C Carl

Bradley, (Brad, if you like), and I had a very good talk. He lost his father almost ten years ago. Does not have service records. Still going through leftovers, might have somewhere. Dad kept things, so ?................... Now, Brad is a very nice guy, very accommodating. I am sure he would be helpful in checking things, for example, what I mentioned earlier. He just works quite a lot, so turnaround time begs patience. Brad is also extremely aware that SUN KILLS CARS, drop tops, obviously, more so. The is why this Cad was spared the broiling, and irreparable consequent damage. People do love these Cadillacs. Some talented, dedicated guys feel it worthwhile to take on the task of restoring even significantly deteriorated ones. There is no automotive hero more highly esteemed, than a restorer of cars. Putting an otherwise condemned hulk back on the road again, a wonderful old car where otherwise there would be none, is the consummate act of preserving automotive history. But then again, I don't have to tell anyone here of the benefits of getting a very well-kept old driver. My experience with these cars goes back to when they were new, and then ownership just a few years later after initial depreciation made them bargains. At my age and stage of life, cars of this period still seem like almost new to me in some strange way. It is very weird to realize, that in a certain sense, this old Cadillac convertible is almost as old now, as my old '24 Cad convertible was back when I bought it. 🤔!!!!!!!!!! ! I really can't quite wrap my head around that. However, that is an argument for purchasing this properly, and somewhat unusually optioned example in its well-preserved condition. I encourage anyone who has had some interest in owning one of these, and particularly likes the colors, to contact Brad. Presently, Brad is in Cadillac, Michigan, hundreds of miles from home. He will be back in Pennsylvania Tuesday. As I mentioned, he is pretty consumed with work. So it could take just a little time to hook-up. But he is one of those personable guys who is very easy to talk to, and pretty soon you feel like you are talking to and laughing with one of your friends. I could give anyone who wants to call him after Tuesday his number by P.M. I know times are difficult these days. But a top down drive in the fresh air, isolated from the world you cruise through, 😎, might help make the troubled times, less so. - Carl

Also, the '68 has the new 472 over the 429 of the '67. And from personal experience, check the condition of the oil pump in a 429, and replace the timing gears & chain in the 472, 500, etc. and all G.M. big V8 engines with the nylon cam gears. - Carl

It's for sale all right, George. Just make 'em an offer they can't refuse, ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$), and it's YOURS ! - Carl

Please believe me, friend : everyone here would like to do exactly that. But you quite simply cannot get any REALISTIC valuation without quite a few pictures. We have a saying here, which I wouldn't be at all surprised to find an equivalent in Norwegian. "One picture is worth a thousand words ". Give us at least 15-20,000 words worth. At LEAST 6,000 words worth of all aspects of the interior, 3,000 or more of the engine, spend most of the rest on the exterior, emphasize any problem areas, please. If you have any breath or energy left, please give us a few thousand words underneath the car. REALITY ? We have another saying here : "Get Real !" Yes, you certainly could get real by verbal means. But you have not yet even got started on the 20,000 or so well-crafted words sufficient to replace pictures. Yes, I believe that you may be totally bilingual. The English you have used here is idiomatically absolutely perfect. You just haven't used ENOUGH English at this point. Insufficient chit chat leads me to another colloquialism : " Garbage in, garbage out". Meaning; we just can't give you a REALISTIC idea of what "a car like this" would "be worth", because your initial posting begs the question : " A car like WHAT ?" And so, our dear and warmly valued new friend, we simply ask for more information. MUCH more. Everyone who has been drawn to your topic here is intrigued by the mere mention of Horch. I know I sure am. I fell in love with an early '30s 6 cylinder, (120 p.s.) Maybach convertible sedan. It sat out in Seattle under a tan canvas tarp. Great original condition. Black, red leather. I was just a 13 or 14 year old kid. But I often pedaled my bicycle out to Mr. Trudeau's house because he was very nice to me, and let me wander among his old cars for hours. He would let me lift the tarp and open the hood and doors. My grandmother was a superb cook. If not for the fact that it would serve to disrespect her memory, I would say that I enjoyed the smell of that magnificent - UH OH ! BucketofBolts has just posted. It might be seen as my stealing some of his thunder, so by way of apology, I best wrap this up. At any rate, to use one last clever saying : "You better pack a lunch" and get to typing. Or perhaps better yet : send a friend to quickly get us whatever pictures he or she possibly can. Welcome to AACA forums ! You have generated a lot of curiosity here ! 🤔😊 - Carl

