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  1. I always make sure to 'gird my loins' when in discussions with ply33 because of the wealth of information he has at his fingertips.  I am at somewhat of a disadvantage today because the Christmas decoration boxes are all in front of my Plymouth/Dodge reference stash, but I am certain that at least some of the 34 Plymouths have a round (as opposed to an oval) gas tank.  Two reasons:  First,  I have had 3 PEs or the 'Deluxe Plymouth' and at one time was purchasing what was purportedly a complete PE chassis but when it showed up it was a shorter, PF or 'New Plymouth Six' chassis which, despite having an independent front suspension, was on the shorter frame and had a round gas tank which was obviously original. Second, the advertising brochure from Plymouth from 1934 covered the 'New Plymouth Six' and the 'New Deluxe Plymouth', i.e., the PF and the PE.  The brochure had specs for both lines.  While the 'New Deluxe Plymouth'/PE lists the fuel tank as being 15 gallons, the 'New Plymouth Six'/PF lists the fuel tank are being only 11 gallons.  I would assume that the PG, since they all came with PF engines, also used the 11 gallon tank.  I believe there is a short mention of this distinction in the excellent Plymouth Bulletin on the 34s, but can't get to my copy at the moment.  Cannot confirm at this time but I also believe the rear cross member over the gas tank is the same on both models, so I assume they will accept either tank.  The coupe/sedan distinction remains, however, despite the PE/PF/PG distinction, as the filler tube exits the tank at a different angle and they are not interchangeable.   Will try to post copies of those two spec pages from the 34 brochure.  

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  2. Couple of things to keep in mind.  First, although the 33 Dodges and Plymouths look very similar to the 34s, the tanks are much different.  The 34s are generally oval while the 33s are rounded.  Possible exception would be the PF and PG Plymouths in 34, which I think also had the round types (which hold less gas).  I would think either tank would fit on the PF and PG because the frames are the same in the rear (but different lengths from the 114" 34 PE and the PG has a beam axle in the front).  Most important, the coupe tanks are different from the sedans in the way the filler neck comes out of the tank, they do not interchange.  The Tanks people know that and they offer both coupe and sedan tanks.  SMB

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  3. 22 hours ago, Marty Roth said:

    Well,

     

    This thread Hydra-Matically Jetted Away like Greased Lightning  from the "clutches" of the intent,. 

     

    Our 1915 Hudson was already a used car before my parents were born,

    Mom and Dad were elementary school students when our 1930 Packard was delivered in Monaco,

    and they were high school students when our 1937 Roadmaster Phaeton was delivered for Fiorello LaGuardia's parade car use,

    yet, I'm sometimes asked if I'm the original owner when driving any of these.

     

    I was an elementary school graduate and bonafide car-nut when our 1954 Cadillac convertible was being drooled over in the showroom,

    the '41 Caddy convertible must have been just a "Used Car", having hit the streets of Asheville, NC more than a year prior to my natal day,

    and yes, I'm sometimes asked if I'm the original owner.

     

    When I started my first Post-Graduate  career, our Marina Blue Metallic, 4-speed stick shift '65 Corvair Monza convertible might have graced the local US-33 Car Hops and cruised to the Jersey Shore. While I could conceivably have been an original owner, a used '59 Chevy Del-Ray 2-door 6-cylinder with 3-on-the-tree and a bad rear wheel bearing was affordable while I paid off my Student Loan and several other expenses.

     

    Near the time I started my third career, our red 1988 Corvette convertible was newly purchased by my cousin, and is still a single-family car.

    Sorry folks, last thing I wanted to do was to hijack this thread with my comment about the 68 Firebird OHC Six.  Back to the topic of being alive when our cars were built.

