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Hi Stakeside, In my original post, I was trying to figure out what I had bought. It was on the 21" wire wheels in those original pictures. DWollam identified it as a sports roadster. Since then I found the serial number on the frame and it is definitely made late in 1927. The 21" wire wheels don't seem to be very common. They are on a six lug bolt hub and used a nickel plated ring instead of individual clamps at each of the clamp bolt locations. Thankfully they share the same outer rim as the 21" wood wheels because I was able to purchase a set of the more common wood wheels to get rims and the hardware. Sorry for the confusion. Even the title of this thread is wrong now that I know it's a 1927 not a 1926 which is what I was told by the previous owner.

I'm sure l'm not alone in having too many projects going at one time. I have jeep commando torn apart in the middle of my shop, a garden to get ready for planting, and we've been working on my daughters camper so she has a place to live while she looks for more permanent housing where her new job is about to start. All that without counting my job. So just to gain a little more space in the shop so I can start digging into the DB engine I decided to work on the rims and tires of the DB to get a pile of hardware, a pile of tubes and flaps, a stack of rims, and a stack of tires to combine into one stack. Got the rims primed and painted, the hardware through rust removal, and cleaned loads of rust off the flaps and tubes. (and got the camper done and the garden tilled). Three day weekends with nice weather are awesome. Most of the rims were in pretty good shape the spare is pretty pitted. I used a rust converting primer, then sprayed on cold galvanizing. The galvanizing spray looked just like gray primer so I painted over that with Rustoleum aluminum finish. The wire wheels will be a light straw yellow but I wanted the silver color for the rims to look somewhat original. All the hardware and four of the rims are from Kelsey Hayes wood wheels which I was able to buy. The pitted spare rim is original to my car and the only one that was salvageable. I have some of the hardware and rings from the wire wheels but not a complete set. Wire wheels getting painted soon.

Rich, Thank you very much for the feedback.

Thank you for the response. I'm trying to get up the nerve to pull the head to free up two stuck valves and look everything over and drop the pan to clean it and check out the oil pump etc. before trying to get it fired back up. It turns over by hand and the previous owner said the guy he got it from had it running. Anything drastically different from the earlier engines I should know about or be ready for that you would suggest from your experience? I've owned it now for 10 years (shocks me when I see that) and it didn't look like it had run in quite a while when I got what was left of it. This is my favorite project to day dream about but the one I get the least done on. Most of my automotive repair experience is with AMC's ramblers and then jeeps and has been limited to remove and replace and maintenance.

Thank you for checking.

I was wondering if anyone could tell me which edition of the "Book of Information Dodge Brothers Motor Vehicles" would be correct for my car. I was lucky enough to find the 18th edition dated June 1926 in a local antique store. It is great to read but does not include my engine. My car was produced in the second half of 1927 after July 1 and has the fast four motor. I'm assuming the 19th edition is the one I need? Any suggestions for where to seek one out, are reprints available? Thanks for any insight.

Thank you very much for the information.

Does anybody know any details about this car? It's an image I found when looking for DB pictures and inspiration. Since my car has been cut up and is not original, I am looking for ideas for how to create some cowl back body work. I like Bob Zetnicks car and I like skiff body type boat tails but this car is pretty good looking as well. Reminds of Dr. Suess's "Go Dog Go" cars. Only problen for me is that it looks like the engine has been move back and I'd prefer to leave mine where it is. Either way, I'm still interested in any information about the car in the attached image. Thanks.

Thanks Stakeside. They are a nice carburetor also and clearly work well. Every DB of similar vintage to mine that I have seen or seen pictures of is running one. I may have a lead on a source for a few Stewarts near me. But since I already have the Winfield (because it came on the car when I got it) I just wanted to see what others experiences have been with one. Thank you.

Thanks for the vote of confidence for the Winfield Layden B. I like the look of it and think it will be fun to get it working again.

Thank you for the feedback. I do need to get it running. I have the Winfield partially disassembled and was able to free up the throttle and the choke which were both stuck. I've had it now for quite a while and have tinkered with a few things. The motor turns over by hand but it has two stuck valves. planning on pulling the head and the pan soon. I also have to go through the electrical system. My interest is still high but reality keeps the car pretty low on the priority list. Getting it running would get me some leverage to move it up the list. Even though the frame was cut to make a tractor, the drive train is all stock. I'm planning to lengthen the frame and torque tube back to stock (or near stock) and make a custom body from the cowl back. I love the look of Bob Zetnick's green and black car or I have considered a boat tail but more along the line of a skiff-body. It won't go back to original, but it would be a good use ( I hope )of what was left when I found the car. Thanks again for the feedback.

