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Take a close look, a bargain...
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8 hours ago, West Peterson said:
I drove our Duesenberg, and felt the same way as you. I've learned since that the problem is that you and I have driven restored Duesenbergs with worn-out steering boxes (and probably other parts). They were restored to look pretty, but without the intention of being driven. Many people (maybe Ed included) tell me that when you drive a properly rebuilt Duesenberg, your assessment would change dramatically. Of course, it still won't compare to the 1934 Packard, but then, nothing before 1934 would compare with a 1934 Packard, and it got even better in 1937 (1935, for the Junior Packards).
I think I worded that wrong. What I was referring to is how easy and manageable it was, just ease on the steering wheel, no effort, quick. The overall feel of a Duesey belies what its actually doing. Keeping with traffic feels like you're just loafing along. Confident braking, easy clutch, but of course requires the art form of double clutching. NOTHING like a Packard to be sure. However, beer doesn't taste like Coca-Cola, and a 69 Caddy doesn't drive like a 69 Boss 302. I'd be hard pressed not to drive the wheels off a Duesy if I was of means to aquire one.
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Sold 12-10...
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Sold 12-10, sorry for the late reply...
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They're not all nice, but I agree most are worth our time. Showing a 34 Packard one time (go figure) and this old dude comes up and in cliche fashion, "Say buddy, just between you n me, what's that car worth?" "Well that's not something I like to talk about, maybe you can ask the owner when he gets back. But hey it's here, go ahead and look it over, we just finished it." "You did it?" "Yes, go ahead and enjoy..." I don't know how I knew what was next and he comes back. " How long does something like that take?" "There's in excess of 3,000hrs in it. We did the whole car, body off." In a rather gruff and judgemental way, "Well I dare say, wouldn't that have paid for a few college educations?" Without hesitation I replied "F'n, eh. Paid for mine." I got the desired response, he walked away.
However, by and large I've enjoyed and learned volumes from sharing this car experience with others. I rather like when I don't know who I'm talking to. Seems we get the real at that point, in fact from each other. Car ppl are the best in the world.
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It's a 2bbl adapter to the 4bbl manifold.
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Car has just received a new starter and drive, tune up, fresh oil n filter. It purrs like a house cat.
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See details above, asking $13,500
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Few more pics...
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Model 1472, 127" W.B., a 35,000 original mile survivor. New brakes, cooling system flush and service, new fuel system, former museum display. Sidemounts with covers, running boards, no O.D., interior is faded but fully intact. Black, nice woodgrain, dash plastic in excellent condition, chrome is about 75%. Can't finish, priorities. Asking $13,500 or best offer.
Msg here or call/text to:
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Thanks for looking, better hurry, shouldn't last long at this price.
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16 hours ago, Dave Mellor NJ said:
I think he means Stromberg and he is looking for the one that looks like a 97 or 48, the ones craved by the flathead guys.
Sorry, not even close to the flathead type carbs. Larger, proprietary, and surely more money. The Stromberg EE-22 ( and EE-23 for Super 8s) will not fit the familiar and common 3 bolt 97 (94 Holley, and Strom 48) or even the 4 bolt later Zephyr variant. Similarity ends with the name. I can't raise a rt hand to it but some other grand Marques also used the big EEs like Pierce Arrow and others.
I'd like to know if it's missing completely or just needs a good rebuild.
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I'll bring it back around. Yes, there are many cars that as a whole would be currently cost prohibitive to bring back to new. Certainly there are better ways to make money than collector cars but that doesn't take away the asset value down the road. If you're looking for a long term "finally got one" car then start with the best you can find. Try to avoid full body restoration on a generic 2dr HT, that is unless you have some weld, fab, body work skill you wanna use. Pay up a bit more now and set aside concerns about expense. I said earlier let he without a lease car cast the 1st stone. Even if today you're $5,000 over current market on a car you just finished you gotta ask yourself if you're selling it next month, keeping it for an unspecified time, or if it's indeed forever. In the last 2 asks it will return your cost at a minimum or the longer you own it might be worth more. Nothing new does that, right?
Like a good street race, ya gotta pick your spots or you'll get busted🤭 Ok, not like a street race, a little of my past was showing. But you get it tho, yes? Also, seek help. No not an head shrinker (sometimes maybe) but do some networking and find the guys who know the cars you like. See who's got what, where the part stash is, best artisans that may be less commercial in their endeavors. And unless the gotta-have-its hit super hard take your time. YOUR restoration means you know what you have. Done means at some level you called the bet and hope it was done as it should be. Only YOU know what that's worth to YOU. Sometimes it's priceless. Good luck, all is well, and spend it. You deserve it!
