Pete K.

With the fuel tank cover shown, the two openings for the filler and the gauge right next to each other is the same for the '25 Dodge. All I do know is "earlier" tank covers had the holes off-set from each other a couple of inches. But how earlier? See if you can read the serial number stamped on the frame right near and slightly above the rear leaf spring hanger on the FRONT RIGHT spring. It may start with an "A" and have 6 digits after. Again, this will be behind the front right wheel on the frame.

Tony, I didn't even notice the drawing of the spare tire mount. It is not what my '25 has on it, which I am certain it has been on the car all it's life. Mine has a flat, bottom cross piece. SO.... Is that Ajax #102 jack for the '25??? Were export Dodges equipped with different jacks? Were the tools and jack even shipped with the exported auto's? I don't recall this question being raised here on the forum before. Machinist Bill, you may have the right idea after all. This Dodge will never be a showpiece car so I may settle for something of the era, but it does bug me, why don't I find the correct jack? They ARE out there, and some very affordable ones too.

Joe, I agree with Jason, condition is a key link in the plater's bill. If you do your own grinding and polishing before hand, it will reflect on the final cost. Also, it depends what state your plater is in. The EPA has very strict rules now for the plater and his shop whereas those extra costs are passed onto the customer. As I am not quite familiar with '31 Dodge bumpers, other than they are most likely the solid, bar-type bumpers, any scrolling or scalloping on their faces would bring up the price a bit. If bumperettes are also included in the deal, I would guess we're talking around $650. minimum, to $ 1100. max. PLUS SHIPPING, if need be. I may need a "wake up call" too, if the prices have gone higher than that. I no longer send my plating to any local shops here in my state, for the reasons I stated about the EPA. I send parts out to a shop in Villa Park, Ill. Even with shipping, I come out WAY ahead. Good luck Joe.

Thanks Keiser! Too bad it comes with a big boat anchor jack too, but if they sell for a few bucks plus the $16.00 shipping, it's too good of a deal to pass up. Don't know why I can't get the listing here. I must be blind. Maybe I can re-sell the malleable iron jack. I also got a PM from a gent who said he had an Ajax type jack. I will call him also. I guess the old adage holds true," When it rains, it pours".

I'll be dog-gone if I can find it. There was a similar one with a flip top .

Thanks John for your input here. Now I have another jack to look for. I've actually had that jack some time ago and gave it away before I owned the Dodge!! Thanks kindly everyone.---Pete

Tony, You win the Man of the Year Award here. Thank you. I have seen this same jack before. I will find another locally since New Englanders don't throw anything of value away--ever.

Bill, At least you responded. I wish you well with the hydraulic jack and hope you'll not need it on the road. Jay and I will carry some sort of jack 'till "The Real Thing comes Along". I'm beginning to think everyone carries a AAA card and has the car piggy backed home so their wife can change the tire! Getting back to reality,(or was I really THERE ?)... I would think the Dodge Brothers jack would have remained the same in appearance for a number of years throughout the 1920's, making the jack much more easier for us to find one these days. Unlike Ford during the short four years of the model "A", he had no less than 8 different jacks. Any info is greatly appreciated.---Pete.

Does ANYONE carry a jack with their '25??

A fairly rare car, in true survivor condition; $8500. - $11,000.. in my opinion. The trunk back is better than a rumble seat any day.

WOW! That's a beautiful job you've done with that Dodge wheel. I never really took note that the wheels were two-piece with a scarf joint on either side. I must be blind. I wish someday I can get my '25 wheel to look as nice! Thanks for posting it Charley.

Packard used Hall lamps at least on a '27 Packard 426 I once had. Yours, being brass would date it to pre-1918 maybe?

There's one thing I need when touring is a jack for the 1925 Dodge Brothers auto. I used to have a selection of early car jacks that would've worked OK, I must have sold or given them away. I would like to know what the '25 Dodge Brothers jack actually looked like. I did find that there many different old car jacks on the internet that I can count and they all seem to be "Dodge" jacks! Is there any distinguishing marks on the right one?

Very nice looking steering wheel! Someday I hope I get the time to re-do my wheel and hope it comes out as nice. The "clamp marks" you speak of, look to me to be tell-tale marks from a "spinner" or "suicide knob" as some refer to them by. They were a small clamp-on device with an integral rotating knob, to use as an easier, faster way to turn the steering wheel. Outlawed in most states when the knobs were found to be at fault in some accidents when the sleeve of the driver got caught on the knob when negotiating a turn and jammed the wheel.

Mike, I would appreciate it if you sent me Tim's e-mail address too. I've not ordered from McMaster-Carr yet for any fuel fittings which I need also. Jason, I don't have any part numbers, but Tim would know exactly what's needed. I would give Ray the first shot though, if Tim's stock is very limited. I can always figure out the right size from Mcm-Carr at a later date. Ray, let me know after you're done with an order from Tim.

Yes, They've been around about as long as worn engines have existed. Usually they were a cheap fix for masking a problem of worn cylinders /piston skirts. I would never use them in a classic car today. They also used to sell little metal rings with a piece of felt inside that would crimp onto your overhead valve engines at the valve stem and guide, to keep excessive oil leaking past worn valve guides and burning the oil. If you ever get a chance to read through an old Pep Boys or Western Auto catalog, you'll see MANY doodads for your car like those piston expanders.

