Bud Tierney

Please remind me how to open PMs on this forum; I promise to write it down this time...Bud Tierney

W@ell, By Cracky, Briscoe DID have three engines... The original show car was imported from France with Briscoe-Freres (Briscoe Bros French operation) motor described as 31/5 (no typo) x 51/8, 80x130 CC in Metric, advertised to prospective dealers on 8-8-14 with that engine, , and again advertised as a "foriegn car" to sell on1-16-15..... Slogan was "A French Car At American Prices"...ealers on 8-8-14 with that engine,...

Looks like Briscoe just had the two---parts catalogs are weak reeds to lean on, but better than nothing...

Which one ?? Briscoe had a a 33 HP L-head and a later air cooled 24HP... Google'll be your friend here- if you want just info, search around for other owners, search in the period car journals for the announcements of the new models... Builders bombarded the journals with press releases, often describing engines in detail, especially "new" ones like Briscoe''s ...OOPS---looks like Briscoe might've had three engines in its lifetime... A 30 gasket catalog lists a 33/16x51/8 for model 24 1916-19, and a 33/8x5 for 1920-21; but Briscoes ffrst cars were 1914...what engine was in the 1914-15 models?? Wu\ill do more digging around and advise.

No, your Tucker's 36, not 21, but he probably had a four wheel conversion for it...

If the info you need doesn't turn up here, Googling Vintage Fire Trucks or Antique fire trucks should bring up at least a couple old fire truck websites that could be hepful...

I dealt in literature, vehicle and otherwise, as a hobbyist, for probably twenty years in the 80s and 90s period...in the dozens and dozens, maybe hundreds, of mail transactions, buying and selling unseen, I can only remember one time when I sent an item and didn't get paid, and several times I had dealers send more than i was asking...consequently, it's all too easy to develop a kind of 'this's an honest bunch of people' outlook...

More depressing news---no real info in my old catalogs---a 1917 Burd ring catalog, with quite extensive listings, doesn't list any Milwaukee engine despite it also covering many marine engines.. That doesn't mean they couldn't've had a fair production tun; if just sold locally/regionally, and to makers who didn't advertise engine builder, parts companies may not've considered them worth stacking parts for in national catalogs..... Stf Cat says the Cuting (Clark-Carter Automobile Co, Jackson, Mick 11909-13) used Milwaukee and other engines.. The Wisc Cptn Comm should have company dissolution info; they might've reopg under fifferent name or been absorbed b another engine co who continued designs..the Milw Pub ZLib may have engine brochures etc in their local business history files....

My notes not any real help--- I'd forgotten a 1905 entry saying Milw Mtr & Mfg Co was incptd as Milw Motor Co, so apparently one company after all... I have no history or dissolution info...they were passing around a "very atrractive catalog" in Oct 1903, supposedly doing a good business in the Midwest, and wer still listed in Buyers Directories in 1915...you might try oldmarineengine as they were into gasoline marine motors as well as auto engines... Std Cat says they also built the Monarch car in Milwaukee 1903-04, nut decided to stick with engines. Std cat had no comments on what happened to engine co.( the Mpnarch had a 1cyl; thay were advertising a 4cyl vertucal in Feb 1905... Don't recall seeing more than an occasional Milwaukee engine refereence in my old parts catalogs; or old advertising..

A 36 King Prod catalog has one listing for 1916-23 V12, listing models 225, 235, 325, 335 Twin 6...if includes yours might broaden your search...(1915 125,135 Twin 6 shows different piston)...

Oddly enough, you might try the Pierce-Arrow people... , A 36 King Prod catalog lists one 29-33 Stude 8 (Pres 8, 80, 90, 91, 92) that shares the piston ass'bly with var 29-33 Stude trucks, Pierce-Arrow cars and trucks... Valves listing isn't that definite but seem to match altho spring change at eng FE22087 Bearings ??? can't compare as P-A bearings section only lists one 6 cyl (weird---P-A piston ass'bly goes to 36, valves only to 32, one bearing listed 6cyl 21-28???)..... Another oddity---optional alum piston offered for Stude in Stude section, NOT listed in P-A section...

There were two Milwaukee Motors – I think one the Milwaukee Motor Co and the other the Milwaukee Motor and Manufacturing Co, operating in roughly the same period, both producing inline fours per their advertising... I think. I can't lay hands on my M notebook; will dig it out and reply this PM...

Yard art inner tube tire has hole in its side?? Put a boot in it (make your own if have none) paint whatever shows black if wrong color shows....we drove on tires with holes in sides, altho sometimes had to go to reliners or tire-in-tire (hard to do without being bumpy).. Doesn't everyone have a few old tire boots in the basement??..

FLYER: Yes, and if I remember correctly Foley(??) offered that service too... I was surprised the 36 catalog didn't mention the replacement inserts should be fitted by a machine shop, but it may've been so obvious it didn't have to be mentioned..... I'm still sorting out Chrysler inserts; per my catalogs (weak reeds to lean on) some 32s had inserts but not all...

