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I just wanted to say I personally appreciated the extra effort the club made to have an advanced judging school. It's always important to refresh the basics, but recognizing the difference between refreshing and teaching of those basics allowed for a little more in depth and it felt more valuable as a use of my time. Thanks for putting that together!

The inspection is just to verify VIN right? That shouldn't be hard with the car on a trailer. Here in PA they accept rubbings of a VIN... does Georgia? I was there in 2010 getting my car done... so 1985 was 25 years old, I guess that's where i got the number from. But at the time the people I talked to said they wouldn't issue a title for my 1983. Though irrelevant for a 1929.

When I lived in Ga any car over 25 years old they refused to issue a title for. I moved there from PA, though I didn't have any title issues with my cars. When I moved back to PA, PA took my registration as good nuff to reregister in PA. So what I would think to do is see if GA will register the car to you with just a bill of sale. Have the bill of sale just say the year and VIN. Keep the title so it's not just out there floating around, but I think that would be the cleanest way to do it. Of course, always best to consult an attorney on the matter for anything of value.

Looking forward to seeing everyone's cars! I believe this marks my 10th year of judging and loving it. The Gettysburg location really is great for AACA for each of the events they've held in the past.

For those of us not fortunate enough to be retired, one of the biggest challenges is the judging school. Frankly I work on Saturday's too, so in order to judge I generally am taking two days off work, one for the event, and a 2nd day just for the judging school. I can't quite say it feels worthy of a vacation day (CJEs are awesome though, but sometimes we're able to have those the morning of the event so not as big of a challenge). It would be wonderful if we could do an online training for the annual judging school requirement. Like other online classes you can have the quizzes be required to pass, and even if someone where to just click play and walk away, passing the quizzes would be more involved than the folks I see nodding off during judging school sometimes 😉 I'm willing to help put this all together as well. Just not sure how to get the conversation going with those in charge to get it approved. But we'd have plenty of time to have it ready for 2024. Then each year you can just reedit for the updates.

Yeah I saw a separate measure for dual points. The problem was that was always reading closed. That's when i did the individual readings and isolated which point was giving the problem. There was also a measure in the book for doing it this way. Just not sure why the one point seems always closed.

Okay, so forgive me for being younger here, I haven't done much more than basic point replacement, never diag... I'm trying to help out out an older friend with his '57 Vette. He's having some mobility challenges and I'm feeling like I'm missing something obvious. The car was driven into his shed a few years ago and we're trying to get it fired up. It's tight parking so he's not able to get back in the shed to look at things. Had some fuel issues which I've resolved but now we're on to spark. The motor is a later drop in.. I think he said it's a 400, but my understanding these distributors are used in sorta across the range for Chevy. Hooking up a dwell meter and blocking the forward pointing point it reads normal. You can see a slip of paper in the picture. Blocking the rear point or doing nothing leads to the dwell meter staying all the way forward. Admittedly I haven't done the obvious of adjusting the points at all.. but the car was driven in so I didn't think that they would have been so far out of adjustment to not gap at all. Looking at the picture, the adjustment set screw seems about half way as well. Is there anything else that could cause this point to always be connecting? He's owned the car coming up on 60 years and I'm enjoying getting it tuned up with him and learning more.. just figure it's something obvious that we're missing that for one of you "old timers" would be obvious with a quick glance.

I know you can get drop in bed liners from the factory, frankly they're better for folks who do landscaping work as mulch and junk slide out better than with spray in (which also can be factory ordered today). The newer stuff generally has a digital file that exists somewhere... I'd be looking for "order guides" that list all the options and option code a dealer could use to build a factory order. Once you identify that the accessory exists then you have to determine that what you have is the factory one (although frankly I think that would be secondary... a judge would really have to know it's wrong to take points off if you show the accessory existed). Example for the future... Ford spray in bed liners have a Ford logo at the front of the bed, while when done aftermarket the Ford logo will be missing. "most" trucks do not get ordered with any bed liner so the owner can choose which style they want. If you had got a Ford truck from me when I sold them, I'd of used a Factory drop in bed liner but aftermarket for spray on. You would have to find or make the Ford logo and have that added to "restore" what a factory bed liner would look like... and someone out there is just as smart about the GM stuff. Find an old commercial sales person or parts person who has been in the dealership for 30+ years. They're out there. (it sounds like you've done this for the drop in liner... get them to print you out a parts diagram if they can)

So like many, I need a real vacation. I've been to Phoenix when I was in the Army but would love to visit with my family but it's a bit of a haul from PA. I see the dates are "new" and wasn't sure how set in stone they were and what size event the region is expecting. Would be going as a judge but of course to enjoy the car show and surrounding area as well. Anyone have any sneak peaks on this stuff?

