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Well, it would take more information to answer. Is this a Right Hand front hub (with left hand threads), or a Left Hand front hub (with right hand threads)? It sounds like you are talking about Buffalo #5 wheels and hubs with that kind of locking center. If you have a hub cap, look around the outside (off the car, it is hidden when installed). Does it say "B5" and some other letters/numbers? The best would also be to post a photo of the hub, or of it's opposite side mate, to show just what you are looking for. / Tim

Incidentally, the National catalog shows 5 different wire wheel specifications for 1929 Studebaker, all different part number than the 1928 I discussed above. In 1929 some were Budd, and some were Kelsey-Hayes.

I personally would start with period catalogs to see what they say for the '28 President, which is not a car I know at all. The 1931 catalog of the National Wheel and Rim Association (Chicago) shows the wire wheel for 1927-28 President as Budd "5 hole" 19 x 4-1/2", part #17279. I think "5 hole" means the wire wheel is bolted to the hub with 5 lug bolts. The Buffalo Wire Wheel catalog of the Wire Wheel Corporation of America (October 15, 1928, Buffalo NY) shows their product fitting 1928 President as B5 / 72 spoke, 19 x 4-1/2". They do not show 1927 President in that listing, but do show 1926-27 Big 6 (2 wheel brake) as taking B5 / 72 spoke in 20 x 5" size. The B5 is a "knock off" style wheel where the center cap retains the wheel on the inner hub. I have not paid much attention to "5 bolt" wire wheels in 19", but there are some around. I would not know what to look for to distinguish the particular Budd wheel from other 19" wire wheels. The B5 Buffalo wheels are around, but not easily found in condition not needing full restoration. On most I find the wheel center is the only part usable, needing a new rim and spokes. Spoke lacing patterns vary even in 72 spoke count. Many are 1/3 front, 2/3 back spoke. Some are 1/4 front, 3/4 back spoke. Hubs to mount on the axles vary quite a bit also, being set up for different diameter axles (rears) and bearings (fronts), and presence or absence of front brakes. Fewer rear hubs seem to have survived, and front hubs are more easily found. Some people have machined inserts for front hubs to be pressed / welded in to convert them to rear hubs. All such work is possible, but costly if you are paying someone else to do it. The original parts to start with will also be a considerable expense. So it comes down to "how serious are you" about making the conversion to wire wheels happen? I do have some B5 parts that could be available. / Tim

Hi John- Period Daytons came in several styles, some of which were used on Model T's. First were "six pin" drive, mostly 48 spoke but a few were 60 spoke. These were often used on "T"s. Then there were the "dentil drive" (not dental drive, though today the words are used interchangeably). Dentils came in #10 (smallest), #20, #25, and even larger. #10's were used on Model T, and sometimes #20's. #25 were used on some race cars. I cannot tell from this thread what the Daytons you are looking for are. Photos would help. Descriptions, and measurements such as diameter of the hub center where the cap threads on, whether male or female threads, etc. could also help. None of the Daytons are common these days, in my experience, so I find a lot of difficulty trying to put a set together. Assembling a set means finding rights, lefts, fronts, backs for hubs, rights and lefts for caps, then the correct wheel centers which will likely have to be respoked into new rims of the correct dimensions. The drive lugs on dentil drives can be badly worn, which creates wheel looseness. That said, there are parts out there, and occasionally a batch of things shows up. Regards / Tim

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These are Motor Wheel Corp., Lansing Michigan, Type N wire wheels. Looking at reference catalogs, they show 1928-29 Chrysler Models 62 and 65 using 18 x 4", same years Models 72 and 75 using 18 x 4-1/2", and same years Model 80 using 18 x 5". Same references show Hudson 1928-29 using Motor Wheel Type N, but 19 x 4-1/4". Listings also show the same wheels for 1929 Oldsmobile F-29 Deluxe in 18 x 4", and for 1928 Reo Wolverine & Flying Cloud "Mate" in 18 x 4", and 1929 Flying Cloud "Master" using 18 x 4-1/2".

Hi All - Can anyone post a photo of an ignition key for 1923-1924 Maxwell? I do not even know what to look for! Is there a number somewhere on the ignition switch that identifies the particular key, as was done on Fords? Thanks / Tim

Original LaSalle front end parts, believed to be 1929. Had a 19" wire wheel (completely gone). Original front spindle (left hand threads), brake backing plate, and 15" drum. Axle has been cut off behind spindle, spindle pivots snug but smoothly. Brake show expander also pivots tight, but not frozen. $120. Also original tie rod BALL JOINT STUD and CAP. Ball measures 1.115" with no obvious flat or worn spots. Ball races included as shown. Stud measures approx. 0.612", good threads, likely for a 5/8" hole. $35. Condition as shown in photos attached. Prices plus shipping, ask with your zipcode indicated. Prefer Paypal. Tim Knapp, Wilsonville, OR. tmkotv at frontier dot com

