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  1. 10 hours ago, PFindlay said:

    In what was undoubtedly referred to as "The race of the century" we see the Wellburn Holley, the Bell Olds, and the McGladrey Curved Dash Olds throwing caution to the wind.  It was the 1971 VCCC May Tour in Nanaimo and the location was the Grandview Bowl.


    The first picture below was a warmup run, and it appears that Fred Bell was having a little trouble with the Olds.  (I guess he didn't quite make it around to the pits.)  I'm told this was the very first time out for this car and he was still working the bugs out.  The second picture shows the race underway and the third shows the outcome.


    And in a subsequent event, we have the green Napier taking on the yellow Hupmobile.  Anyone want to guess how that one went?












    Further to the One cylinder race, there actually was a fourth entry. Mike Simmons was riding a vintage bicycle dubbed “ The Spirit of Alcohol”. He did hold the lead at one point, until the chain fell off and he was unable to continue. 

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  2. 6 hours ago, PFindlay said:

    This 1926 Cadillac coupe was sold new ($4900) in Santa Barbara, California.  The purchaser was Mr. Jesse Podger.  Podger lived in Toronto in 1904, and later Winnipeg, but moved to Santa Barbara with his wife in 1919.  In 1928 the Podgers moved to Victoria and brought the Cadillac with them.  It appears that he (or a subsequent owner) may have traded it in to "Motor House Victoria Ltd." by 1950.  Records show that by 1954 it was owned by William Duncan and then sold to Eva Craycroft, both of Victoria.


    In 1957 Newell Morrison acquired the car at his Victoria Chev-Olds dealership.  He was told that the car had belonged to a doctor and was used mostly on Saltspring Island.  He cleaned it up and got it running well and made plans to drive it on the 1958 Fernie to Victoria tour.  Unfortunately, he was unable to attend so his friend Bud Bucan drove the car for him.  


    In 1960 the Cadillac was sold to Island Holdings Ltd, Ladysmith, and in 1969 it went to Fred Bell for a few months.  Fred passed it on to Richard McGladrey and two years later it was traded in at C and R Motors in Nanaimo.


    In 1971, the car came over to the mainland with stops at Dick Erwin Chevrolet (the "great, great guy") in North Vancouver and then Carter Pontiac Buick in Burnaby. In 1978 it was sold to a Prince George owner named Duncan and then in 1981 Mr. James Perry bought it.  The current owners acquired it in 2005, after Perry died.


    By 2008 the car was restored and in 2008 it was driven on its second Fernie to Victoria tour, looking and running great the whole way. 


    There is a good article on this car in the August/September 2008 issue of the VCCC magazine The Vintage Car.







    Thanks for the interesting history of this car; as you mentioned,it was owned by my father at one time. 
    If I may, I can add a little from the time that Dad owned it. 
    In addition to old cars, Dad had a couple of things he was very passionate about; steam, Colt revolvers, and Winchester rifles. He had a big safe in the basement full of Colts, and a pegboard wall in the den with a complete collection of Winchesters, rifles and carbines, from the model 1866 Yellow Boy all the way to the Model 1895 Flatside. Including a Model 1886 in .50-110 express but that’s another story. 
    Anyway, If Dad decided that he wanted something, nothing was sacred, and all bets were off. I came home from school one day, and the pegboard wall was just empty hooks, and the safe was gone from the basement. But there was a 1926 Cadillac in the driveway. 
    It wasn’t too long before Ram McGladrey had the remains of a 1905 Oldsmobile Light Tonneau. It was very rough, basically the bare engine and rusty frame. But Dad had to have it, and soon the Caddy was gone and the remains of the Olds was in the garage. The Cadillac was traded for the Olds. Dad did restore the Olds; it was Canadian built and is now in the museum in its birthplace; St. Catharine’s Ontario. 




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  3. 42 minutes ago, 8E45E said:

    The 1971/2 Vauxhall Firenza had an even worse reputation.  There was a Dissatisfied Firenza Onwers' lobby group that actually got GM to issue a $1000 credit to owners of these cars to trade them in.  That more or less spelled the end of Vauxhall in Canada; not to mention, GM's first 'world car', the T-body Chevette started production in Brazil in 1974, and by 1976, was being produced in both North America and England.



