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Scott Bonesteel

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  1. Hi, can anyone tell me how the '33 gas pedal is attached. Mine says 'made in taiwan', so I guess its not original but have seen a couple of originals on a well known auction site. I think I have most of the original linkage and it looks like there was a ball fixture on the floor which might have fitted to a socket on the bottom of the pedal?
    Think it is the same as the 34, there are two steel ball studs attached to the metal toe board (not the wood floor board) which basically pop into the back of the pedal at the bottom. Throttle linkage rod then comes up through the toe boar at about a 90 degree angle to the floor and inserts into the top, back side of the pedal. Weird setup but it works pretty well since it is a beefy linkage that can handle a lot of pressure. I will see if I can pull up a picture and send it your way. The pedals are fairly easy to find here in the states on ebay.
  2. Thanks Scott also ordered the owners hand book, still looking for side mount covers for the PD if you should come across a pair.


    I still have that one I sent you a picture of. Spoke one time to your 'shipper' in, I think, Tennessee, but never were able to hook up. Let me know if you still are interested. Sorry, only have the one. SMB
  3. There is supposed to be a very small rubber 'flap' attached to the outside of the window frame that serves to seal that gap. I will shoot you a photo of it when I get a chance. On the window roller guide, it really is nothing more than a rubber tube over a steel shaft. I drove the shaft out and replaced the rubber roller (which was all cracked and hard) with a short piece of rubber vacuum tubing--exactly the same size, looks exactly the same, and mine has worked like a champ on my PE 4-door for 20+ years.

  4. Mike,

    Those inside door panels and the outside door handle escutcheon indicate Dodge or Desoto. 1933 PD Plymouth has oval outside door handle escutcheon.


    That is a GREAT photo! Car is a 34 PE Plymouth. You can see the cutout in the window sill garnish for the lever that throws the 'double acting' front window mechanism, which was unique to the 34--the 33 has a single window, without a breaker window. In addition, those teardrop shaped escutcheons on the outside door handles are 34, and the late 34 models had them like that with the hidden screws. If you look closely you can also see that the handles have the 'winged' and pointed shape of the Plymouth handles instead of the curved inward handles found on the 33-34 Dodge. Chris is right that the 33 Plymouth had oval escutcheons with the screw heads showing. Final tip off is that you can just see the Plymouth PE hood door in the open position--unique to the 34 PE. Now all I need is to find one of those scarf heaters...SMB
  5. My understanding is that the DRXX was an economy model with the 4 louvre hood. I am going to look at what I believe is a DRXX business coupe next week that I am hoping to pick up for a full restoration. I know it has a 4 louvre hood and does NOT have vent windows, so I assume it is a DRXX. I will report back with photos of the car and a confirmation from the serial number and data plates. Car still in the family of the original owner and does not look like from the photos I have seen to have been messed with at all. Thanks to Stephen48 above for the information on the DT.

  6. If the serial number is correct, you have a 34 PE Deluxe 4-Door Sedan, built in Detroit. If the serial number started with a 3, it would be Los Angeles manufacture. Other ways to confirm the model are if there is a glove box (if not, car is a PG), has the wind wing thumbscrew at the upper corner of the front doors and has windwings (could still be a PF or PFXX). The serial number does confirm it as a PE. Wheelbase should be 114" and the hood should have louvres and dual doors. If wheelbase is 108" with just louvres on the hood, car is a PF or PG. Both the PE and PF had independent, coil spring front suspensions, the PG had a tube axle and parallel leaf springs. Don't be confused by the one wiper, many of the 34s, including the Deluxe PE, only had one wiper, one tail light and one interior visor--the passenger side ones were options. Attached is a factory photo of a 34 PE Deluxe 4-door sedan. Welcome to the group!post-89602-143142615628_thumb.jpg

  7. Keep in mind that towards the end of 34, there was a transition from the old, HC and early KC unitized instrument cluster (as in Dave's picture above of the HC) to the three round gauges that were seen in what are typically known as 35 'first series' trucks. What makes it confusing is that the trucks seemed to have basically flowed from one year to the next without the clear breaking points. If you look at the parts books closely you will see that even late 34s underwent a dash change, changing over to the 3-gauge type (which really still is a cluster, but it is mounted behind the dash, with just the gauge faces and the knobs sticking through). These 'late 34-first series 35s' also came both with and without a glovebox. See the attached photo of a KCL with a 3-gauge, glove box equipped dash. My 34 KCL panel has round gauges and no glovebox, so they came both ways. post-89602-143142615625_thumb.jpg

  8. I stand corrected, ply33 is right and the 34 is the same way. See the Maintenance Manual, Group 11 (Steering), page 3:

    "Before installing the pitman arm, the steering gear should be set in its mid-position which can be determined by turning the steering wheel from one extreme position to the other, counting the number of turns required, and then turning the wheel back half the number of turns required for the full swing. In this position, the spoke of the steering wheel which has the trademark on its under side should be pointing directly up in a vertical position from the steering wheel hub.

