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Can anyone tell me how/where to find onfo on the V8 engines produced by "Colonial Motors/Colonial Motors Co" used in the 1917 Majestic models??? Various references to Majestic mention the Colonial engines without further ID for Colonial or their producer... Accessory & Garage Jnls 1917 specs show two engines: 3x5 and 31/4x5--- Chiltons Directory for 1918 has a Colonial Motors Co , Kresge bldg, Detroit, as an 8cyl gasoline auto engine m'f'r, and an ATJnl for 1921 shows the adds as Warren Ave , Detroit (number fuzzy) There's a squib in Motor Age 1922 that Apperson is merging with Supreme Motors and a Colonial Motors, but that doesn't seem to be my Colonial... Std Cat has a straight 8 Colonial, 1921, produced by Mechanical Development Cptn, San Francisco, but I've been unable to connect them... Nothing I punch in seems to help---any comments appreciated...Bud
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If you haven't pulled your gen yet, check a few simple things.... Belt fairly snug? (plenty of places on Google for feeling snugness)...belt not glazed or dried out, stiff, not oily?... Pop off band--is commutator nice clean coppery color?? Brushes not worn down to nubs?? if has spring loaded brush holders work one, should have good firm holddown on commutator...remove wires, clean posts AND wire connectors... if adjustable third brush (usually has slot on brush end of casing) third brush should slide easily by hand, might just need a little more output, should see some difference on ammeter...
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Let's face a little reality here...it's one thing to let kids have fun in, on, around and under (if not moving) a Model T or Model A, for which literally everything is available, but when we had a 32 Hupp I sedan (long, long gone, sorrowfully sold because of financial inability to restore) NO ONE get near it without close supervision, ESPECIALLY not kids... The Hupp did get beautifully (except for unusual paint job?) restored, then disappeared into Southern Cal...
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If not already thought of and done, do pass on what you've learned to the Graham club, for future owners...
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This's a classic illus of interchangeability of parts... Dufor apparently has acquired, or had made, a tie rod end that fits, well enough to work satisfactorily, the range of models Spinneyhill has listed above... My McQuay Norris May 1941 catalog (apparently issued monthly!!), however, lists several different numbers for those models I was able to match... My 1944 Sealed Power catalog almost (almost!) completely agrees, between the two giving a total of ten (count 'em, 10!!) different parts numbers...neither catalog, unfortunately, has a specs section, so I cannot compare dimensions... Did McQ-N and SP actually acquire parts wholesale from the (or an) original supplier, who sold them to both OE m'f'rs AND parts Co's, and therefor follow OE parts numbers??? SPINNEYHILL--did you possibly type TE28 when you meant TE58??? Altho McQ-N uses ES-- and SP uses TE--, their actual numbers are the same, and 58 is one of the ten numbers...
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Doesn't look like the Cameron illus I found, but didn't search extensively and don't know how much they varied over the years, if at all...
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ALSA: If you'll pardon my attack of denseness, I don't think I'm following your post above... "Suspension components 100% Graham"---did you mean produced by Graham, or produced to Graham specs??? I would've thought Graham, winding downhill, would've tried to cut expenses by using "off-the-shelf" components whenever possible... "They interchange..." I understand interchanging does not always equal a common manufacturer, but often does...not that a mainline wouldn't sell own manufactured parts to an Independent, especially with the old anti-trust worries of the Independents latter years... I've also been told replacement parts companies will sometimes list a part common to two or more makes that, while not EXACTLY OE specs for them all, is close enough to fit/work acceptably... Also, an oops--that Pontiac end also fits similar Olds---which I should've thought to doublecheck....
