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@PFitz wrote to me suggesting that Franklin never made gray mats - that they were all black, and what is seen these days is faded black, rather than being gray. I have sandblasted more than half of the metal transmission cover (until the nozzle wore out on the free sandblaster I was given) and didn't see any gray yet - just rust and black, but was planning to try and chip some of the remaining black to see if it had gray under it as the drawing suggests it was supposed to be. I've written to several different places recommended about olde paint colors to see if anyone knows what color Duco Gray 2443131 (or Duco 244834 mentioned in a preceding drawing (#31362)) might have been, but so far the replies are all "we don't have records of that". I do have most, but not all of the original Transmission Cover Escutcheon #33627 left - it's meant to be "Delbee Gray Non Blooming Rubber", and I ground into that and it certainly seems to have originally been gray. Roger

Kind of related to this... http://www.leagle.com/decision/194121838FSupp180_1162/McNAMARA v. POWELL MUFFLER CO. Roger

André Do you mean carpet or rubber mat? Roger

Sorry - to clarify this - it's drawing 31548 which includes 33540 and 35510 on the website, and then becomes 37894 also a separate drawing on the website Roger

I'm looking for a filter for the Gascolator on my 1926 Franklin Series 11A car - I have the frame of the filter, but the chamois that is supposed to cover the frame and be the filtering material is long gone. Or alternatively, does anyone know what thickness chamois might have been on there originally? I can probably get those rivets out and replace the chamois and re-rivet what I've got too. Thanks Roger

So if you buy enough of them to make a muffler, is there a plan/diagram that shows which pieces have holes, which don't etc etc Here's the Patent that was awarded for the muffler with some diagrams https://www.google.com/patents/US1735789 And another one https://www.google.com/patents/US1800354 Roger

Yes, Jeff has the felt valve pads - $45 a set - I spoke to him just a couple of days ago about them, amongst other things - like a nice new shiny Vehicle data plate (the plate on the firewall that the serial number is on) - he has them for $50. Roger

I posted drawing 33540 - it is on the club website.

So to wrap this up now... In sandblasting the transmission cover I didn't find any grey paint on it, and I've been told by a Franklin expert that despite what the drawings call for - the Gray Duco 2443131 - Franklin never actually painted the cover gray or used gray mats - cars that today are still original have black paint on the transmission cover and black mats. So the drawings while it's great that they still exist, aren't always right. The much easier black it is :-) Roger

Is the pipe entirely flat as it's laying on the ground? Or is it in effect twisted at the top of the arch? Where are you located? I've attached here the drawing for the 11A pipe to show - is this what you have? Secondly who is the "well known custom exhaust component supplier" - I've been pondering getting the quite new, but mickey mouse exhaust on my car replaced and found a couple of places offering to make them. If you're happy that they can make something correct from a drawing, even if they can't make it without the drawing maybe I can send them what I need... Roger

A question about a saggy frame - has anyone seen this Franklin kit in action on a car? Better yet - has anyone had this fitted on a car and then removed the brackets because they finally put a new frame in the car and so had the brackets left over? If anyone has said brackets I'd be more than interested in acquiring them - ought to be easier than trying to make them myself...

Re the Muffler - André Audette posted on Facebook a while ago about the possibility of having some made out of stainless to the original drawings... I don't know how many of us need to want one before it would be feasible to go ahead and have them made, but leave a note there if it's of interest to you (and you have access to Facebook of course) Roger

Yes, I found that - only in black it seems. There are some places selling a few different designs in Gray too that I have found - in the UK as I linked above, and in the US. So unless something else startling reveals itself I am thinking I'll get some Gray rubber and then match the paint on the transmission cover to that - probably easier than trying to match transmission cover and painting the rubber to some mythical 90 year old Duco colour. Roger