Owner has called back, we are "playing phone tag". Anyone have questions you would like me to ask ? This is the first year for variable ratio power steering. Certainly contributes to the wonderful driving characteristics of these cars. - CC

Oh come on, Reo'. 'Fin' has come up with some real winners here. Most of us enjoy talking up these "finds". You have been around for a good long time and know how important we all are to each other. With that, I recommend you treat yourself to that '66 Cad Droptop that 'Fin' found for you. 😎, - Cadillac Carl

And if you do attempt to rebuild the brakes yourself, leave one side untouched while you do the other. That way you will have a reference to examine if needed. An old hippie mechanic friend taught me that one years ago while ol' hip' still lived. R.I.P., Hippie Jim. I miss you terribly. - Cadillac

Car is almost 100. I am 20 years younger. Makes me feel young when driving !

Seeing no further help for your problem, bringing this back up. - Carl

Hi Steve, Even with the evolution from the tubular X-frame to the perimeter frame of the new for '65-'66 Cadillacs, the 129.5" wheelbase was retained. This continued until '71, when it went to 130". This car is further testimony to what $10k-$15k will buy across several generations of collector cars these days. With the often missing options of Climate Control A/C and the not-to-be-taken-lightly T&T steering wheel, combined with relatively low miles original owner garage-kept '66, this car could be enjoyed and maintained until such time as a new owner gets his/her opportunity. Who knows what condition the world will be in then, but these barges will always have their appreciative fans. Whether middle-class folk will have any discretionary funds is another matter, but : Hey ! If you can still play with toys, this is an excellent one. For my treasured friends here, I have responded to the owner over CL asking if service records are available. I have asked if there are records over the last 1/2 of the accumulated 112,000 miles for any work done on engine, transmission, A/C, front suspension, and radiator/water pump. Is anyone else in contact with owner ? - Carl

Butt stays as cool as you could keep it in a Cadillac convertible back in '66. White top, white interior, (real perforations on the seats), and the optional, (back then), A/C. Has the T&T 'wheel, too. I've owned these Cads after renting a brand new one, (88 miles out, a lot more upon return), quite a car for its time. Well balanced, handle very good when pushed hard, ample brakes, (no need for disc conversion unless you drive like I did back then). Well, actually, other than the fact that you'd have to be nuts to drive like that, it is not smart to push these brainless high compression 429s hard. Today's gasoline requires restraint on the go pedal. If you are hankering after one of these, at 112,000 miles, and considering the above mentioned options, go for it if you like the colors. Your butt will thank you every time you go out driving. Particularly on long distance runs. - Carl. P.S. Pay particular attention to the water pump. Good for around 60,000 miles, this is probably getting short on its second one. It may still be on its original radiator. Wiggle- jiggle the fan blades, if there is any play at all, replace pump. NOW ! Radiator too, if needed. While you are there, pull the timing cover, and check the condition of the oil pump which is embedded in the aluminum cover. There is vulnerability in that department. Hopefully this original owner kept all service records. If the bushings in the front end have not been replaced, (you can easily inspect the upper control arm bushings when you open the hood), do that too. Take a wide blade screwdriver and remove the oil fill cap. Scrape and scoop around. I walk if black "peanut butter" is present. These are three simple, easy tests which can be done in one or two minutes. Important bargaining points on one hand, peace of mind on the other. After tending to all needs, and converting to the highest quality full synthetic oil, I would drive this car a lot. Gentle acceleration considering the fact that the highest octane modern fuel is still shy of these cars requirements. These are such good drivers, that if I had one, and still had the time, health and money, I would try to revisit all the "lower 48" again. This time slowly, top down when able, A/C when butt calls for it, and a great big Cadillac Carl smile on my aging mug. Visit my forum friends, and let them take me for a ride so I could enjoy the back seat with the top down, to their favorite local scenic roads. They would see why, when in the period, Phil Hill replied to the question : "What car would you pick for a coast-to-coast drive ?" He replied : "An air conditioned Cadillac". - CC