The pictured wheel was manufactured by Motor Wheel Corporation, Lansing, Michigan. Cataloging shows a few cars using 18" Motor Wheel wires, but does not show how many mounting lugs on each. Width should be measured from outside to outside across both lips, likely making this a "4-1/2". Listed for 18" Motor Wheel wire wheels: Chrysler models 62, 65, 66, 67, 72, 75 and 80 and CD CG models all within years 1928/1929/1930/1931; (only models 72, 75, 77 show 4-1/2" width) Dodge DC8 and DF Taxi both 1930 (no 4-1/2") Gardner models 85, 95, 130 for 1928/1929/1930 (only models 95 and 130 show 4-1/2" width) Graham Paige models 39, 45, 615 for 1930, and models 53, 54 for 1931 (no 4-1/2") Hudson models "Long Wheel Base" and Eight, for 1929/1930/1931 (only 1929 Long Wheel Base shows 4-1/2" width) Oakland, all models 1930/1931 (no 4-1/2") Oldsmobile models F29, Deluxe, Export, F30 for 1929/1930, and all models for 1931 (no 4-1/2") Reo models Wolverine and Flying Cloud Mate 1928, and Flying Cloud Master 1929/1930, and FC Six 25 and Eight 30 & 35 1931 (only 1928/1929/1930 Master and 1931 Eight 30 and 35 show 4-1/2" width) and (believe it or not) Viking, all models for 1929/1930 (all show 4-1/2" width) Maybe you can narrow down how many of these used 7 lugs! /Tim

Hi Indiana- Sent you a PM. Thx

Which size? / Tim

One of the 5 x 5-1/2" wheels has one spoke missing (shown in photo). / TK

I have the wheels pictured below available. They are all Kelsey-Hayes 19" lockring wheels. I have 6 of the 6-hole x 6-1/2" pattern, which have 8-1/2" hubcap hole. 40 spoke, 3" in the tire groove. I have 3 of the 5-hole x 5-1/2", which have 7-1/8" hubcap hole. 40 spoke, 2-3/4" in the tire groove. I am located near Portland, Oregon and can deliver to the Portland Swap Meet this year, on Saturday or Sunday. Am away on business until swap meet weekend, so cannot take more photos. All wheels are similar condition to those shown, Arrange through email tmkotv at frontier dot com. All wheels have their original lockrings present. I will try to answer questions if I can. 6 wheels, 6 x 6-1/2" pattern: $1290. 3 wheels, 5 x 5-1/2" pattern $ 645. Thx / Tim Knapp, Wilsonville, OR

OK, got a couple wheels out, took photos, and looked more closely. A couple of corrections: I have 5 wheels 23" (not 24") that have 8 hub bolts and 6 rim bolts. I have 3 rim rings that fit these, 1 additional 6 bolt rim ring that is broken and bent (but could be reworked) and 2 rim rings that have 7 rim bolts (which I think could have the holes welded and be re-drilled to 6 rim bolts, with some work). The 2 wheels 23" that have 6 bolt hubs have a larger center hole, and look like the 21" front hubs will transfer into them. I found one 23" rim that seems to fit, and have included photo. The split-rim latch is broken, so you do not get the whole thing but maybe can see how it is supposed to go. The catalog listings are ambiguous, and seem to be showing rims that fit Buick wood spoke wheels for the years listed. The Tuarc rim that I show in the photo looks more like the Jaxon type #28 or #29 shown on the catalog page, or types #30 and #33 on another page. You can see in the photo the 4 slots that receive the 4 tabs on the rim latch. Also note that the 4 slots are not centered in the wheel recess, they are offset to one side. The extended recess to one side of the latch appears to be to clear the lower profile part of the latch which extends beyond the 4 latch tabs (as seen in the catalog photo). Lastly, I have been looking at the Tuarc wheels on the red car Brian posted in this thread. The front wheel hub that appears to have 12 hub bolts looks an awful lot like a Buick wood wheel front hub, doesn't it? Is it possible the Tuarc wheels were adapted to wood wheel hubs? Would the 6 hub bolt rears shown on the red car be consistent with Buick wood wheel rears? /Tim

Attached is the catalog page showing Jaxon #21, #23 and #27 rims as fitting the Tuarc Buick wheels. Should help in locating rims. / Tim

