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1916 Pierce Arrow. What about adding a disk brake to the driveshaft? Good idea? Where to get parts? I am ok with some machining.
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1 hour ago, Bob Roller said:
Because it continued on and on with few or no improvements.
I have a friend who owned a 1919 Chevrolet that has a water pump
and oil pump PLUS a 3 speed transmission.It may have had a
distributor as well.
Yes. You are right! Henry Ford had a great idea, innovative methods and put America on wheels. But to me, He stagnated, perhaps more or less, 1915 and did not progress with new technology and the Model T was outmoded as you mentioned.
There was a continuing American love affair with the Model T that had momentum, but at some point this love affair became "tired." Even though there is still a few die-hard fans, myself among them that cherish the mystique of the Model T.
I am fortunate that we live within a mile of Stone Mountain Park. We have over 15 miles of paved road, wonderful sites to enjoy and there is a 25mph speed limit, but I would not spend time on regular surface roads in a Model T. -
2 hours ago, Bob Roller said:
I have been told the Model "T" Ford was the only car ever made that started at the bottom and went down.
Why would you say that?
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Take seat behind the wheel (or tiller) and feel the people who have sat there over a hundred years...... Sit there quietly and absorb the moment. I am bet that you did? Wasn't that better than just looking?
To me, feeling is paramount. Get the feeling in your gut as you sit there. Visual is OK, but the feeling matters most.-
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On 1/25/2021 at 10:36 PM, Bryan G said:
A not so good feeling, repeated too often? I go to a show and fall in love with a car. I really want to know more, and have some intelligent questions lined up, but it would take a firecracker through the window to get the owner to amble over here and give me 2 words. He's too busy sitting there in a lawn chair with several other guys he sees ever weekend. They're probably chatting about how the hobby is dying, younger guys aren't interested in their kind of cars...and I walk on.
Respectfully I am probably one of the old guys swapping stories with my buddies and usually with a handful of young enthusiasts in lawn chairs. My feeling is if someone wants to talk cars with me that they amble over and ask.-- EDITED: from what I originally wrote. --
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8 hours ago, Captain Harley said:
Cadillacs were Al Capone's favorite car,...just saying....
Capt. Harley😉
Nah, it was Franklin D Roosevelt with that gangsta's car.
https://forgottenhistoryblog.com/president-roosevelt-used-to-ride-around-in-al-capones-limousine/ -
On 1/24/2021 at 11:01 PM, keithb7 said:
The one I sorta find funny is “What’s the fuel economy?”
I really don’t know. I really don’t care. How can you put a price on what fuel costs are per mile, to drive the car you put all your blood sweat and tears into? Totally irrelevant.
Sorry, double post
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On 1/24/2021 at 11:01 PM, keithb7 said:
The one I sorta find funny is “What’s the fuel economy?”
I really don’t know. I really don’t care. How can you put a price on what fuel costs are per mile, to drive the car you put all your blood sweat and tears into? Totally irrelevant.
I usually, and it is true, I don't know about economy. Doesn't have a gas gauge. Some don't even have a speedometer/odometer. Carry an extra gallon of gas. If you are talking about a big brass car, you may carry a five gallon gas can! Between us, my brass cars get less than 5mpg.
Let me tell you about our 1916 Pierce. The seller told me he just put five gallons into it before I bought it. Adds to the "story" about what it is like, walking to get a can of gas.
I use a stick and show them my gas gauge from Model T (see picture) and we both laugh about it.
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23 hours ago, GregLaR said:
And don't even get me started on Marilyn Monroe!
If anyone cared to believe how many houses she has supposedly stayed in here in SoCal, you'd have to believe she spent her whole life just sleeping around, from one place to another.....
....ummm, OK, that one's probably not the best illustration of my point.
The seller sold me our 1958 Cadillac Limousine with a Derham top (blanked out rear quarter windows) he absoultely true that "here, right there in the back seat JFK and MM did the horizontal tango" For $100 he would sell me the CSI report!
Sure, I pass the story on, wel, who knows? it was 1958!
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I think that most people are just trying to connect about us and our old cars. Sometimes I get playful, like my in my original post, then I laugh and so do they.
My grandfather (father, uncle, aunt,...) had one like this. Respond in kind. Could they imagine the value of a brass car?
Squint a little bit and don't think, in some way, that our cars do look like giant Model Ts to the uninitiated?
If they mention that it looks like "Chitty....." I just agree. Could be! I liked the movie and wouldn't it to be fun to have a car like that? Then I offer them to sit in my "Chitty.. " and take a picture of them with their camera. Let them know that we are just people. No need to shut down a person who seems to be enjoying our cars.