I have just notified moderators, and expect this to be transferred to Technical soon. - CC

You don't have to delete and redo. Just report post, and ask moderator to to move entire topic to Technical. As to your question : Would help to know if problem has been constant during your ownership of the car, or a recent development ? - Carl

Good morning, Linus ! How exciting ! Rather surprised to see these attractive cars still on the market. I hope one will become yours for a fair and reasonable price ! Thank you VERY much, pkhammer for your dedication, and bringing this back to the attention of our group. Linus, please call me if you get a chance today. Understanding you are busy ,hopefully landing a new toy, if today is jammed, please try Tuesday. Funny : I planned to call you today. I do prefer people call me, as you know, that way I feel less likely to be imposing on them at an inopportune time. Good luck in getting whichever of the two you prefer !!!!!!!! - CC

Also bought the lion's share of the late Morris Tandu inventory in Western Washington State. Ron Henry gallantly carried on with the remainder of the electrical estate. Which reminds me, it has been a couple of years since I have seen him. I had better get in touch with him when I get back over the mountains. It is very comforting to know there are very dedicated, supremely energetic and organized guys like Tom, without whom we would often be dead at the curb, or static shop art. - Carl

Very interesting to see the different tread, front, (typical steer), and a more traction tread rear. One of each carried in the dual rear spares. Very interesting, indeed, as I can't remember seeing this depicted anywhere before ! Thanks for posting, - Carl

" the doctor call me crazy, some says I am, some says I ain't.....................", "Born in a desert.........." Bobby's vocal, "New New Minglewood blues" some old Good Old Grateful Dead But speaking of rock : ROCK hard ? 40 MPH ? I don't think I would drive over 10 MPH on ROCK hard rubber. Don't even think of trying to WEAR 'em out. Replace ASAP, and enjoy touring that '35 as you like it ! Can you get an acceptable size to radialize it ? Safety first, - Carl

Definitely not a V63, as it has 2 wheel brakes. And here for authenticity, is an original unrestored '24 V63 engine compartment. As to subject at hand : The project you see here is the late '27 sedan I mentioned earlier. Offered to me for $3000 in a stronger market 4-5 years ago. Most likely an easier project than the '22, in that the chassis was still intact, the complex mechanical brakes unmolested and all there in place. Engine ? Sure, the blocks have been pulled, (and we still don't know anything about the '22 engine), but the entire drive train has not been dismantled and scattered. Other advantages, some apparent, others not so much. This rock solid, rotless, rustless specimen lurked amongst quite a stash of project cars, 'teens,'20s, a bit of early'30s, that mostly flathead Ford with speed equipment galore. Early '20s Rolls- Royce far more together than most of its "cell mates", perhaps ready to go through a standard revival sequence. Late '20s RHD flathead Marmon phaeton. Marmon speedster project. Aerocar. '13 Buick, etc. If I had been offered the car BEFORE I started work on my '27 which I had bought a couple or three years earlier, (in a stronger market yet - albeit already in decline as witness my purchase for $12k), I would not have let it go. And yes, for me, it would have been a parts car. I do hope the new owner has saved it. It is a much more valuable, (if in fact value is still there at all), sedan than the '22. I hold restorers of 4 door sedans in the highest level of esteem. So few old car nuts give them the respect they deserve. Of course I love them very much, have for almost all of my 76 years, and I hope someone has the love, $$$$, talent and time to come collect these parts and make a car out of them. The pic here is at Tad's, out East of Portland, during an early shakedown cruise with chicken dumplin's the reward for good behavior. You see it exactly precisely as acquired, save for my addition of the turn signals under the visor. If seeing this project put back on the road has any importance to the owners, and if they want to move it out before it depreciates further in this tanking market, and with respect to the brave new world we must recognize, my recommendation is to sell to someone SOON, (I seem to recall that there is some time imperative operating here), bearing in mind Matt Harwood's evaluation. I believe there are 20 some type 61s in CLC. I don't have my current directory with me, but earlier ones will serve. There is some forward and back compatibility of some few components, and this may find a buyer through Hemmings as exactly what it is. Already dismantled parts to sustain another 61, or perhaps several. Looks like kind granddad had a propensity for dismantling, and walking away. Luckily he merely beheaded the Hupp. Hey now ! If this stuff has to be moved "out long before" 6-8 weeks from several days ago, I highly recommend taking the next money someone offers. As Matt also reminded us, the longer things like this sit on the market, the less they bring. I don't think it is my binnitch to make specific recommendations, but if you have rejected any offers, or driven someone to come to his/her senses, perhaps a LOWER counter offer could flush the now bird in the bush back to hand. GR8WHITE : You done flat ran out of time ! Glad you don't have to flog the Hupp ! Am I off-base in any of my perceptions here.? I believe in objective reality. Any reality check needed ? Thanks, - Carl