Ray, I've had trouble locating these fittings for the Stewart system that Dodge used until I found a company that does sell those fittings. It is called "McMaster-Carr". You can see their catalog on-line at-"mcmaster.com". They claim to have over 490,000 items. I believe it too! As far as the rear bumper brackets go, I don't know if Dodge or an after-market company supplied different, longer brackets to use with a trunk or not. Perhaps the trunk adapted to the original brackets?

OK Mike, First, tip the Dodge on it's side.--------------!! I'm STILL finding ball bearings on the barn floor. It sounded like a Pachinko game when I started playing around with my '25's windshield pivots. It's missing the odd little washers, springs are mis-matched, took me all day to find enough ball bearings to make it work again. It DOES swing in & out fine, but I have my doubts if it will stay together on a bumpy road for long. I remember using a skinny screwdriver with a dab of grease to hold and place the bearings back in. I never want to do this again.

Ray, to answer your question, the bumpers on the car were actually GREEN and WHITE with corrosion when I found it. It sat in a barn only a quarter mile from the ocean and as you may know, the salt air is murder on plating. A lot of elbow grease using Noxon #7 chrome polish did the trick. I need to rub a coat of non-abrasive paste wax on them since the car is still less than a mile from the acidic sea air. The crummy upholstery seems to enjoy it though. Ray, you must be quite a machinist or metal worker to undertake a job of MAKING your own bumpers! They're 61" long, 1-3/4" wide bars 3/16" thick. Spacing is 1-3/4" between the two bars. The bumperettes are 6" tall as they overlap the bars. The 4 piece bumper BRACKETS are a nightmare of bends, angles and right /left action going on. (fronts are simpler). I have never seen one of these bumpers on E-bay before, so maybe you've got the right idea. Mike, I've been looking at the Firestone's quite a bit, also the Coker Excelsior comp V, 5.50/6.00 X 21. They are a bit larger than the Firestone tire, but I'm unfamiliar with them. Does anyone have some input about these tires???

I think you've done a great job on that old steering wheel. Believe it or not, they were originally completely covered with a baked on black enamel, even the aluminum spokes. I don't think the center hub portion is of a different material. It is all one casting but what you're seeing is the wear mark when it was on the steering column. One spoke should have a part number, C-18866, on the back side. The cleaned up wheel on my '25 looks exactly like yours! That aluminum alloy is really tough!!--As you know.

Thanks so very much for posting those great pictures Ed!! I'm not so sure that isn't the carb that belongs on that car since it is way different than the slightly later 1920's Dodge carburetor. I have not seen that before. If it works, use it until you find the original, if that really is the case. I've not seen that early style starter/generator before either! I believe the glove box "nacelle" is made for an accessory hand wind clock. I've seen them for sale on E-Bay It is my guess that the hand operated horn may be an add-on. I also believe the car is supposed to have a 6 blade fan like the one I have in my barn, for sale too! The previous owner had the fuel pump added on like many old car owners use, because they don't know, or don't trust the original vacuum tank system. They work FINE when restored! I seem to think the Stewart vacuum tank on your car is of a later date, but will work fine if gone through OK. The original was a bit narrower with a flared top. The only thing I would change sooner than later is to lose the black plastic conduit for the driver's side wiring and go back to the original metal flex conduit. It is easy to find. Keep us posted Ed, and thanks again,--- Pete.

Joe, two things come to mind-- Spark advance not working, engine is running too retarded. This can make it sound burblely. The other is the muffler being stopped up a bit with a mouse nest, or you're not running a muffler at all. Is the backfire coming out the exhaust or popping loudly out the carb??

When it comes to old coils and old cars, I try and use correct, original coils but I expect any one of them could fail on the road, so carry a known good one under the seat. I have an 87 year old coil in my Dodge, still going strong--but for how long? Perhaps longer than I.

Curti, You've got a beautiful car! Simichrome is a good polish, no doubt, as I have a tube in my shop. It works best on TARNISHED metals, as I find that a bottle of the NOXON #7 metal polish works better on rust of any sort, followed by Simichrome or just wax. Just my 2 cents-- as far as the paint, I don't think there's much you can do other than just leave it alone and enjoy it.

I thought I'd post some pictures of the '25 Dodge, as I had more driveway time with the engine running quite well now, although I must have a problem with that darned rack & pinion in carb, as it needs half choke to keep running. (no vacuum leaks). It was a balmy 73 degrees today, not many of them left in the late part of October here north of Boston. I compounded out the right side paint and my aching joints told me to end that for now. Going to the Registry to pay the sales tax and apply for title next week. I still need new tires, as I expect the old, right rear Firestone will go out with a BANG sometime very soon. The other tires are very old Lesters, great tread still on them but they're as hard as stone! Any ideas on proper tires for the old girl? (tight budget though). The fuel vacuum system is working great. I'm so glad I installed that Ford Model "A" stand-pipe filter in the bottom of the vacuum tank that I described in another old post. I'm sure it's doing it's thing, since I KNOW there is still some residue of rust in the gas tank that I just couldn't get out. As a proud Dodge Brothers car owner, I'll have to lower my standards now and take the little Model A downtown to buy a newspaper for my afternoon coffee. Cheers all!