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Scott Bonesteel

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  1. The screws I have seen on 34s are exactly that, #6 x 3/8" slotted pan head screws. On further review of the part numbers listed above and actually going down and looking at the darn things, some of the 34s do have 'studs' on the cowl protector strip. The 142594 pan head screw checks in my 1929-1939 Plymouth Master Parts List as exactly that. However 104449, while listed, is listed as a "oval head rivet, split", 9/64 x 3/8, which doesn't sound right for even the radiator shell, much less the cowl. I found on my 34 Plymouths, as well as on a 34 Dodge humpback, both screws and these 'nails' or
  2. Keeping in mind that my experience is mostly with 34s, every one I have ever seen has the nickel split rivets on the radiator shell welting but uses small, pan head slotted sheet metal screws on the welting on the cowl that screw through the welting into the cowl. This makes sense because it would be simple, during original construction at the factory (which is usually what controls how things are built), to rivet the radiator shell because the tool could be held on the edge of the shell and crimp the back side. Not so with the cowl, where to do so would require two people, one on the inside
  3. Tom and Dave-- Checked all my part books. Trunk rack brackets, right (612782) and left (612783) are listed for 'coupe' in 'enamel' finish. They are shown as being on Plymouth PC coupes, US built, after #1804333; 1933 Plymouth PD coupe; 1933 Dodge DP coupe; 1934 Plymouth PF coupe. Looks like you have just the right set for your coupe. SMB
  4. And to REALLY CONFUSE THINGS, here is a set of purportedly 33 Plymouth trunk rack brackets currently on Ebay, supposedly from a sedan. Completely different from all the above versions. As I indicated in my prior post, there are numerous versions listed in the parts books. Absent casting or parts numbers, hard to tell exactly which one is appropriate.
  5. Interesting that the support bars are different than the ones I posted for Tom, probably because the main bracket is configured differently. Tom's is a 33 so he should probably see you about the support bars rather than use the dimensions I posted from my 34--clearly the locking pin hole is in a different position and the curved bar appears to be longer.
  6. Tom--Here is a photo of the 'curved link' bracket and a diagram of its dimensions, best I could do. The link, like the straight one, is 3/8" thick stock, 7/8" wide. Using the letter and number designations on the drawing, these are the other dimensions: Hole 'A'--7/16"; Hole 'B'--11/32"; Hole 'C'--3/8". Hole 'C' is where the bracket attaches to the rack. Attaches with a 3/8 SAE x 1" bolt, with a nut and starwasher. Other dimensions: 1. 7 3/8"; 2. 6 5/8"; 3. 5 1/4"; 4. 1 5/16; 5. 1 3/4"; 6. 7/16"; 7. 7/16"; 8. 7/8". SMB
  7. Dual sidemounts were, as far as I am aware, always an option on the commercial vehicles, at least as far as the commercial sedan and commercial panel (humpback) were concerned. Examples: The January 1933 Sales brochure for the "New Finer, More Beautiful Dodge Commercial Sedan" lists "six wheels mounted in fender wells" as available "EXTRA EQUIPMENT". The April 1934 sales brochure for the KC and KCL lists the same "EXTRA EQUIPMENT". The May 1935 sales brochure for the KC and KCL has similar language, "six wheels with spares mounting in fender wells". While none of those show a left (driver
  8. Tom--Hopefully this will simplify rather than complicate things. Attached is a series of pictures of the trunk rack on my 34 PE sedan, as well as of another rack and bracket set I picked up at a swap meet last year. I think you will find that the 2 holes at the front of the bracket are different diameters, one of them smaller. That smaller hole is for a locking pin or 'screw' as the parts book calls it to lock the rack in place when it is 'up' without a trunk on it. The ends of the two brackets, one straight (the one to the rear) and one curved (the one to the front) are attached to the su
  9. You are probably right about the copper. My reference was basically to the color as distinguished from the nickel. Attached is a photo of the emblem and it looks like copper.
  10. Probably has to be a 33 because the edging around the Plymouth emblem is brass and not nickel--I have never seen a 34 with anything other than nickel on the cloisonné edges.