:Looking at my admittedly incomp0lete H-S list, two possibilities show... Their "I" a 31/4 b9re in a 1917 catalog... Their 2700. a 3/4 x 5 in a 1930 catalog...possibly you can find images to compare... Whatever you're able to decide upon, you can Google for announcements of their introduction in the Auto mags of the Day...The Automobile, Motor Age, Motor Way ad nauseum...these introductory announcements usually contain enough desc/specs for a solid ID...

The Kaiser Travelers (wagons) were functionally 3-door cars...outside they appeared regular 4-door sedans, but the spare was mounted on the inside of the left rear door, and it was either bolted or welded shut, did not open...had a 49, domn't recall ever looking to see if welded or what...

Just out of curiosity, looked this up in a 36 King products catalog, and came up with questions... As to dates, 32 for Chrysler (8s), 34 for DeSoto and 33 for Dodge and Pymouth per that catalog... ALSO noted, under Dodge, two con rod bearings for various pre-1918 to 1928 4Cyl's, one of which is pictures and seems to have slightly raised sides similar to a main... ALSO noted each of the four had bearings listed as " insert type to replace Cast-in-rod bearings"... Both the "pre-28" bearings and the replacements were listed as inserts in the catalogs numerical index, no mention of replacement rods ( I know some m'f'r's issued replacement inserted rods for some of their "poured" originals).... (1) So dodge had inserts, changed to poured and then back to inserts?? (2) How do you fit replacement inserts into the original poured rod, melt/grint out the babbitt??? Many thxx for any illumination...

Just ran across his old post by accident (ordinarily never check this section)... Lycoming parts generally not that easy to find; there was some commonality in engines, though, so if still looking for piston assembly, valves or bearings can check my old catalogs. If shared with other engine models may make search easier.....

Dort seems to be one of the nicer "forgotten" cars; Std Cat calls it a "fine little car", m'f'd by J D Dort, fmly business associate and lifetime friend of Billy Durant...per Std Cat he liquidated his company in 1924, sold the factory in 1925 and died that year (wound up the company per poor health??)... The ad raises an interesting question: Std Cat says all 4s were Lycoming, and a couple parts catalogs agree... However, one catalog, a 1924 Houpert piston catalog (25 pgs of 55-70 listings per page) lists a Dort 4cyl, no years listed, 3 inch bore, with a code name that does not appear anywhere else in the vehicle listings, nor does it appear anywhere in the separate Motors listings...rhat catalog lists other Dort 4s , Lycomings, of 31/4 and 31/2 bores... Mroz's Ency US Trucks (Dort built 3/4 and 1 Ton Van Deliveries) states "...many of the Dort vehicles were powered by 19.6 HP Lycomings..) (note: many, not all)... Std Cat lists the 1915-16 Dorts with a 17 HP, the 1917 with16.9 HP, the 19.6 HP not showing up until1918... None of which is conclusive, leaving the question: were some of the Dorts powered by an in-hose engine design, lndirectly referenced in the above ad, and possibly built by Lycoming???

If you're not already a member check the Durant Club (forum on this site) as the W4 seems to've been largely; if not completely, made for Durant/Star... .. Have you tried Monte's Eqpmt, NW of Chicago, obsolete Cont'l pats dealer, and PA Ross Machinery in Dallas, longtime Cont;l dealer sometimes helpful?? Doubtful you'll find an overhaul set; if you're reduced to scrounging parts piecemeal, the W4 shares piston assembly, valves and bearings with some other Cont'l engines; can send list if you think helpful...

EJB Yes, many thxx for the reminder the basic list was in the 12-77 issue, and I could blow it up enough to read all the names.. The copy of the list list I remember came up full size (after "checking the box on the page" per my notes) without having to blow up and squint (my set may have the capacity to sharpen fuzzy blowups but, if so, I've never learned to use it) so it may've died or been taken down in the years since. Again, many thxx!!.

Several tears ago (Freudian slip??) I was in a Lycoming engine list on Hemmings Blog (per my notes) and now I can't get it to come up... It was a list of the engine models, 4s first, then 6s and then 8s, with dates introduced, CID, b/s, and cars/trucks known to use... It's not the article with just makes names or the SIA article... Per my notes it originally came up under Blog.Hemmings.com/Lycoming engines, but that and variations I've thought of don't work... Can someone tell me how to bring this article/list up (presumably by Jan Norbye, but not necessarily)... Many thxx for any help/illumination...

Geez, I WAS WRONG!!! Somehow I mentally jumped from starter to dist (that catalog had starter parts but no starter numbers)... That was not only wrong, but, worse, stupid... What can I saY?? My apologies sounds trite, and is... I'll be carefull to double check in the future...l

Per a little Shurkit catalog 36 (both S1 abd S2) took AL, but shows two number---IGS40061 and 4006A-1, no info when changed (assuming A-1 some kind of improvement)...

Another case of too much time on my hands (it's drizzling here)... Which 30 DeSoto engine???...the 1929/early 30 K 3x41/2 174.95 (depression hadn't really got started, that's a little engine) or the late 30 31/8x41/8??? That little one seems yo've been an orphan, but a similar b/s taking the same head gasket shows up for the larger one in a 30 Chrysler CJ, a Dodge 30 DD and some unidentified Dodge trucks...in case he needs to broaden his search, is it the same engine, a pull-out drop-in interchange, ot just similar but not similar enough??... So many questions, so little time...