Well, we really don't know how tired the engine is, or why. But it runs, shifts, stops, and diagnosis is fairly easy on a running engine. Flipper scratchin' head, (or whatever), tryin' to figger effin dis "Sportbroom" is a #2 as someone mistakenly said it is. Just offer him 13 or 14 and stop cryin' over milk which was spilt before you could get to it. Anyway, you couldn't have got to it in time for the $8500. I myself would have if I could have, but I couldn't, even though it was less than 1000 miles from me. I know 13-14 buys a lot of car these days, but this is up there with the real ones in today's Nickel Era market. Maybe the wheel color goes well with that interior, which, by the way, seems a bit questionable to me ? Anyway, buy it. A straight forward revival project. - Carl

Certainly looks like a very well tended car. Witness the care the late gentleman took in laying it up for an indeterminate repose. Thank you for the pictures. Have you been able to take the girls out for a ride yet ? How did the clutch behave ? Congratulations ! Well done ! - Carl

Ahhhhhhhh.......................... How sweet it is !!! I thank you, Greg, and am sure I am not the only one who anxiously awaits your findings ! - CC

Oh, the suspense is just KILLING me ! It might be a bit premature, and speculation is so much fun, but why not one of you guys who speaks fluent Corvette give Sam a call, as he kindly invites ? Sam is helping his dad sell several cars here, with at least some of what that implies. Please decide among yourselves who is up to the task of helping Sam help his dad, and report back here. In the case that a quorum is lacking, or a butting of heads results in paralysis or stagnation, I suggest Greg becomes default inquisitor. Sam asks you to please call him at : 573-270-0915. I am confident he will, and certainly I, thank you very much ! - CC. (That stands for Curious Carl tonight)

For quick access to eBay. - CC

Just for the totally undiluted fun of it, I just checked this one out. Long time storage, last registered in 1937, no title. Fortunately looks to have had most of that 80+ years storage in relatively dry condition. Sitting that long, the mechanical issues will be quite formidable. Sad, an enormous project considering parts scarcity, and current/future market decline. With just under 24 hours left, seems to have one shill bid at $4000, reserve not met. Classic opening day fishing trip, the car may or may not eventually sell even at this price. That is my humble opinion, and I would love to have some peer review from my forum friends who are familiar with Chandler of this period. With its OHV 6 cyl engine, and mid-20s market position, I wonder how well engineered these cars were, and how reliable/rugged they were in their time ? Thanks to anyone who can comment as to quality and my pricing criticism. - Carl

In general, the "Slicktops" are more desirable. Vinyl tops break the line of these striking cars, and serve to trap water, provoking expensive rust. - Carl