    This is interesting no doubt, but it is getting off the topic of Pre-war cars that have survived.

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  4. 57 minutes ago, KLF said:

    Harry Parr lived in Cloverdale. I don't know where he found this L29 Cord that he restored. I do remember it was missing the rumble seat lid and he couldn't find one. Eventually he had to make it. I had a ride in that rumble seat when I was 13 or so. I remember being amazed at how quiet it was. No rear end noise! Don't know where the car is today. That's my Dad's 27 Auburn next to it.


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    I can’t believe it; I have a very early memory of riding in the rumble seat of that car myself! It was at a May tour at the Tally-Ho in Nanaimo in the 1960’s. It made an impression on me with how quiet it was as well. I have never seen that car since that ride. 

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  5. 4 hours ago, keithb7 said:

    Hi folks, a contact of mine saw this thread and asked for a little help posting here. His car has a significant history in British Columbia.


    This Canadian built 1911 McLaughlin Model 33 Touring car was the first automobile in Ashcroft in 1911.

    The original owner  Issac (Ike) Leeman was  Blacksmith and an undertaker in Ashcroft.  At thatt time Ashcroft was a major hub in the interior of British Columbia.
    When Ike passed, the car was sold to the Burr family in the area. The car remained in the Lillooet and Hat Creek areas of BC for
    several years .  In the early 1940's plans were slated to chop up the car to use its engine for a water pump. Charlie Bond from Clearwater BC learned about this. He traded a stationary engine  for the McLaughlin and become the new owner . When Charlie passed in 1988 or 89, his family requested Ed Shaw from Kamloops BC to restore the car.   Local Kamloops resident Gerry Wallin leaned of the 1911 McLaughlin that Ed was restoring. The car was registered to go to Barrett Jackson in Arizona USA. Soon to be auctioned. When Gerry learned about this, and the car's history, he  wanted to keep the car in Canada. Especially in the BC interior area. Jerry was able to secure the car purchasing it from Ed Shaw in 1990. 
    Today Gerry still owns maintains  after the car. It's still drivable today.
    The car and Gerry currently reside in Kamloops. Locals here get to enjoy seeing the car when Gerry brings it out to events. I recall the first time I saw it at a local car show a couple of years ago. It's a wonderful living piece of BC history.




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    That’s a great story and an exceptionally beautiful car! And interestingly enough it originated in the same town as the White. It’s something to think that they shared the same roads way back when. Here’s a photo of the White taken around Ashcroft back then. One time an “expert” told me the bail handled lamps I have are not correct. I showed him the photo and he said they must have changed them back in 1920. Lol


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  6. 2 hours ago, G.Hoffman said:

    Hi all. 

    I was at the old Pringle place several times in the 50s and 60s . Twice with Paul and others . Old man Pringle was a Hermit with hair and beard over the shoulders. He was friendly once you got to know him so my wife and I used to visit a couple times a year. He had a huge yard with a sawmill and acres of junk. There was about a half dozen old cars in this collection. I rescued the remains of a 1913 Overland. The rad and one headlight are on my basement wall today as spares for my 12. The rad is the same as my 1912 only nickle plated in 1913. Paul and Rick Percy rescued a 1909 Cadillac fairly complete which I  have lost track of now..  There was a nearly complete 1915 Franklin which is still owned by Dave Proctor. Paul bought it and fixed it up as a runner before selling it to Dave.

    The 1904 Fiat was a real basket case. It had been in Pringles yard for years and virtually fallen apart onto the ground. I don't recall it being burnt.  When John finally talked the old man out of it the rad was missing. The old man had mounted it alongside a single cylinder hopper cooled irrigation pump in a creek away from his house. One day he found that the rad was gone and he was really pissed. Not long after this my wife and I arrived for a visit to be met with the old man toting a 12 gauge shotgun. At the time I confessed that I didn't have any idea who would steal it so the old man cooled down for a visit. Buck was well known for having sticky fingers so I phoned him when I got home and asked about the rad. His answer was  typical of Buck saying "well he didn't need it anyway "When John got the Fiat to Seattle, Buck sold him the rad for I think $100. Buck never had any money so was always trying to generate cash.

