
Then after you have spent $50,000 (wood, paint upholstery) to make it “shiny” where are you going to take it?
You haven’t spent the $150,000 plus to make it a near 100 point car. While sad to say if you take it to a gathering of Full Classic cars your amateur restoration efforts are more likely to be derided than celebrated. (Sadly)
If you take it to a local show it will get attention, but few people will understand or appreciate the Herculean effort that you put into it doing the work on your own. “Don’t they make kits to restore these? They do for my Mustang and my Chevy”.
Touring might be fun (did you do the mechanics 1000%?) but it’s a 45-50 mph car. You don’t drive it to the tour. It needs a truck & trailer to get it there. Again more money.
21st century….. if you want a car to restore in your garage with the kids, on a realistic budget? Then you are back at the 50s- 60s popular production cars. Or if you want a 30s car you get a Model A.
This Packard will take serious skills and money. To not be in possession of both will quickly become a story of frustration, anger, resentment and abandonment. Again, it’s not 1960 anymore.-
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1 hour ago, Fossil said:
Maybe it's just me but these don't seem to attract a lot of attention.
No it’s lots of people who feel that way.
Not well known or understood is that from 52-55 Lincoln had abandoned the luxury segment to Cadillac. (Realistically how could you compete with that juggernaut?).
Lincolns target class at this time was Buick and Oldsmobile. (This is well discussed in the Special Interest Autos article). So today they just aren’t that special.
Years ago a friend summed up the 52-55 Lincoln’s as nothing but “heavy duty Fords”. I think he was right.
Now for 1956 Lincoln finally stepped up to take a swing at Cadillac. By 1958 they were directly competing excess to excess.
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Looking at the seat covers and the general original condition, I’m thinking that it was a long parked garage car probably in nice condition that just needed a good wake up. Maybe an estate sale 20+ years ago purchased by someone who was going fix it up and started by dismantling the underhood.
Inexperienced, no tools or space, they eventually lost their parking space and moved it into outdoor storage “for just a couple of months” that turned into 20 years.
Likely they had visions of making money or driving an interesting car. Now they have nothing.
Very hard to do, but they should have rehomed it when they lost their indoor storage but that would have necessitated selling it for less than they thought that it was worth. Instead they have paid 20 years of storage trying to hold onto a dream.
”If I can’t get what I know it’s worth, dammit I’ll just keep it!”
Guess we have all been there in one form or another.
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1 hour ago, JamesR said:
The styling and condition of the seats would suggest that they might be original.
They are. The term used at the time was “single seat”.
All cars and pickups had bench seats. Only heavy duty OTR type trucks would have a single type drivers seat.-
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Sedan Deliveries typically come in only two conditions - Modified & custom or too beat up to want to bother with. This one doesn't look too bad. Comes with good/better engine and new wiring. This might be a good project for someone.
NOT MINE I have no interest in the sale of this 1953 Courier.
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/cto/d/azusa-1953-ford-courier-sedan-delivery/7712235619.html
1953 Ford Courier Sedan Delivery. Good body, just a little rust in lower front fender. Car has been rewired with original style loom, new chrome, brakes, clutch. Original flathead V8 motor is there, but smokes. I have another flathead on an engine stand that should be runner that is included. (new oil pump and comes with a new gasket set) Original Ford bucket seats with forward tilt passenger seat, a sedan-delivery-only option. It is a good project car, perfect for a business. Selling because I lost my shop space.
$8000 OBO.
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The interior is 100% upholstery shop, and there are no pictures of the under hood area, but a six cylinder stick shift is a RARE convertible combination (especially in a Ford)
No he isn't going to have people lining up with cash in hand and no, is he isn't going to trade it for a 57 Chevy or 58 Impala, but hey its just as unlikely that you are going to find a excellent condition, very popular convertible for sale minutes from your home for less than $5000. . . . .
NOT MINE I have no interest in the sale of this 1962 Sunliner with an unusual drive train.
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/cto/d/hacienda-heights-1962-ford-galaxy-500/7714392766.html
1962 Galaxy 500 Convertible all original 3 on three on tree 6 cylinder. Upgraded with new paint, interior, convertible top, stereo system. Runs great.
Would consider trade for 57 Chevy Bel Air, 58 Impala, or 57 Chevy 3100 - No projects please.
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Well below $10k so of course it does not run and has been parked. Includes title.
Lots of pictures not taken inside some dark barn. Best offer, probably willing to negotiate to end storage bill.
NOT MINE. I have no interest in the sale of the 1950 Nash Ambassador.
https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/d/adelanto-1950-nash-ambassador/7713796790.html
Selling my very rare 1950 Nash Ambassador. The car is fully complete and all original. I have extra parts for it in the trunk and all of the original hub caps. Car is pretty solid with no signs of major rust. Car has been sitting for over 10 years Does Not Run, Must Be Towed . Car is out of the DMV system so there are no back fees. Pink In Hand, Clean Title !! $3500 OBO, No Trades, No Trades, No Trades.
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It is a 1957.
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3 hours ago, 1912Staver said:
Other than the DeSoto grill it does not look like much of the Monarch specific stuff is missing.
6 hours ago, theconvertibleguy said:Well I'm far from a Monarch expert so no idea what's original or not in it so there's that? Hence why I posted.
Nosed, decked, spinner wheelcovers, etc. . . . . .
THIS is what a correct and detailed 1951 Monarch looks like. https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0119-1951-monarch-convertible/720803
Study the close up photos, Canadian cars have a lot of trim and details that are irreplaceable.
