Life is funny. I was looking for the origin of the phrase, 'do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with mustard'. I still havent found it, and in the meantime, I found this website instead. But I digress, I know part of the answer to your question. In Los Angeles in the 60's and 70's, the olders guys called them,''duece and a quarter''. If I had got to the question shortly after you posted this, I might have been able to ask some of the guys who are no longer with us. But those guys, for the most part, are long gone. Ask any black guys and gals from los angeles over 50, although 70 would be the best age range to ask someone.