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  1. Tom, there were probably other considerations, like floor space, but I think the prime mover was the fuel lines. Rock On gord
  2. Tom in some plants the fuel tank was put on a little ways up the final line after body drop, from assembly operators in the pit. It had to be attached to the fuel lines that were pre-attached to the frame, also done in the pit. The two tank straps would be hanging down, the tank would be positioned from the rear and then the fuel lines going to the fuel pump would be attached to hoses coming from the fuel tank sending unit. In other plants it was be put on in the Trim shop, and the cradle/engine/trans and rear end would be lifted up from towveyors and attached to the body as it hovered over the towveyor line. If I recall correctly, generally the unibody tanks were put on in Trim and the frame cars were done in Chassis on the final line. Rock On gord
  3. I believe that is the deck alignment tang that contacts the rubber bumper, as stated above. It is used to help with alignment of the deck in the decklid opening, along with the striker in the latch. You can move the bumper in and out of the hole, as well as the tang can be adjusted up and down to properly fit the deck. When these cars were built there was a body drop hoist used to put the car onto the frame at the beginning of the final line. Below are a couple pictures that I found that show what I mean. The body was held in the hoist by the rockers. When it was placed and aligned on the frame, by the assembly operators in the pit on the body mounts/cushions, the frame is like a scissor and opens up and returns to get the next body. Right after the drop the body bolts are put in by assembly operators. Rock On gord
  4. I didn't specify an ww width. I just got the Cadillac ones. Rock On gord
  5. TheTaxMan Ask them for a copy of the receipt. They can keep the original and you get the info you want and another piece of paper to keep with your car. If they won't do that something may be fishy. Rock On gord
  6. Mike aka 48Super, that is a shot of my tires in my garage. They are really wonderful tires, look good, easy to take care of and drive great. They are radials so they are not OEM Bias Ply. The 225/75-15 is what I ordered and what you see in that picture on a 65 Riviera. Rock On gord
  7. It is a private message within this forum. Look up near the top right of this screen for something that looks like an envelope. Every one on this forum has it. Rock On gord
  8. I will send you a PM Rock On gord
  9. Yes that is my email and I have not received anything from you. Nothin in spam and i have received 64 emails from other sources today. My email is working. You can also try gordon.wolfgang@yahoo.com or message me on the forum. Rock On gord
  10. msdminc

    64 Riv

    Tom, as we discussed, whenever there was a rule, exceptions were abundant. I am with you, there are tons of alternatives that could have happened. I think the bank fill alternative is plausible, but may not explain everything like we discussed last night. Heck I would even bet that folks that were there may not know the whole story. The speculation is the fun part. Its archeology. And we can't really be wrong, and we can change our model when new data comes in, to make our understanding better This is great stuff and I like to contribute where I can. Rock On gord
  11. Turnstedt was a stand alone division of GM from about 1948 to about 1969. It had several plants in Ohio, New Jersey, Michigan that I know of. They merged with Fisher Guide in 1969, a division later known as Inland Fisher Guide. It started in the 1910's and was acquired by GM when they were acquiring pieces to vertically integrate. Turnstedt produced lots of different parts for GM. As I remember it included Hard Trim and Soft Trim pieces, ball bearings, and many more. Rock On gord
  12. msdminc

    64 Riv

    Tom, Yes 64 non saleable pilot cars would be built earlier than 63 build out. There could've been some saleable 64s built before 63 build out (less likely), but they would not have been recognized as built until they were "shipped" from the assembly plant. There are several production pay points where different work in progress inventory relief was made (refer to my articles in the Riview from a few years ago for more detail). The production counts that were in industry reports were only counting units shipped from the final assembly plant, and not still in the plants Work In Progress. That will slide some of the numbers into the future from "Real or Actual" or what logically seems correct. Steady state production usually gets closer to Actual, because the rhythm of the production process is smooth. Hope this helps. Rock On gord
  13. msdminc

    64 Riv

    Art, Bodies were typically built to order, and a body plate/cowl tag were always put on a body when it was built in the beginning of the Body Shop process in the underbody area. Bodies-In-White (BIW) were expensive so we didn't build them without a specific order or reason. Pilot cars even had body plates. The one exception I remember when an underbody didn't get a body plate/cowl tag because we were testing a new underbody welding fixture and used the underbody for destructive test of the welds. Rock On gord
  14. msdminc

    64 Riv

    In preparing for any automotive production year there are a few steps that are taken to prepare. The first is prototype, generally a hand build of the projected model, typically years before the model year. In carry over models (models with small changes, think 1963 to 1964 Riviera, there isn't really any prototype activity per se. Prototype doesn't involve the plants to a great extent if any. There are then some pre-production processes, this includes the projected plant production site. The most important is the pilot, and most model years include a pilot even if it is a carryover model. If there are zero changes a pilot is not necessary, but most have some changes in parts, option content, production procedures or the like. The pilot comes while the prior year model, if it exists, basically dispersing the new model year cars with the current model year production. These cars are not sold, and used as a way to train the plant in the new build. This can be lots of cars (100's) or not many say 15-20. This proves out the production process, the design intent is nailed down by this point. Then the plants build out the prior year and change over to the new year. This can be many weeks for large model changes, or several days for minor model changes. It can also be many months for new introductions. When the new model year starts production it typically starts slowly. It is to iron out bugs in the process, or maybe the design. In essence it is slow to provide the plant to get a rhythm in building the new model. Other variables like the economic environment, competition, labor relations, and other variables can also dictate how fast the production goes from slow to full tilt. It has changed a bit over the years, but it is roughly the same as when I worked for GM in GM Assembly Plants from the 70's to late 90's. In the past the new model was introduced in September so the pilots would be in June. Depending on sales and the size of the change over the last current model year would probably end in July sometime, although it could be earlier or later. The last one would be driven off final line and destined for shipping to the last customer, and typically for small changes the next model year may be close behind it. The new model year would start at a crawl and pick up speed as everything was worked out. It was hoped to get to full speed in late August or September, but that too was not hard and fast. I would say everyone of the 20+ change overs, big and small wanted to be full tilt no later than October 1. This would go until the next model year, and so on. There were always exceptions, bad sales, oil crisis of the 70s, hot sales for a new introduction, extending the model year, mid year introductions, etc. Generally August and September, had lower numbers. Most plants built 45 to 60 jobs/cars an hour at full speed. There were some faster, and in bad economic times or craft type builds (think Corvette) there were slower. The numbers Tom cites are within reason, I just wanted to give a little more flavor to the analysis. I can't speak great knowledge about Flint, I was there, but not until the 70's. But frankly things haven't changed all that much. I went on a tour of the GM Fairfax Assembly Plant a couple years ago at the ROA event in Overland Park, KS and they had new model year pilots running with the current model in June of that year. Heck some of the folks I knew when I worked there in the early 90s were still there. I hope this helps a little. Rock On gord
  15. I am still rebuilding door jamb switches but I do not have ones that I sell. I recondition and replace parts as necessary, but need to start from a core.. The phone in the above is not correct that is an old number that I used to have. PM me for the correct number or use the email it is correct. By the way thanks for all the kind words Rock on gord
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