  4. In about 1975, coming from Long Beach to Del Mar California with my friend Mike in his 6-cyl Ford pickup, circa 1960.  Half way home, truck just dies, we look under the hood and the fuel pump is just barely hanging on with one bolt.  Turns out my friend had just put a new fuel pump on, which had thicker bosses and the 3/8" bolts from the original were too short.  He probably had engaged only a thread or two of the bolts into the block and they vibrated out.  Lucky lucky, about 30 yards up ahead is a tow truck over on the side tending to another stopped vehicle.  He had a couple of bolts in his spare bin that fit and I bolted the pump on securely.  While stopped, we had noticed that the right rear wheel looked (and smelled) to be getting hot.  Pulled the wheel and the drum and backed off the drum brake shoes a little and the noise we had been hearing stopped.  Off again...

     

    About 30 miles further down the freeway we are taking the off ramp to the right at Del Mar, my buddy suddenly states that he has no brakes.  Ramp dumps you right into a busy intersection where the Del Mar Racetrack (horses) lets out and we go bombing through the intersection, no brakes, don't hit anyone but then 'clunk' and we get thrown to the right.  I look out the passenger window and we are being passed by our own right rear tire, brake drum and axle, all in a bouncing assembly, axle hanging out of the side, which somehow manages to miss a brand new BMW.  We end up sitting in the center of the intersection, right rear of the rear end ground into the pavement, with oil pouring out of the rear end and ignited by, I assume, sparks from our slide across the road.  My buddy tries to put out the fire with a bottle of water he has in the cab, no luck, until finally an attendant from the gas station comes out with a fire extinguisher and puts the fire out.  Then lifted the right rear with a floor jack and wheeled us off to the side of the road.

     

    Never rode in any of Mike's cars or trucks again, particularly those he had worked on.   

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  5. There may have been good times but, as above, lots of things I would not want to live through again, for example the polio epidemic of the 50s, which now we have a vaccine against.  In any event, I make it a rule to never buy a car that is younger than I am (1953).  However, I will make an exception if I can find a white 68 Firebird coupe with the Sprint 250 OHV six...

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  6. On 11/29/2021 at 9:49 AM, JACK M said:

    That was my thought when you first posted.

    I think your are right.  Just located in my Chrysler parts book two different Chrysler horn buttons for the 'C16' Chrysler, which I believe is a 1937, one of which says for standard wheels, the other of which says for steering wheel with 'stainless steel spokes', i.e., the Chrysler banjo wheel.  Looking for my 37 Dodge parts book which I will bet has a similar distinction.  

  7. Just occurred to me why these will not fit the coupes:  Those do not have exposed bolts to attach the bumper brackets (and these tail light brackets).  The coupe bumper brackets extend in through a slot in the joint between the rear fenders and the gas tank apron, bolting to the side of the frame and not to the end of the frame horns.  So the bracket you have will fit 2-door and 4-door sedans but not coupes.  Photo of 34 Dodge DRXX attached for comparison.

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  8. These two part numbers also correspond to 34 Dodge Sedan, left and right sides.  Note that I believe the coupes are different, mounting to the fenders as opposed to mounted like this one to the bumper bracket bolt (I have a 34 Dodge DRXX coupe). The 34 Dodge sedans have a 'duck tail' rear body, without a separate gas tank cover such as is on the coupes and on all of the 34 Plymouths.  34 Dodge parts book lists these as "Tail lamp bracket (DR Sedan up to 3736930 on all and after 6736930 on cars with form fitting trunk, DRXX up to 4002861 on all and after 4002861 on cars with form fitting trunk, DS up to 4529889 on all and after 4529889 on cars with form fitting trunk)".  Hope that helps expand the applicability.  SMB

  9. Thanks for that but I wonder if there is a more specific application.  The photo you sent is a 36 but it is on a 'banjo' wheel.  This is the only photo I can find of this particular button, every other 36 I have seen has the single ram without the 'Dodge' wording.  Maybe it is specific to the banjo wheels?  I seem to recall that the Chryslers had a similar distinction with the larger models in the 30s.  Thanks again for your help.  SMB