I want to spread the Hobby and the best way I know is to join in the fun.
Another thing, I ask them to respectfully TOUCH the car. Fingerprints can be cleaned off and the memories for them and us will remain forever.
I have a 1923 Model T Depot Hack (AACA, original oak body) at a car show. A respectful father asked if he could have his son stand in front of it for a picture. I suggested that he and his multiple friends should get in it with his son holding the steering wheel. The father and several other fathers were worried since the kids were holding ice cream. I told them that was fine with me. My 1923 Ford has been hosed out over it's 98 years. The kids liked it, fathers liked it, I liked it and I felt a silent shiver that the Model T liked it, also!
Come on "TOUCH THE CAR." (respectfully) while I stand by.
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I am amused that people look at our brass cars say, "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang".
Later cars anything from Model T to anything in the early forties must be "Bonnie and Clyde" or "Al Capone"!
Also, did you buy it new? I playfully suggest that I bought THAT car off the showroom floor!
Or I respond that this car was bought new by my parents for their honeymoon. I was conceived in the back seat. Finally they gave it to me when I reached my 16th birthday.
Sometimes when they ask about price. (usually one of the brass cars) I respond that car is worth more than the rest of my collection, the building, our home, the land and everything else, combined. Mostly true!
We are ambassadors of the Hobby. Answer their questions respectfully. Leave them a good impression about our Hobby, and maybe a few answers that resonate with them.-
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3 hours ago, lump said:
Very cool! Love the originality of this car, and the fact that you still drive it.
I see that Zasu had different headlights on it in that photo. Wonder whatever became of them?
No telling about the headlights. Those on Zasu Pitt's car possibly are kerosene? The one we have now are electric.
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From the Harold Coker collection. Was a Christmas present to Harold's wife, Lillian Coker.
Come back in time, it was built in the Columbus Buggy factory, Columbus Ohio. It cost $1500 when the average family income was about $500 a year. It was built in June 1903, six months before the Wright Brothers flew (December 1903).
It was powered by 42 2volt batteries producing 84v. It was terrifyingly fast in an age where usual transportation was about 5 miles and hour, it could easily hit TWENTY miles per hour and cover 75 miles before an overnight charge.
It was for wealthy women. It was silent with none of the drawbacks from steam or internal combustion engines. No clutch. No noise. No smoking, nor foul odors, No transmission. No radiator. No need for a crank to start it. Almost no learning curve.
Your right hand on a tiller and your left hand on a lever that controlled three positions. #1 accessed 1/3rd of the batteries (low), #2 accessed 2/3rds of the batteries - (medium speed) and #3 all the batteries! Dual chain drives and two wheel rear brakes.
Cities had to enact and enforce speed limits. Usually 5 mph to tame these speed demons (maybe speed demonesses!)At night a charger would have it ready for the next jaunt!
This car is a near perfect time capsule. Original paint (even pinstriping), wood body, running gear, about everything with the exception of have modern batteries (7 12v deep cycle) upholstery and a naugahyde top that replaced the original leather.
At one time it was owned and driven by renowned silent film star Zasu Pitts.
It has been featured in major collections and one World's Fair. Still running and regularly driven by myself and my wife.
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1 hour ago, 8E45E said:
Thanks for the photos! I posted a picture I took of the Indianapolis car here: https://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/forum/your-studebaker-forum/stove-huggers-the-non-studebaker-forum/49970-orphan-of-the-day-02-17-1911-marmon-wasp#post777836
Craig
Thanks, I saved the Image in my Marmon file.
A friend made a perfect replica of the Wasp. See it at the Coker Tire Museum in Chattanooga, TN. -
9 minutes ago, zepher said:
I know how big the car is because it has a few inches more wheelbase than my Pierce.
And I love parking next to Ford Model As to get shots like the one you posted above with the T speedster.
The T looks like a scale model of the Marmon when they are side by side.
I have a 1916 Pierce touring car that is 142"WB.
I saw the Model T Speedster and had to have it. "Younger brother."-
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19 minutes ago, zepher said:
That is an absolutely gorgeous car.
And on that wheelbase I bet you don't really understand how big the car is until you see it in person.
It is huge. Same chassis size as a Limousine. The previous owner was 6'4" and the seat was set for him. I am 6'2" and I fit beautifully. Our other brass cars are tight for me.
My wife, Anne, took the picture, posed the woman showing perspective. Atlanta Tyler Perry Concourse.