  11. OK, took me awhile, but here are the pictures of the seat tracks and floorboard. Both are original 34 Plymouth. The tracks are slightly different from the 33 tracks your pictures show but I have a set identical to yours that were obviously originals in my 34 PE 4-dr sedan, which is a very early production (by the body number and it has the early style 34 grille shell) so I assume they were left over 33 parts. Those tracks are the same length as the 34s in these pictures, they mount to an identical seat frame, so the mounting dimensions are probably the same. The rear mounting bolt is 4-1/2
  12. Chris--Will yank the seat out and shoot a couple of pictures and post them Saturday. SMB
  13. Chris--Car is looking great, you are moving along much faster than I am on my 34. On the door dovetails, I don't have any but Dave at Dodge City in Jamestown apparently has some. On the package tray, my metal man fabricated the tray on my 34 based upon the photo of the red 34 further up in this thread and following the curve on the back of the seat frame. We left it moveable (attached with sheet metal screws temporarily, to be welded when finalized) and I have just finally located and trimmed it. Used the dimensions I had, plus those in the AACA Dodge forum on the convertible 34 that is be
  14. Chris--We all know that there are often differences between the factory advertising material and the way cars actually left the plant, but attached is taken from the 33 sales brochure, showing the vermillion reveal on a gray convertible. SMB
  15. Those of us who knew Al miss him still, despite his passing years ago. He was a great help to all of us with 33 and 34 Plymouths and Dodges. Just for clarification, the Dodge 'cabriolet' in the lineup was actually a roadster pickup. Don't know what happened to it, whether Mike Northcott (also passed away, former operator of Dodge City) bought it as part of the splitting up of Al's inventory. I know Mike got some of it, some of it went to Sacramento and some went to Roger Hamilton.
  16. Ok, here are a couple of photos of the top well we built for my 34. Keep in mind that it is NOT COMPLETED and I still think the front needs to come back about 1 inch more before I weld it up. I am also trying to get an exact 'B' dimension from a solid original car.
  17. Chris--I don't have those dimensions that I can represent as 'original'. Attached is a photo of my convertible when we dug it out of a ditch in the mountains--the seat surround had been cut out, so we 'estimated' the distance when we fabricated a replacement, based upon photos. upon where the top bows fold up, i.e., the bows have to clear the seat surround and fit into the well, and that the seat has to nestle into the surround. The photo of the red 34 convertible under resto that is in this thread further up is the major source I used for creating the replacement. SMB
  18. Chris-- Here are a couple of photos of the standard closed car rear view mirror. It mounts through the header panel into the body at the top edge of the windshield opening. Obviously, this type will not fit any of the open cars, 33 or 34, where the mirror bracket attaches directly to the windshield frame. At least the 34 parts books show only one type for any of the closed cars and I have never seen any other style than this one on a 34 closed car. Hope this helps somebody. SMB
  19. Chris--Spent some time looking at photos on the web, think you are right on the posts, probably 31 Chevy cabriolet. As to the part numbers on the Mopar windshield posts, my books show all the same numbers for the posts and the insert glass channel run for the 33 PD Plymouth, 33 DP Dodge, 34 PE Plymouth and 34 DR Dodge. Those numbers are: Right Windshield Post 452142; Left Windshield Post 452143; Right Glass Run 452435; Left Glass Run 452436. On the discussion we had regarding the rear view mirror, I think your 33 and my 34, although they use the same posts and brackets, have different r
  20. Chris--Thanks again for all of the photos and info, motivating me to get my 34 convert on the road. On the frames interchanging, that does appear to be true of at least the 33 and 34 Plymouth converts, which matches up with the part books that show the same part numbers for both. I don't know about other Mopar products and I offer as an example a couple of photos of a set of very similar windshield posts, slightly differenct reveal, glass channel more centered, slight differences throughout. Maybe Ed Peterson or Jim Benjaminson of the Plymouth club have an answer. Keep up the good work on
  21. Chris--What is the distance between the center lines of the outside rear view mirror mounting holes? I know the center hole is only one side and for the bumper that hits the hood center strip. Do you have remnants of the original bumper and, if so, what does it look like? Thanks. SMB
  22. Tom--Here is a picture of a 34 PE floorboard which is basically the same as the 33, with some slight differences. The mounting is the same. It is all one piece and sits on top of the angled supports on either side that Chris discussed. These supports are notoriously weak and they always bend where they are welded to the floor and generally bend. I am not sure what the backing is on a 33 but my 34 Dodge humpback panel (which is basically the same in this area as a 33 Dodge/Plymouth) has a small block of wood attached to the underside to support it. In any event, the floor is one piece of s
  23. Tom--Chris is right about the floor. From the pictures I posted you can see about what we mean. All of the floor behind the seat is welded in steel. There is a steel sill, about 4" or so wide, down each side with a ledge to set the floorboards into. The portion of the floor under the seat (and to which the seat tracks mount) is wood/plywood with a couple of hardwood runners on top and below where the seat tracks mount (although I have seen ones without that runner on top, with the metal seat tracks mounted directly to the plywood). This also has the battery cutout, with the door covering
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