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Wellll...maybe this's helpful... First, if the Hollywood was the Cord body, and it was mounted on the Cord frame, the Cord-Aub-Dues people may be the ones to talk to (i don't recall if the Hollywood was front or rear drive)... If it was the Cord body mounted on a Graham frame, welll... My latest front end parts catalog is a McQuay-Norris 1941, which unfortunately only lists Graham to 1940 (and has no Cord front end info)... It does list, under Graham ".. 37-40 Standard and Special 6, 96, 108; sprchgr 116, 97, 107; Custom Sprchgr 120, 97, 107 (which sounds like it may be the complete line)...ES58 tie rod socket/end, which MIGHT'VE been continued into 1941... That catalog has no specs page, so I have no dimensions, but the ES58 is also listed for PONTIAC 37-38 6CA, 6DA, 6cyls; 8CA, 8DA 8cyls... You can probably get some comparison dimensions from the Pontiac forum here or other GM forums. Good luck
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Torque value and valve timing Continental engine
Bud Tierney replied to ThomasBorchers's topic in General Discussion
Oops, forgot Peerless---you might also try Peerless forum here (and Club?)---that McCord catalog lists Peerless 60, 61 1927-29 with both the 10E 31/4x4 and the 11E 33/8x4, but doesn't say whether both options or tone succeeded the other...interestingly, head gasket change under peerless shows 27-28 and 29-30... The 11E and 15E were either low prod engines or mostly went into vehicles with "own" engines...only the 18E seems to've had good penetration, and that mostly in lighter trucks... -
Torque value and valve timing Continental engine
Bud Tierney replied to ThomasBorchers's topic in General Discussion
Sheesh...my whole life is becoming Senior, with more or less lucid moments, instead of the other way around... Post your question on the Reo forum here (I believe you have to join the Reo club for access to their forum) as the 11E was in the Reo Wolverine, the "Mate" and the "15", as well as the Moon "72" per listings in the Cont'l engine section of a 1930 McCord catalog... The Reo section of that catalog lists a Reo 1927-28 with the 11E 31/4x4... Of course, since a lot of these catalogs don't agree, a 1930 wrist pin catalog shows REO: Mate, 15---1929-30---16E...33/8 bore Wolverine---1927-28---15E...31/4 bore That McCord lists 10E, 11E, 12E, 15E, 16E, 17E, 18E, 20E in one gasket group, showing two sizes, 31/4x4 and 33/8x4, but not which was which; head and mfld gaskets for 26-27 and 28-30 differ, oil pump, pan, gear cover all same... Have you tried Monte's to see what they have??: (garradmoon@montes@flash.net, or if no longer good montesequipmen.com..they've moved out of Chicago proper to the northwest 20-30 miles or so).... -
Torque value and valve timing Continental engine
Bud Tierney replied to ThomasBorchers's topic in General Discussion
Well, FWIW, I do have a little handbook covering Cont'l L-hd 4s and 6s, 33 engines from N56 thru B6427, it has IMX6132-1155 where printers bug etc usually goes. The 1155, if the pub date, sounds about right for the engines listed, which're considerably later than your E11 0r E15... It does have torques for heads, mains/rods, mfld, flywheels/housings and a few misc like oil pan, all broken down by size of bolt/stud, BUT doesn't mention new/old threads?? dry/oiled threads?? etc... Also has cyl head sequences, and an oil pressure page which states low idle pressure OK as long as above 5lbs...otherwise it's basically an ordinary tune up/troubleshooting guide.. Unfortunately my set refuses to transmit in anything but GB instead of normal KB..can xerox and mail with mailing adds... -
Assuming this's from a car, and that car clubs there have been no help, you might try an electric motor repair shop, especially one that's experienced with vintage elec motors...Larry W had a good suggestion, that there should be brushes available you can size/shape down to what you need. You might also mention what your starter is on; while my ignition catalog with starter numbers don't go back to 29, all the AL starters they do list have M-prefixes...MA/MZ-number, etc... If that's off something exotic or unusual, can you post pic of one; obsolete ign parts dealers here, like aerrebuild.com, could maybe replace them with pic/approx size...
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Concur---in younger years, in Riverside, bought an old 36 Sedan, we drove it all over, including up into the snow with the ski people , probably Mt Baldy?---had as good brakes as anything we've owned, and better than some, including discs...