  10. I have always thought that one of the most enjoyable parts of owning an old car is the interaction with 'civilians', i.e., non-old car owners, at car show events.  Agree with the above comments about not letting folks climb in and mess around with things, but people always seem to appreciate/enjoy hearing about the vehicles and their various features.  My cars are 'drivers' and not Pierce Arrows or high end cars, only 34 Plymouths and Dodges.  People all seem to light up and engage when I show them how the 'dual ventilation' front windows work on these cars (vent and window operate separately, throw a lever and the entire window frame, including the vent, lower into the door) and they comment on Chrysler engineering even 'back in the 30s'.  Older folks who remember these cars from their youth provide some of the most interesting stories I have ever heard--one older gentleman told my wife and I stories of loading bombs into B-24s in Italy during WWII.  Bottom line, WE ARE ALL AMBASADORS FOR OUR HOBBY.  Next time restrictive 'old car' legislation is introduced, maybe someone will remember their conversation with you and vote our way.  That youngster that you showed the side mounts and suicide doors to may some day join our ranks and take over our roles as stewards for these these old piles of wood and iron.   

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  11. This is probably the animal you are looking for.  This one is my only one for my 34 Plym PE and 34 Dodge DRXX (both independent front suspensions) but they turn up fairly regularly on ebay.  It is a 'No. 84' and shows it fits 34 PE and 'all Plymouth and Dodge 35 to 41'.

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  12. OK, have a quick request out to a member who has a GORGEOUS 34 Chrysler RS coupe for sale that looks original, asking if he can shoot me a photo of what it has in it.  In the interim I scoured my photo files and found the following two photos that are only labeled as 'DeSoto', so I assume they are from a 33-34 Desoto RS Coupe.  Not the clearest photos but looks like something that could be fabricated to fit at the end of the rumble seat edge channel and then run down with a steel or copper or plastic line out the bottom at the rear.  I agree, don't think you can keep water out of here completely, so a couple of drain holes (much like in the bottom of a door) will still be needed.

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  13. Absolutely gorgeous, cannot buy another 34 Mopar or my wife will kill me in my sleep.  Already have 2 Plymouths and 2 Dodges.  Quick request, I will understand if you do not respond.  Could you possibly shoot a photo of the rumble seat gutter around the lid where it drains at the back?  The gutter cannot go all the way back because it needs to clear the lid when it is opened.  Have been looking for a photo of one as original so I can fabricate for my 34 PE convertible (there is a separate topic I have running elsewhere).  There must be some sort of tube or channel to route the water back and out of the body shell.

    Further question:  This Chrysler has the only trunk rack installed with the emblem on the bottom, i.e. with the straight edge of the rack at the top.  Every other Mopar rack has the emblem at the top.  Can you tell if that installation is original?

    Good luck with the sale, somebody should snap this up, great car.  SMB

  14. 49 minutes ago, 46 woodie said:

    The left hand emergency brake was discontinued in June of 1928, so it is a very early car. Please if you have any contact with these bozo's try to convince them to do the right thing and save it. If there is any way to get an engine number, we can get real close to a build date.

    Somewhere buried in the comments they did post the engine number. There is a response from a MAFC guy who says that gives an April 1928 build date.

  15. OK, need some help from our Canadian brethren on this.  Couple of knucklehead, 'Wayne's World' types have snagged a fantastic barn find, a 27-early 28 Model A Ford 'AR' out of a shed that is absolutely original and in great shape.  Right down to the Powerhouse generator, red steering wheel and left side parking brake.  Despite numerous comments trying to help them identify and talk them out of butchering this one, they seem bent on screwing it up--which is not only destroying the car but also the potential cash value it would have to them if they put it on the market.  Maybe somebody in their neighborhood can talk them out of the car.  See attached YouTube video and note there is a second one that was just posted a week or so ago.  I am all for everyone being able to do what they want with their own car and have built a couple of mild 'resto-rods myself, but this is too rare and somebody needs to save this A. If link doesn't work, look up 'Muddy Rascals'.

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aFFT1lCxlw     

     

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