Would be sorta cool to have an unofficial tour through Hershey just to say it happened.

Judging is quite a bit of fun, I recommend everyone try it out at least at some point! Then go over your own car and see if you find anything you think might be questionable and be ready. Anything you know is unusual for the time it doesn't hurt to point out the the judges and say "this is correct, here is the documents". We on the judging team will not take that as any sort of insult! Just speak with the team captain.

I saw more masks on than what I see inside some stores. I think in general folks did a good job being respectful of the situation and the wishes of the club. Huge props to the leadership that made it happen. You could not tell the show was going to be somewhere else as of a month ago.

I think it's too broad a range for "professionals" to exist. Not enough transactions to have a profitable company structure. To pay someone what it's worth for them to be a subject matter expert on any given car would be cost prohibitive, and to pay for less wouldn't be a good value for you.

I didn't realize they made more than one either but I guess it makes sense for a motorcade. I am pretty sure the Henry Ford has one, as I think I remember Truman's car being one of several presidential cars on exhibit there.

Well my hats always off to you folks who run the CJE classes. It's one of the things I honestly look forward to most and it's hard to pick which one to take. The knowledge is always so impressive so thank you!

Yep number 25! Not bad for a 37 year old. Still learning so much each time. I was hoping to take advantage of the double CJE points this year, but I'm just excited we'll still be able to have these shows at all.

Welcome! We'll be looking forward to hearing about you and your machines!

Great looking machine. I think for the general market the color and transmission hurt the value a bit. Not so much in dollars but in quickness to sell. It's a bit of a bare bones luxuaryish car that probably no one wakes up in the morning looking for, but the right buyer would see it and be pleased to have it. I agree with others $15k is a fair figures for such a machine. So many great machines out there in that price range like it even if they aren't identical. They check the same boxes for someone wanting an antique that they can drive and enjoy as is. You mentioned it's a clean title, is it in your name or still in your grandfathers? It would have to clear through the estate if it's still in his name, and that can be easy or challenging depending on the situation. I would take the effort to get it into your name to sell if you haven't already. That will not only make the process easier, but also greatly improve a buyers willingness to travel to see and purchase. No one wants to travel and then go around meeting the family to collect signatures and then pleading with cousin Charlie that it really isn't worth $100,000.

I'll be at both... First time for Grand Nationals for me. I expect I'll want to bring knee pads. Looking forward to seeing those who can make it!

Not sure... I just registered yesterday... the change in date actually worked even better for me with my job. I'm guessing it might be a busy day with some folks not being able to or comfortable being out and about yet.

Honestly I worked for one of the vendors as a kid back in the 90's and never knew there was a show field for several years... I thought it was a big flea market in the mud! I don't think its all horrible to have just the show. Might refocus the mission. I think it was harmful today to have some people leaking bits of this information. Folks who knew it was coming in some degree should have kept their mouths shut until an official respond came out. I certainly understand it takes months of planning, and there are points much earlier than the even where decisions need to be made. Is there still expected to be judging? I was gonna hit 25 credits at Hershey (after NC got canceled earlier...)

It's more of a buyers market today than it was 20 years ago though. These cars will always have value, but the demand is lowering. IMO a solid 4 door sedan is the ticket for a budget '50s car. Their value is crippled but you get every bit as much car and frankly the styling isn't hurt nearly as much with the extra doors as during later periods.

To answer the question, there are two primary reasons. First, privacy. Do you want to be the target of theft because everyone knows you have a rare car with valuable and easy to rob parts off of? Or the constant pestering to sell the car? Or worry about the ones we leave behind being pestered when someone sees our names in the obituaries? Data can be used for more bad things than good IMO. Second, Most states aren't as stupid as KY it sounds... Here in PA you just stop paying for the tag and problem is solved. I have cars I've never registered, and some I've let lapse. I've sold cars that were registered and never filled out any forms other than signing the title. Down in Ga they won't even give a title for a car over 25 years old. When I've bought cars from other states and brought into PA I just needed them to sign a title and get a VIN rubbing and never had issue getting title. At most it might be good to get the signature motorized, but I never had it asked of me, though it has been awhile. That doesn't really solve your problem, but those are the reasons that come to mind.

Interesting that that grill of the 4 door Javelin dated for '67 has the target, which didn't come out until '69. I was under the impression that was added later to better define the sporting intention of the cars name after launch, but it seems it was on earlier examples.