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Had a page of Northway engine notes taken off a site that---as best as I can recall, which may not be correct--had something about Hemmings blog or classic cars in the website designation. Took it out the other day to update, and haven't been able to find it since!! Googling all kinds of combinations doesn't seem to bring it up...Searching here brings up 139 threads with Northway in the title, plus probably many more in the texts...already searched 53 threads on smokstak... The only detail I recall about the article was that it went into some detail about Northway models, including a statement why Northway added the "C" to their 110 engine designation for their C110... Does anyone here, by chance, recall that piece and where it is online, before I have to closet myself for the day in the archives???
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Need a replacement engine parts/clutch? catalog/s that I can use for vendor engine ID in trucks---Buda, Cont, Herc etc---with good/fair coverage of late teens to mid 20s; OK if includes cars/other eqpmt (Ag, Const etc). ALREADY HAVE good coverage from late 20s up... MUST have make, model ID with engine make model, like, f'instance: Dixie Flyer (car) "70" 1919-21 ..HS 7000 Menominee (trk) "H, D, 11/2 & 2Ton" 1917-19...Wisc UUB Yuba Ball Tread (tractor) "12-20" 1917-21...Wauk PU7 (tractor lists seldom include years)... Cash or trade??---have some non-engine 30s catalogs, misc old car paper items---Vaporizing Of Paraffin In High-Speed Motors (Elec Ign), Edward Butler, London, 1917; Elliots Auto'ble Power Plants 1923, Ency Am'cn Cars 30-42, Molony, Veedol 101 Tips For Motorists1922?, a few old ads, Worldwide Diesel Catalogs 65, 71-72?, a few old road maps?, various tag ends of old collection. Bud Tierney Email thru site or thru smokstak.com
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1940 Zephyr Front Suspension wanted
Bud Tierney replied to a topic in Automobiles and Parts - Buy/Sell
Have you tried the Lincoln Zephyr Club??? lzoc.org Looking at parts catalog listings, while the Zephyrs seem to have their own king pins and tie rod ends etc, there seems to've been little change over the years, so parts, either NOS or NORS, should be available... Totally replacing a front end/suspension/steering isn't the sort of thing done on a by guess-by golly basis, unless you want to risk ending up with some unusual/disconcerting/frightening handling idiosyncrasies...there're all sorts of geometry etc questions to be considered...take it to someone who's experienced in such work if you decide to have it done -
Just a couple notes to file for when you're driving it...we had one, not your exact model, but close...nice little car mostly, with two possible detracts, which may not apply to ypour model... Auto trans didn't stand up well to teenage son's driving (was fine with wife and I until he got his license)...... Rear end tended to dance around a bit on curves on gravel/unpaved roads; not major but clearly noticeable ..didn't try sack of cement in trunk, might've helped......
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Getting a new old car purchase ready for driving
Bud Tierney replied to gregleck's topic in Technical
Personally, I'm with Matt, but I'm old enough to have more sense now... One (among many) things to watch out for if you decide to drive it (after taking dei's advice to run it around locally as long as you can) is shrinkage of the soft parts while sitting: seals, brake cylinders, etc... A little dripping from an oil seal or trans seal is easily spotted when stopping, but pay special attention to wheel backing plates--you don't want to see any moisture from leaking.or detiorating wheel cyliinders... -
Your retired rebuilder won't suggest a couple he knows are reliable re' 1912 mags?? If you'll pardon the criticism, your post should've asked for someone familiar with obsolete Bosch mags; you don't necessarily want someone who's learning about obsoletes by tinkering with yours... More helpfully, if no one suitable turns up, tou might try smokstak; while it has an Antq Car/Truck forum, it's primarily into old engines, many with mags. I beliece there're a couple rebuilders among their sponsors; click on sponsors at top of page. You can search the site for comments, or just Google for users comments. Same with old-ag sites like ytmag, heavily into old tractors, primarily mags for years...