Thank you for the suggestion. I am just fiddling with the car so far. I have been collecting bits and pieces and have yet to dig in and get it going. Hoping to have time to get it running this spring and need to decide which route to take on the carburetion. The Winfield was on it but I have only seen DB's with Stewart Carbs which is why I was asking about other's experience. I am leaning toward using it because that's what was on it. The car was cut down to make a doodlebug. I don't plan to do a restoration just want to make it a car again (probably speedster/boat tail). So non-original is OK with me.

I have a Model M 201 A. So it's one of the early updraft ones and has a small bore. It was installed on my car when I got it but the throttle was stuck. I'm just starting to fiddle with it. It's a pretty cool carburetor and looks complete with the globe shaped choke assembly.

Has anyone run a Winfield carb on their Fast Four? My car had a Winfield Model M 201 A on it when I got it. I am working on the carb and was wondering if it would be better to find an original Stewart or if the Winfield would be as good or better. There seems to be quite a following for them with the Model T crowd. Any information or experience would be would be appreciated. Thank you.

Bummer. I was sure one of you guys would come up with a shop that has them on the shelf or one that could make them. As an alternative, would it be possible to press studs into the hub and use regular lug nuts to hold the rims on? My front wheels were off when I got the car and the previous owner used carriage bolts through holes drilled in six lug chevy rims (to get the larger dia. bolt pattern) to mount rollers. I removed my rear wheels by pulling the hub/drum/wheel assembly. The nuts were on the back (internal side) the bolts slide in from the outside. I've been considering pressing studs in from the back. My only concern is the two "keyways" in the hubs that the "keys" on the bolts slide into. Any ideas? Do you think this will work or will it give me problems?

Hello All, Does anyone know of a source for the lug bolts for the wire wheels for a 1927 Sports Roadster? I have repaired all four of my wire wheels and have secured the wheel rims from a set of wooden wheels and the rim bolts and tabs. I don't have a full set of the rings so I will run the hardware from the wooden wheels for now. My problen is that two of the wire rims were off the car when I got it and the lug bolts were missing. They are pretty unique bolts and I can't seem to find them no matter where I look. I have attached a couple of photos. They have a tapered shoulder under the rounded bolt head and two "keys" below that which slide into slots or keyways in the hub. I would appreciate any suggestions you might have for sourcing replacements. Thank you.

Hope this helps.

So sorry to hear about the car. I completely understand the heartbreak. I'm heartbroken for you, it is such a beautiful car. I am sure you will get it looking and working just as good. Good Luck.

Thank you. Congratulations on your car. I drool over the pictures frequently. I have been able to find a lot of parts for mine. It must have been very difficult before ebay and craig's list to find parts, but I run searches every day and watch new DB things pop up. I have two kids in college and a wife who isn't so excited about my project so I am trying to do a budget rebuild. It was a fairly rare car. A 1927 Sports Roadster. I bought it with the entire drive train but with a shortened torque tube and frame. The only body parts left were the cowl and hood. I have found a radiator cover, fenders, headlights, and lots of smaller misc. parts. The best part is that it had all four original wire wheels. I have been able to repair the one damaged one and should have them back to rolling condition this spring. It has been a fun project already just in doing research and parts collecting. I have hardly started though and there is a lot to do. Have fun with the car, it is beautiful.

I love the car as well. I am working on a 1927 roadster that was cut into a doodle bug. I'm mosting collecting parts to get it back to being a car. The roadster you like is one of my go to's for inspiration. There are more pics and info in it at the two links below. https://news.classiccars.com/pick-day-1924-dodge-brothers-roadster/ http://www.grautogallery.com/vehicles/3710/1924-dodge-brothers-roadster

That's a bummer. i already bought the wheel. But thanks for the info.

Thank you.

Will a steering wheel from a 1926 fit a 1927 fast four? My 1927 has the spark and throttle advance on top of the steering wheel i think the earlier cars had the spark advance below the wheel on the column. Will the '26 wheel fit my '27? Thank you.

I had a great day this past Sunday. I got to meet Loose nut and see his 1926 DB which is ready for the road. It was fun to share information, trade parts, make friends and get motivated to work on my car.

Hi Loose nut, I am no expert. What I know I've learned from others on this forum. But here goes anyway. Yes, the number on your frame (right side near the rear mount of the front spring) is the cars serial number and should be what is on the ID tag. There are posts on this forum that you can find the serial numbers by year. When I purchased my car it was being sold as 1926. However, the engine and other things didn't match with the 1926 year. The serial number confirmed the production date as late 1927. Hope that helps. Good Luck with your car.