    The story I recall of the Fiat is the owner of the Westwold Hotel built in the 1880s was well off by the turn of the century. In 1904 he and his wife attended the Paris Auto show where he purchased the Fiat. It was then shipped around the Horn and up to Westwold . The hotel was still there but abandoned in the early seventies. It was a huge 3 story wood structure.

    Here is a story that I got from one of  the Pringle sons. John and his family traveled from Seattle and visited Weastwold for a holiday in the mid 70s. Val and John went over to the remains of the old hotel for a look around. One item that John was having a problem with during the restoration was the drive chains and sprockets were completely worn out. Chain drive cars had high wear rates in the mud and gravel of these early roads. In an old shed at the rear of the hotel was a pair of new chains still wrapped and hanging on the wall.  These are oddball metric European chains. The sprockets were rebuilt and the new chains installed. You can see them in one of the above photos. I saw the Fiat several times after the restoration and it was a beautiful car. I believe it is still in the family.

    Cheers George.

    Please keep it coming; I could read stories like this all day long!!!

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  7. On 9/21/2020 at 9:22 AM, PFindlay said:

    Here is another car that Buck Rogers saved.  Funny how they all have the same general look to them.   It's the remains of a 1913 Cadillac which was photographed in his front yard on Smythe St. back in the sixties.  The second photo shows that it's on its way to becoming a car once again.





    Thank you once again for posting. One thing for me is it makes me feel good to see that the White really wasn’t any worse than most of the cars of that era.  Those guys weren’t easily intimidated!!! I’m so grateful that they salvaged so many early cars when they did.

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  8. I must say thank you to all those who have posted; I have certainly enjoyed this thread. Although I am from the island, I grew up around pretty much all of these characters and most of these cars. Some of these gentlemen I first met as a child and then went on to become friends as an adult. It was always interesting when Buck Rogers would pull into the driveway driving his " travelling swap meet" lol. Is Paul Bolam still alive? I have not seen him in many years.

    A really interesting thing would be to compile a roster of all of the vehicles that were discovered by Buck Rogers and passed through his possession to other collectors. That would be fascinating but maybe impossible to complete.

    Thanks again to everyone that has posted.

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  9. 1 hour ago, Modeleh said:

    Thanks for posting the photos of the Russell I was fortunate enough to have Vern give me a ride in it not long before left us.  Just a wonderful car.

    It had been mentioned earlier the Russell cars were built by the CCM company, the Canadian Cycle Manufacturing company, which later went on to make all kinds of sports equipment so when I see CCM on the front of a hockey helmet while watching the Stanley Cup playoffs it always reminds me of that ride with Vern in his Russell.

    Another nice story; and not to sound picky, but in the interest of historical accuracy, CCM stands for “Canadian Cycle and Motor” 

    please keep up with the interesting stories!

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  10. 11 hours ago, KLF said:

    The Mitchell was a 1912 roadster the Vern sold to Earl Tucker. The car is now in Australia and still being actively used.

    Vern also had a 1912 McLaughlin Buick roadster. That's in Dave Proctor's collection now.

    Also Vern had an 11?? Hupmobile roadster. That car is still in Vancouver.

    These cars may all have come from the Foster collection I'm not 100% sure. I've got pictures of them on film. I'll try to track them down and post them.


    The McLaughlin has been a favourite of Dave’s for many years; and that’s saying something in a collection like his! My favourite memory of that car was on the Malahat Challenge tour about 30 years ago. The McLaughlin developed a bit of a rod knock. So Dave nonchalantly pulled over to the side of the road, dropped the pan down with the oil still in it; pulled some shims out of the offending rod, and buttoned it back up and carried on. Nobody gives Dave Proctor any hard luck trophy lol!!!

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  11. 10 minutes ago, PFindlay said:

    Here are pictures of the 1912 Mitchell and the 1911 Hupmobile.  I believe the occasion was a Victoria Day parade in Victoria, back in the 50s.