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The more I look through this Fitz catalog the less I know... Page 5 has that list of letter designations (each type a differing construction) and their general?? recommended?? uses, ten in all, the tenth, an "S" for "special types not covered by the above"; but in riffling thru the listings I see only an occasional such designation, including some letters NOT listed on page 5, which're probably internal Fitz coding (?)... "Uses" listed range from "MK"-"on light duty engines" to "A"-"generally to reduce compression (extra thick) to "M"-"on heavy duty truck, bus and marine engines"... And if that "MK"-"on light duty engines" replaced an OE part number different from the standard" OE part number, as in the above Buicks, how did the mfr and/or dealer tell which car had a light duty engine??? maybe only sold to little old ladies?? (but they tend to race the engines unmercifully).. The 9 constructions described are all metals of one type or another, and probably the "umbrella" tenth; did this mean any gasket could be ordered in the various types, or that each gasket had stamped/inked somewhere it's constuction type??... Maybe some Fitz expert will educate me....
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FWIW, my 50 Fitz catalog lists 0202 under a section entitled "Buick 8, Pas.-40 1934-36, 33/32x37/8, 40 1937-39, 40-50 1940-50 33/32x41/8"... It shows 0202 for Buick 34-42...it was available as standard", replacing #1323288, as 0202D thin, replacing #1320433, and as 0202MK="Metal-kore-Asbestos: Graphite coated asbestos with a barbed steel center with the barbs embedded into the asbestos" , replacing #1321396 and 1323288 Other head gaskets are listed in that section for 1946-49 40-50 Dynaflow, for 1950 50 Dynaflow and 1950 40-50 Conv. Trans.... Sound like that means 0202 fits 34-39 40 and 1940-42 40 and 50?? Most catalog entries are clearer... The only 70s listed in that catalog are 1946-49 taking Fitz 0457 (same three types listed) and 1950 taking Fitz O524, only listed in standard in that catalog(37/16x45/16)... That catalog has an array of ten gasket types for various uses; the MK is shown as "On light duty engines"...but, just riffling pages, the MK seems to show up mostly on manifold gaskets, hardly "light duty"...(!??!)...
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1924 Paige Continental 10A engine for sale
Bud Tierney replied to 31plymouth's topic in Continental Motors
Curious point about your valves... That 36 catalog lists 6J, 6T, 7A, 8A, 8AP, 9A, 10A as all having the same valves---1 15/16 head diam, 69/16 stem length and .372 stem diam with groove lock...the only difference in the valve ass'bly is that the 6J has it's own set of springs, and the 9a and 10A have their own springs... a 1944 Sealed Power catalog agrees with listing but has no specs... It's past my bedtime here; will comment on piston ass'bly, the AA and AP in AM... -
1924 Paige Continental 10A engine for sale
Bud Tierney replied to 31plymouth's topic in Continental Motors
Interesting/curious engine... Most of my period parts catalogs (1924-33)list the 8A, a couple list the 8AA, and a 1930 McCord gasket lists "Paige 6-66-70-21-24 1920-26...Cont'l 8AA-9AA-10A" in their Paige sections...that McCord is the only one of 8 period catalogs that mentions the 10A... That catalog shows the 8A, 9A, 10A (33/4x5)and the 6J (also 33/4x5)) and 6T (35/8x51/4) sharing the head, manifold, oil pan and gear cover gaskets listed...it does not list any 8AA or 9AA... A 1936 catalogs indicates the 10A shares the piston assembly with 8A, 8AA, 9A, 9AA and other Cont'ls, but the 10A is not listed in the valve and bearing sections, altho 8A appears under valves and 8A and part of 9A prod appearis under bearings... Replacement parts catalogs, of course, are never complete, often do not account for production changes and include the inevitable misprints... A preliminary conclusion is that the block available might also be of use to 8A.8AA/9A/9AA owners, and, possibly even 6J owners... -
You should also contact Andrew Mackey, who is a sponsor on smokstak and posts there under his own name. If not a V12 Guru as such, he has extensive knowledge of the Am-LaF models, and I'm sure would be of considerable assistance re' idiosyncrasies etc.. Click on his name on any post there and a contact box will come up.