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Just in from the FWIW dept; I will always support and defend those who provide us with cars, goods, and services in this chosen life. I will always resent being (personally or indirectly) disrespected for my choice to engage in the activity of buying and selling. The childish notion that we're a theif, liar, or dishonest to the core is just that, childish. It's uninformed because at the heart of it this life is chosen, recreational, therefore how DARE I actually profit from it? Play time only, not a job. Tell that to my scars and burns and horror show of a spine from decades of hard work. One more thing, in this life you should be able to take sting now and then when you disrespect your fellow enthusiasts. This is a garage, a shop, a hangout with a buncha car guys. This isn't some tea and crumpets book club where our pinkies best raised at all times. I get dirt and grease under my fingernails. Is that next? "Eew, he's dirty. Aww, I'm telling."
In case some of you were wondering, now you know. No shame in my game.
Peace, love, grease and Turtle Wax bruthas...😎
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That above reminds of the guy who bought Super ign system said to give 30% better gas mileage, a wonder carburetor said to make mileage 50% better, and set of low resistance tires that claimed 25% better fuel mileage. Put it all on and the dadgum gas tank overflowed!
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You're all missing the elephant in the room. Yes it starts and runs, but backwards! 1 fwd speed and 3 reverse!🤭 🤪😅
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This is sincerely a very good buy. I wish I had the time, I don't. Rare color, unique features, no rust, big block 4bbl. Checks every box.
As always, sincere and realistic offers welcome.
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3 hours ago, Jack Bennett said:
But, since you apparently aren’t, that’s OK too, because, one day, your collection will too be auctioned off at pennies on the dollar, and flipped to put us old car hobbyists in our place.
Jack
Hey, once I'm dead I don't care if it has to be PAID FOR to get removed. Thanks for your service BTW, but that doesn't buy you a pass to say my efforts are legalized robbery. Nor does it allow you to make an anonymous judgment on my patriotic views. My uncles are vets. 2 of my sisters too. None of them look down their noses at me on my chosen lifestyle of cars, flipping, owning, restoring, et al. Clearly you have a measure of disdain for the likes of some of willing to hustle now n then to either pay our bills, feed our chosen life of old cars, or both, and by doing it in the collector car sandbox. Markets are what they are. I paid up for some gennie Cal Custom valve covers some time ago. Young Joey next town over really wants em to finish his period car but he can't afford the going rate which is about $75 more than I paid, or viewed another way, I'd have to pay $75 more (which I can afford) to get another set just to help him get closer. What's the right move? Me? Sorry Joey, not for sale. Maybe he should engage in some "legalized robbery" and flip some stuff for a modest and honest profit...like I often do...which is quite legal...and CAPITALIST...which you proudly fought for, so thanks again for that.
Signed:
Vintage Car Stuff Robber Baron
And hey, maybe if you'd cloud your disdain just wee bit it wouldn't raise a hackle amongst us who do what we do, essentially for you too like it or not. In today's vernacular don't hate the player, or the game for that matter. Thanks for the convo...
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Good topic for this ideal.
We are the ultimate environmentalists.
Let that marinate a little bit.
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18 hours ago, Jack Bennett said:
Hi AM demco32……..There are still a few people alive today who remembers Dwight D. Eisenhower. For those who do, that memory is probably based more on a time, rather than a man. Eisenhower was a five star general, Army Chief of Staff and Supreme Allied Commander of all forces during World War Two. He was also president of the United States for a period of time extending between 20 January 1952 to 20 January 1961.
I will not recount all his accomplishments during his time as president, but I will mention the one which affects the people who collect, restore, drive and love old and classic cars.
It wasn’t the “good old days” when roads were dirt, usually little more than two mud or dust filled ruts, and seldom ran any further than to the outskirts of the next small town.
It was normal for a family to consist of 10 or 12 sibling children, a mom, a dad, perhaps a GMA and a GPA as well as any number of aunts, uncles and cousins.
It was also normal for a person to go from infancy to elderly without ever traveling a distance any further than the county line from their home of birth.