If you want perspective is the Marmon with our 1927 Model T Speedster. The Marmon is four feet longer.
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One of our easiest driving brass cars. 1913 Marmon Speedster 48B. 9.4 liter, six cylinder, 145" wheelbase (Limo type length) Frame off restoration. Marmon Owner's Club state that this was the only Marmon built as a speedster in 1913.
Successor of the 1910 Marmon Wasp that won the first indianapolis 500.
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Found a model on eBay. Bought it. Got the same paint scheme. No painting needed!
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24 minutes ago, edinmass said:
In the world of brass.......we call that a “Big Boy Toy!”
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Earlier this year, we acquired a 1910 Thomas Flyer (ex Harold Coker Estate) at auction. It had been a trailer queen since complete restoration many years ago. I do believe in driving our cars, just using them only as static displays.
I reached out to a great Thomas restorer, Jeff Keysor and mechanic and had him go through everything. Make sure all lubrication points addressed. Brakes in top condition, steering, suspension and, of course the engine and running gear.
We removed the windshield for easiest transport (and gave it a racy look.)
While to nomenclature was a 6/40 designation, but I have heard that the 1910 had a more powerful engine with 64 hp. It runs and drives beautifully and the engine is smooth and responsive. Been out driving around Stone Mountain and very pleased! Sadly the COVID has curtailed touring for us, but hoping to get out when it is lifted.
I want to thank, for their excellent work
Bill Squires, Bill's Auto Works, (419 829-8048) (Transport)
Jeff Keysor. restoration https://keysorautomobileworks.com/
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Reaching out to the museums and sites for info. Thanks! Will let you know any results.
Not even sure what country it was created. One person thinks it could have been made in Italy. -
43 minutes ago, CHuDWah said:
Pretty neat in a kinda morbid way - presumably it would have followed a separate hearse. Probably driver and undertaker assistant(s) in first high seat and mourners in second - even though those seats have steps, I bet getting into them without a stepladder is fun. I think it's way too ornate for 1740 - I'd guess Victorian, maybe even Edwardian.
Some elaborate funerals had "extra" funeral wagons. We have a 1958 Cadillac Eureka Flower Car. These were basically handmade. Our car was Cadillac from the back of the cab doors to the front. The rest was hand made. on a Cadillac Commercial chassis.
I think is is probably not from the 1700s but no-one knows? Funeral wagons were massively updated. Ours has rear drum brakes added in, but the lever that is much older. Probably had brakes that maybe rubbed on the tires? The silver color metal, some were chrome plated. Others seem nickel. The carriages seem to be a combination of Sheffield and silverplate.
I have gone over the body, looking for an ID Plate. The "Fifth Wheel" as the rest of the iron seem to have been made by blacksmiths. But usually were made in factories as well. Some should have old serial numbers. I have looked everywhere and found nothing, but the are coats of paint and I plan to clean off the possible places where serial numbers.
One of the wheels has a "hubcap" that says "Cunningham" which was used in the late 1800s, but the other three hubcaps are more crude. The wheel bearings are leather which would indicate older vintage.
Has a fascinating presence. Been used many times.
Someone mentioned that they may have made ladders? Possibly, but many wagons have wheel hubs that have corrugated metal. This is the first step up. Then a step plate. And boost into the carriage.
Bit of trivia that many of the carriages were made for men, but there are "Lady Phaetons" that have a lower step plate. The "Gentlemen Phaetons" have higher steps.
Picture of our "Flower Car"
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Seller owned it for 25 years and it was sold to him as a 1740 Pallbearers Wagon. He is an expert in vintage buggies and carriages. Personally I don't this as being that old. Could it be older than the USA by 36 years, but who knows?
Super rare and seems to be a one-of-a-kind. Nine feet high and was pulled by four horses. 40" silver carriage lamps. Heavy carving. Carried 6 pallbearers in the back. Possibly funeral director and assistant in the high seat.
Rear doors open to allow entry and exit.
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Disk brake to driveshaft?
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Rusty, trying to understand. The Model T brake pedal tightens a band in the transmission, stopping effectively stopping the driveshaft, so that the rear drive wheel stops, not spins, and the other wheel freewheels ....... Please explain. Of course the handbrake stops each rear wheel.
So, that, a disk brake on the driveshaft can only affect the driven wheel, not the freewheeling other wheel. Only a driveshaft disk brake could only stop both rear wheels if there was a solid rear axle. When you turn a corner, the outer wheel has to turn faster than the inner wheel.