Since the new forum software update, neither of the computers that I use regularly will remember me. It seems like a cookie is being set that has a short (a few hours?) expiration time, and I have to log in almost every time I visit. This is new behaviour - prior to the update I had stayed logged in for days or weeks or months even. Looking at the Cookies set by aaca.org I see a couple that expire 3 months from now and some that seem to expire about the time I logged in. Interestingly they're set using the dd/mm/yyyy date format? Roger

The parts book calls it the "Front Rubber Floor Mat" and the drawing says it was to be purchased from the "Ohio Rubber and Textile Co. Detroit Mich" and specifies it be Rubber "Color to match Duco 2443131" Roger

Thanks to Dean who sent me the drawing numbers by eMail. Here they are here for future reference of anyone 43489 - Installation Of Reinforcement For Chassis Sill 43490 - Wood Sill Truss Cable Assembly 43491 - Wood Sill Truss Anchor Plate Front 43492 - Wood Sill Truss Bracket Front 43493 - Wood Sill Truss Bracket Rear Left 43494 - Wood Sill Truss Bracket Rear Right 43495 - Wood Sill Anchor Plate Rear 43645 - Woodsill Cable Turn Buckle 31235 - Side Sill Assembly Left 31236 - Side Sill Member Note that you need to be a Member of the H H Franklin Club to be able to access these drawings in the Members section of the website - but that alone is worth the $35 a year!! Roger

Sadly no - it's either rusted or seemingly replaced by black at some stage. Yes, that's what I have assumed from what the drawings say, and the floorboards have the black paint on them still, but of course no sign of what would be a now 90 year old rubber mat. Thanks - I hadn't heard of Tremclad. I did find a source for gray rubber matting, but it was UK based, so not exactly cheap, https://www.vintagecarparts.co.uk/categories/vintage-car-parts-rubber-and-sponge-parts-sheet-matting but there are also suppliers in the US it seems. Thanks! Roger

Does anyone know of a resource that might help in telling us the modern day name of olde paint colours? My 1926 Franklin has a metal stamping that forms the centre part of the front floorboard - it sits over the gearbox and on each side supports the wooden footboards that reach from there to the left and right side of the body. The factory drawing for it calls for it to be "Special Duco Gray 2443131" And then the rubber floor mat that went around this, but didn't cover it, is specified to be "Color to match Duco 2443131" The floorboards were to be "One coat Everjet Black", but it seems like they were going for a gray finished look with the rubber mat and gearbox cover. So - any ideas on just what gray 2443131 might have been? Or doesn't it matter because I have zero chance of buying gray rubber matting? Roger

Interesting - that result, and this other one I found are both Australian results - similar, but not the same as the Ross Courtney terminals mentioned above. https://scoresby.awm.mmem.com.au/lxplx705.html?rl=1 Roger

Thanks - that's it. I'd figured out "head", but silly Google could have told me "oval" when I searched for "O Head cap screw" ;-) Thanks! Roger

Ahh - never thought to look at patents for it - so it's what I would call a Cup Washer... https://www.amazon.com/Cup-Washers-Direct-Hardware/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=n%3A323585011%2Cp_6%3AA3UQHZQRKAM5ZS Thanks! Roger

A couple of questions about the screws and washers that were used originally to hold the floorboards in my Franklin Series 11A. This diagram is from the parts manual. I've put an arrow to the screw and washer, and then indicated those items in the listing of parts. Does anyone know: What is an "O H cap screw" (item #1) ? What is a "Willard washer" (item #2) ? Thanks Roger

Interesting discussion. I guess 90 years ago Franklin were confused too - here's the engineering drawing for the wires that go from the fuse box on the firewall to the headlights - the left end goes in to the headlight, the right end has these "shoelace eyelet" terminals and goes on the fuse box. Roger

Thanks Tom - I've pored over that catalogue, and a number of others from the likes of Brillman, YNZ to no avail - nothing the same as these ones has shown up. Roger

David - whatever image you posted here isn't showing up for me... Roger