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Take a rare Canadian variant, then customize it by removing most all of the unique Canadian trim, (including the stock grille) then customize it further and you have a car that was probably well liked by the owner (estate sale) but now is something that has limited appeal (just to the guy who customized it?) and you ask why it hasn’t sold?
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Driven from the speedometer gear. When car exceeds 28 mph, it grounds the wire.
When the wire is grounded it closes the relay and sends power to the solenoid.
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16 hours ago, John_S_in_Penna said:
It's a nice looking car in an appealing color
3 hours ago, Fossil said:I do know that this is a very nice car to look at.
We were previously discussing the differences between 1957 and 1958.
It’s easy to look at a 1957 Ford.
Not so much for a 1958 Ford.-
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1 hour ago, Gearheadengineer said:
I don’t know about the Mercs but my ‘65 Galaxie (similar platform) does not have a cross-flow radiator.
Correct. The difference between Ford and Mercury.
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No. It’s much more than “rough running”. This is a reproduction distributor (original pot metal distributors literally shatter)
So it is functioning properly.
The car falls off when accelerating and sometimes acts like the throttle plate is stuck partially closed. it isn’t.
I know that the real problem is the darn Johnson carburetor. Barely functional when new impossible 9 decades later.
I was actually looking for a tachometer reading to compare when the acceleration stopped.
I have basically given up and will have to engineer and fabricate a downdraft manifold. A few others have done that and they report good results.
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1 hour ago, theconvertibleguy said:
I wonder if it's because that era of tbird is the ugly duckling of the first few versions?
No it’s because of the costs of the parts and labor.
A car is only worth what it is worth based on make, model & body style. But the cost of things doesn’t matter what kind of car it is.
I did a 1966 Mercury Parklane convertible. Rebuilding the motor transmission brakes, suspension was $10,000
convertible top was $2,500. Bumpers were $1,800 (4 pieces). Paint estimates were $20,000 to $25,000. I found a Carcoa who did it for $8,000. (Far from a show quality job, easy to find flaws but its shiny and looks nice)
Reproduction items (weather stripping etc) and I have $25,000 in the restoration! MY LABOR.
I did not need the interior thankfully.
This Bird has more chrome, looks like a better paint job, new interior and the restoration easily exceeds $30,000. Assuming that it has a lot of owner (free) labor. If it was shop labor then the bill should be $50,000, maybe $75,000.
Someone once told me “If you want a new car, it’s going to cost as much as a new car “. This has been a consistent way to estimate how much it will cost to fix up an old car. What are the sticker prices on a new one?
These numbers can be applied to most any production American car after WWII. The restoration costs are consistent regardless of the body style. This is why people only restore special cars (convertibles) because they allow you to recover a higher percentage of the money spent. (But the days of restoring for profit are long gone).
And this is why the old timers around here always tell you to spend the money up front and get a car that is done. Doing a restoration can be fun and rewarding emotionally but NEVER financially.
$25,000 $30,000 or more for a done car is wayyyyy better than getting the $2,500 car that needs everything. Even if you have to take a loan to buy the finished car, the interest you pay will be cheaper than paying for the restoration.-
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The coach builder is National
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Mechanics, paint, interior, top, chrome….. unless the work was really bad/cheap that’s the cost of the restoration. You get the car for free.
At $40,000 American he is losing money.
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6 minutes ago, 7th Son said:
Why can't there be at least an even mix of asking prices, low, intermediate,high, and ridiculous?
We all welcome you to scan CL. Facebook and any local ads that you are aware of and post cars of interest and cars that meet your criteria so that we can all enjoy them! 🤗
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'69 Mustang "six" - valve and ring job?
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You didn’t ask specifically about valve seals you asked about a “less than 100% engine repair”.
Yeah, sure you have the tools, it’s your car do as you wish. The difference between those shade tree jobs we did in our youth and more quality and complete rebuilds that are done today is “expectations”.
As a poor kid with a worthless car that we fixed for the main purpose of making it functional for our limited transportation needs (and having fun with our buddies) a slipshod job was fine.
Was your old flathead perfect? No. Chances are after the repair it still smoked (a little) maybe you could hear some rod noise (especially when it was cold) and almost certainly the oil pressure was low.
But who cared. It was shot when you started, you made it a little better (at least) you had a lot of fun and you learned a lot about fixing cars. Mission accomplished.
Those shade tree repairs were a long time ago. You are a different person today. If you invested the time and labor into a sub optimal repair today and the engine performed in a sub optimal manner would you still be as satisfied as you were decades ago?
The only reason to do suboptimal repairs is to save money. Are you counting pennies today like you did back then?
1982 I was 25 years old, returning to college and broke. I needed a car. I was given a 1966 Fairlane 2 door sedan stripper zero options. 200 six 3 speed. Couple of badly burned valves. Over a weekend I did a ring and valve job. I borrowed money to have the head done. I put in rings and ignored the bearings. I didn’t even look at the timing chain.
I ended up with an engine that “ran” and it did get me where I needed to go for almost 2 years. BUT the rods rattled every time it went uphill and the oil light came on at idle. I used thick oil.
Did it work when I was poor? Absolutely! Was it a lot of sweat and effort for a little improvement? Certainly. Would I do that today? NEVER!
Today I’m an old man I have money and doing hard labor is not as quick or easy as it was decades ago. Today it’s much “cheaper” for me to do it properly once (spend the money) and when it’s done, it’s done.
BTW a full (professional) rebuild on a 200 six isn’t that expensive.
If you think about it you will probably arrive at the same conclusion.