And it was normal for those people fortunate enough to afford a motor vehicle to pass the treasured parts needed to keep those vehicles running from person to person, mainly as a part of treasured items handed down to other family members upon their death.
There was no such thing as a “barn find” and the treasure trove of new old stock (NOS) auto, truck and tractor parts would not become a commonly used term among antique vehicle fans for a couple of decades.
And then came Eisenhower, and the major role he played in construction of the interstate highway system.
These multi lane stretches of pavement ran from coast to coast, and northern to southern borders of the US, and they served their purpose well by establishing a new form of merchandising.
Bubba was no longer confined to the back forty, and Sissy could now travel as far as a Greyhound bus could take her. And barns and basements full of the hoarded machine parts and materials, so treasured as essentials to maintenance of the farm, and providing some assurance the tin Lizzie could be maintained to provide basic transportation needs, became a new source of income.
However, selling car, truck or tractor parts has draw backs because they are heavy, space consuming, proprietary to specific vehicles, and extremely difficult to market, and/or transport to a prospective buyer.
But these difficulties was overcame as a new marketing strategy, called “drop shipping” became possible with a more modern means of transport of bulky merchandise, and a whole world of new buyers opened up with inception of a communications device called the “internet”.This method of marketing makes it possible to sell something you have never possessed, seen or even have a knowledge of its use or application.
People, most easily described as the “pickers” portrayed on the TV program American Pickers were now able to buy up vast hoards of old vehicle parts, at pennies on the dollar, as rural life moved into a metro world, and maintenance of the family farm became either impractical or impossible.
The words “scarce”, “rare”, “vintage”, “collectible” and “costly” entered the vocabulary of the antique/classic car collector as these parts was collected by a “picker” and assembled into another hoard, only now it was for the sole purpose of creating a new market for “old”, “rare” and elsewhere non available parts..
And, it worked. Now the marketer on eBay or Amazon doesn’t even have to maintain a warehouse to store the bulky items, and has no need to have even a basic knowledge of what the item is, or does.
Instead, from the comfort of their living room, a person/people needs only to establish a “store” and amass a number of “pickers” who agree to drop ship a item within a certain period of time, and to accept a certain amount in payment for the item when shipped.
As a private citizen, looking for a proprietary part, one has absolutely no choice but to pay the asked price, and hope the part is shipped, as agreed, and fits when/if it arrives.The only counter to this form of legalized robbery is the number of people who participate in the old car hobby, and their willingness to overcome their own propensity to hoard parts essential to keeping the hobby alive, and affordable.
The internet is a powerful tool, and in the hands of clubs such as AACA, The DB Club, WOKR and other on line gathering places where antique/classic car fans meet, the part’s dilemma can be lessened.
I take a bit of pride in myself when I read that someone paid $400.00 each, plus shipping, for tires for their antique car project. For the four new, whitewall, tires I need for my old truck, I paid $350.00, including shipping from a private individual who appreciates the hobby more than they treasure money.
Since I have began the hobby of old machine reanimation, I have given away body parts, transmissions, clutches and other old car parts, in amounts too numerous to list here. Concurrently, I have received enough walnut veneer to finish up the dashboard of my Willys, a new latch for the door of the same car, several carburetor parts and a nearly complete vacuum fuel tank and spare tire for my 23 DB Roadster, all for the cost of postage.
And, I am certain that those people who provided me with the parts I needed felt as good as I did when I gave them the parts they needed.
As a team, working together as a group, united by the love of old cars, can support each other to win the war on the runaway costs now associated with the hobby.
Or not……………..
Jack
So much left out here. I see the sour notes quite clearly too. "...legalized robbery..." actually stated. A picker (as you call it) is now another abused term like patina. Time is free in your world? I waited to comment on this, I wanted to think about it as someone may call me a hoarder if they saw the volume and variety of parts I have. So the days and weeks, months really, spent gathering, separating and identifying, fuel for transport, real estate needed for storage, more time and resources expended for delivery if sold by ads, and indeed the expense of lodging and more to drive 9hrs to Hershey for a week and provide my fellow car folks with an opportunity to find what they need in one place?
Legalized robbery indeed. Come see me next year and take it all for free because I have a duty to make sure my fellow enthusiasts are able to continue to pursue happiness? My needs mean zero. What a crock of horse apples. Maybe you'd be better off collecting Beanie Babies. For all I know, maybe you do.