    "With the steering wheel in this position, the pitman arm should then be installed on the serrations so that it points straight forward."

    Since the steering wheel is on with a keystock as opposed to splines, it cannot be 'shifted' such that the spokes are in a different position.

  9. Ian--Well I finally found the steering column bracket for my 34 Plymouth PE and it is mounted with the open end up--I marked it with an arrow when I took it off. Attached is a photo and, while it is a different style than that on your Dodge, one can assume that the installation was similar. Looks like yours is mounted correctly. They really don't fit well, particularly with the rubber seal in place. SMBpost-89602-143142516065_thumb.jpg

  10. Ok, I checked and cannot find a photo of an original installation of that collar. I just seem to recall removing it on my 34 (granted, 34 PE Plymouth, stateside) and it went up, not down. I think it was designed to hold that rubber piece in place, over the rubber as opposed to under it. It may be that your installation is different, don't know for sure. I am attaching a photo of the seat tracks, as found originals on my 34 PE, on an original floor board with original wood under the tracks, with the tracks in some sort of cad plate. Again, who knows. SMB


  11. Beautiful work you are doing, keep it up. One comment, one question: I think the collar on the steering column goes the other way, I think you have it upside down. Let me see if I can scrounge up a photo of an original installation and send it your way. On the seat tracks, beautiful work. Why did you paint them black? Did they seem to have been painted originally? The set on my 34 Plymouth PE convertible are identical, right down to the handle, and they appear to have been bare metal (perhaps cad plated) originally. I just wired brushed them and flushed out the grit/etc. from the inside and then sprayed them with clear. Look great both ways but I wonder which way was original? Probably came both ways. SMB

  12. My 34 KCL has a rear bumper that mounts the same way as shown in the second photo above. However, it is similar to a 34 car bumper, basically a fairly flat bumper with curved ends. I have most if not all of the KCL sales literature and the panels are shown with a rear bumper but the express is shown without. The literature does list a chrome bumper as an accessory, as stated above, as a $7 option. Attached is the only sales literature I am aware of that shows a clear picture of the KCL rear bumper, this from a March 1934 brochure directed towards laundry operators, which apparently was a big market for the KCL panels. Hope these help.



  13. Tom--I'm back after a hiatus with too much work going on to have time for my Plymouths. Yes, what you see in the photo of the red convertible are the rear splash apron to fender seam covers. Keep in mind that the red one is a 34, not a 33, however I believe they are identical in that area of the body. If you need some photos of the rear seam covers, which are two piece, let me know and I will send.

  14. The bracket knobless has pictured is what I have typically seen on 33s in the States. Attached are two pictures of what I have always seen on 34s, which seems to be much closer to what you have--hole and the 'cup' shape, which is different than the stud on the 33s. Flange is a little different but perhaps that is a 'down under variant'. Hope this helps.



  15. The attached should be of interest to you. I have had 34 Plymouths for years and the 34 Plymouth 'Woody' has always been a favorite. As set forth above, none of the 35 manufactured apparently have survived. There are hardly even any pictures of them and we have mostly the Bette Davis 'Dark Victory' clips of the 34 PE Plymouth woody to confirm their existence. More direct to your point, attached are photos of a sales brochure from Plymouth/US Body and Forging for the 34 PE woody--this is the only documentation I have ever been able to find. Hope it helps. SMB





  16. Dave--All I can say is that 'idle hands are the devil's playthings'. Whenever I'm on the web and run into something 30s Mopar and interesting, I save a copy for future reference. Can't recall how I found this one but I seem to recall there is a website listing cars in films, and I may have found it there. Attached is another still from the same film, confirming that the car is a 34 PE. SMB


  17. Dave--The 34 Plymouth and Dodge convertible coupes (with roll up windows) had fold down windshields. They also had at least one sunvisor (I believe the passenger side sunvisor was always an extra accessory). What makes it confusing is that the visor did not attach to the windshield frame but, rather, to the front top header. See the attached photo of a 34 Plymouth PE from a 1930s period French film, showing the visor attached to the header on a folded top. The visors, at least on the Plymouths, were different from the closed cars. The closed cars had a visor that was hung from one end, whereas the convertible had a 33 Dodge style visor, hung from both ends.

    In the learning mode. For 33-34 Dodge-Ply, the convertible were only made with folding windshield? 33-34 Chry-Desoto had the stationary windshield? So the folding windshield didn't have a visor? With that being said, did the Dodge-Ply have a convertible with stationary windshield?


  18. Dave--I think that one might be a 34, it looks a little thick to be for the 525X17. What size is the tire? I would also take a look down on the bottom by the clamp, they are often stamped with the size at that point. It does have the wider chrome band, which indicates it is either 33 or 34. The 35-36 I think has a narrower band. SMB

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