    Thanks; those are definitely the cars I remember! The first picture it sure looks like the Mitchell has a rope on the back and is towing the Hup!!!

    the other thing I can clearly remember is just how beautiful that Mitchell was! 

  12. 10 hours ago, KLF said:

    The Mitchell was a 1912 roadster the Vern sold to Earl Tucker. The car is now in Australia and still being actively used.

    Vern also had a 1912 McLaughlin Buick roadster. That's in Dave Proctor's collection now.

    Also Vern had an 11?? Hupmobile roadster. That car is still in Vancouver.

    These cars may all have come from the Foster collection I'm not 100% sure. I've got pictures of them on film. I'll try to track them down and post them.


    Thanks Ken; I remembered the Mitchell as it used to be on display inside the big log building at the Forest Museum. This is the same building that the Stanley was stored in the basement. I remember these as we lived right on site at the museum when my Dad worked there from 1969-71. I remember a car club event being held there, my dad was operating the steam locomotive but he  took a little break and drove the little Hupmobile in some of the car games. I may have a photo of that somewhere. It sure seems like a long time ago!

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  13. 21 hours ago, Modeleh said:

    Mrs Frenchs Detroit Electric was another car from the Phil Foster collection later became the Wellburns. Vern told me they donated it and the Lafrance to the Cloverdale museum.  When the museum closed the original battery charger to the car went missing and the car went to the care of the electric car club.  Vern was just disgusted that the museum people lost that battery charger.

    A list of the Phil Foster/Wellburn cars:

    1904 Holley

    1910 Russell

    1911 Stanley

    1912 Detroit 

    1913 Lafrance 

    can anyone help add to it I think there was more?

    There was a Mitchell as well I believe around 1912; also the Model N Ford circa 1907

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  14. 11 hours ago, Modeleh said:

    Beautiful Oakland!  Thanks for sharing, it’s nice to see some of Jimmy Blackstaff’s talents on display.  He was a friend and mentor and was an absolute master at turning what most would consider absolute junk back into flawless art.  A very skilled man who had a quiet demeanour and let his work speak for him.  He restored literally hundreds of items in his short 57 years from steam tractors, engines, full size and model locomotives, cars, fire trucks, the guy never stopped.  Hard to say just how many cars he did for members of the VCC, they never really kept track. He left an amazing legacy behind for many future generations to enjoy what he saved from the scrap pile.

    Very well said; I knew Jimmy my whole life and felt the same as you. He was incredible with his talents and knowledge. And an awesome guy on top of that!!

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  15. Thank you for posting the incredible film of the Silvers brothers cars. As a B.C. boy I was aware of the collection but I was too young to have been able to see them at that time. 
    I have a B.C. car as well, though it’s not really a survivor like the cars you have shown. 
    The White was pretty far gone but had never left BC. It received a genuine “1960s” restoration in 1966-67 and remains essentially the same to this day. Interestingly enough it has survived longer since it was restored than it did as an original car 







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  16. Fill the cooling system as usual; then loosen the temperature sender on the intake manifold. If there is air trapped in the block or heads it will sputter out around the threads of the sender. When coolant starts to leak out around the sender tighten it back up and you are good to go.

  17. Ladys and gentelman..... we have a winner!!

    By far Fred the best speedster project I have seen to date! On this form, and any where else I might add. And I am not saying that just because I'm a Hudson nut.

    For all of us that follow this speedster form, Im going to say well done.

    For those of you are reading this, I have known this car for almost 40 years now. this car has been on Vancouver Island for most of it's life. And I had the privalidge to sit in it and go for a ride when I was about 8 years old with its long past owner Jack.... last name is gone. This would be back in the early 70's. Some where I have a Photo of that day.

    Fred is now the currant care taker of this car, and has taken on the last care takers dream to bring it to what it is today. for those of you that are on the internet for brass cars, you may recongnize freds name for his search for the proper wheels as I believe, it had cadilac wheels on it. He is now getting made the proper Hudson style wheels and hubs for this speedster.

    This is what this Hudson Looked liked from the factory...


    .This is what It looks like today


    This my speedster friends, is what a speedster is all about!!

    That long lost friend was Jack Haliday...

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