All of you types just despise the providers of our much needed "good stuff" so we can enjoy what we have. Here's an idea, YOU do it. I could use some free stuff for my GTO, my 39 Std, my 41 Packard. Your fuel, your time, your food, travel, lodging, and break down each part into the nickles n dimes of cost vs their dollar value. Or continue to to use the same cliche broad brush ideal and compare us types to the lame thieves and liars who are essentially less than 1% of this life. Show us where the bad antique car touched you and made you so angry. Full disclosure? Good thing this isn't on a forum where I could really say how I feel, uncensored. It woulda been 3 words.
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6 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said:
Title for another thread, what cars /parts did you sell to buy your house? Back in 1978 I sold set of NOS ARDUN Heads to pay for the plumbing in the hose I built and still live in.
I can't possibly recall all the flipping I did to get where I am. Some were sales or acquisitions for others, some mine, tools, equipment like lathes and mills, probably enuff parts to full a semi or 3. I bought 2 pallets of recon GM lower control arms for $2.00. Two dollars. I didn't bid, auctioneer said "...it's ok I put you in." when I told him. Kanter offered me $750.00 and he paid the freight. I bought a pallet of cranks, bid $5.00. Sold 1 for $300 and scrapped the rest for $60. Just a highlight reel. This life has to be more than wrenches and sandpaper so opportunities shouldn't be ignored no matter how much work it looks like.
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36 minutes ago, timecapsule said:
I've given thought to your theory previously. Like lets say for instance I was using really light oil in my differential. 10W as an example, and lets say it was even low on oil. Lets also say my pinion backlash was way way too much. The symptoms might make sense then, The pinion and ring gear would be dry once the car sat for a period of time, and that excessive backlash could make a klunking noise, until the gears got covered in oil. However none of that is true in my case, plus you would hear a deafening humming noise from the rear end if that was the case. But something like that would explain the time frame, playing a major part in the equation.
What made me think of it is that Packard and some others keep that area oiled with a Bijur system. What did the rest of the OEMs spec as service? A bronze bushing could hang up a bit at 1st, old greasy lube, etc. I would test it by having it in that cooled condition, ease out the clutch ( not running) and rock the car in high gear, watching the clutch pedal maybe...🤔
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4 hours ago, Restorer32 said:
The price is very negotiable. The $49k was what the owner thought it was worth. I tried to get him to be more realistic. All offers considered. Car is nearly 100 % complete.
That car is in the right "neighborhood" price wise. I'm sure a fair number is attainable for both. Looks like a lot of expensive work is done already too. They're a good one, that 320 straight 8 with a downdraft and svelte 900 platform makes them great performers. I've seen them bring pretty big $$$$$$ finished.
The term "project car" can be abused as much as the new definition of patina. I'm also offering a project, but only because you're not going to take it out to the cruise night on delivery day. Needs some minor effort which I can't do so I'll let someone else find good fortune in it that pales in comparison to money.
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Something is cooling since you state that it's a 1 time noise. Cpl hrs ok, all day not so much. Any noise in the drive system will "end" at the final point, the axle. I'll bet you feel it in the shifter and gas pedal too, yes? Having done such a thorough exam of usual suspects to find nothing, what else could shock the driveline with a clunk? Can you access the slide for the throwout brg easy enuff? If it were to stick a little the force could possibly send a shockwave down the line. You said all the mounts were good, so if the motor/trans can't move what can? Lots of force on the avg pressure plate. If the parts warm up a little then some clearance is gained. You can baby it to make it not happen as well. Raw thoughts...
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30 minutes ago, CChinn said:
Highlander160, you used the $2750 “profit” when you sold your 69 Boss 302 to buy a house in the early 1980s. If you still have that house, I would suspect that the appreciation of the house is well above the approximate $45k appreciation of the car over the past 40 years and your ROI in the house is substantial. You did well!
4 homes later, yeah no regrets on that score. I'm deep in the black column these days. Do I still want it? You bet your Hurst shift pattern T handle I do, but the current owner said "...pry my cold dead fingers off the steering wheel." when I asked if he'd sell it. I don't blame him. I once sold a dream condition 36 Ford 3W hot rod for $3,850. More than doubled our $. Today I'd get $75K out of it just as it sat. Might take some time to sell though, probably 3 or 4 days...🤭
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1960 Starliner, 14,000 orig miles...
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Offering this thru the holiday seasons wasn't my finest hr, but oh boy what a car. Really...