The Tuarc are NOT similar to the Chevrolet disc wheels of the '20's. Chev wheels were made by Jaxon, and do not cross to Tuarc at all. Attached is a scan of a 1929 "National Wheel & Rim Association" catalog on Buick. As you can see, there were several different diameters, several different widths within a diameter, and different wheels on different years and on different models within a year. I have no personal experience with Buicks of the period. The Buick photo posted by Brian on this thread shows different hub bolt patterns on the rear and on the front. Rears appear to have 6 hub bolts, fronts have a lot of bolts, possibly 12. Possibly someone drilled 6 additional bolt holes on a 6 bolt hub, but I don't really know. Wheel rims all appear to have 7 rim bolts. Starting in 1923, the 32x4-1/2" would be a 23" wheel rim, the 32x4.0" would be a 24" rim, the 30x3-1/2" would be a 23" rim, the 30x4.0" would be a 22" rim, the 31x4-1/2" would be a 22" rim, then the measuring system changed in 1926. All the 21x4.0" and 21x4-1/2" are 21" wheels. So just what year/model are you trying to fit? I suspect that the wheels I have that measure 21" bare may well be 22" once a rim is fitted. Likewise, I suspect my wheels that measure 23" or 23-1/4" may well be 24" with a rim fitted. Am not sure how to answer your question of making up a set to fit. The pair of 21" front hubs with 6 bolt hubs (with wheels) should also transfer into the pair of 23" wheels that have that have 6 bolt hubs and 6 rim bolts. The pair of bare rear hubs with 8 bolt hubs should fit the pair of 23" wheels that have 8 bolt hubs and 6 rim bolts, or the pair of 23-1/4" wheels that have 8 bolt hubs and 7 rim bolts. That would give you a set of 4, 2 front & 2 rear, all likely 24" rims. You would have to go to work and find the rims to fit the wheels, and brake drums. / Tim

I have some Tuarc disc wheel pieces available. One of the problems is the many different configurations, so you need to know specifically what you are looking for. So here goes: (2) front hubs with wheels Oldsmobile hubcaps, six bolt hub, 21" (without ring) uses 5 bolts on ring. No rings. (1) wheel (no hub), 8 bolt hub, 21" including ring, uses 5 ring bolts, have 1 good ring. (2) rear hubs (no wheels) 8 bolt hub, large end taper 1-5/16", with matching reinforcement discs for outside of wheel. (1) rear hub with wheel, 23" including ring, 8 hub bolts, large end taper 1-3/8", with matching reinforcement disc and 14" drum (6 bolt ring is bent up) (2) wheels (no hub), 8 bolt hub, 23-1/4" including ring (so is this a 24" rim?), uses 7 bolt ring, both have good rings. (2) wheels (no hub), 8 bolt hub, 23" including ring (so is this a 23" or 24" rim?), uses 6 bolt ring, have 1 good ring. (2) wheels (no hub), 6 bolt hub, 23" including ring (so is this a 23" or 24" rim?), uses 6 bolt ring, have 2 good rings. I do not have any rims to fit these wheels, so cannot be sure what exact rim size fits each wheel. Like many others, I would have to drag these out and shoot photos, so nothing immediately available to show you. Don't want to waste time on parts that are not of interest to someone. I am interested in wire wheels like Buffalo / Houk / Hayes / Dayton, #3, #4, #5, wheel centers only, hubs, caps, as well as other makes and a few specific wheels. Am NOT a buyer for any complete set of wheels. Let me know what you are thinking. Portland, Oregon area. Thx / Tim

PM sent. Thx / Tim

Hi- So, if you look at the "hub cap" on the flat part that fits down inside the wheel, it will show some letters/numbers. Knowing what these show would help, as would the spoke count that comes to the FRONT SIDE of the hub by the "hub cap". What are you asking for the 2 wheels, and hub cap parts? Thx / Tim Knapp, Wilsonville, OR.

Great project, and remarkable progress. I want to note that the wire wheels with the "1/2 ping-pong ball" domes over each drive pin were made by Hayes Wheel Company of Jackson, Michigan. They are very similar to Houk, but the Houk have "open holes" on each drive pin. Houk was absorbed and then manufactured by Wire Wheel Corporation of America in Buffalo, NY, which also manufactured wheels commonly referred to as "Buffalo" wheels. The Hayes are fine, correct era wheels, and would have been available to add to the car as accessory additions or through many car dealers.

Restorer32, sent you a PM.

Hi - I have this speedometer available ( photos attached, I hope!). I have been told it is 1932 Packard, but have no way to verify, and do not know if it is the same or different than 1931.

Well, many of us have some miscellaneous wheels, but have no idea what they may have come from or fit. Absent some photos, with sizes/dimensions/specific characteristics and/or manufacturer's part numbers, there is no way to tell. It would seem like it would increase your chances of finding what you are looking for if you would provide some of this additional information. Regards-

Hi Curti - I have a set of Auburn hubcaps like you are requesting, 3 rights, 2 lefts. 4 have Auburn emblem. All unrestored, good threads, ears hammered. Will try to attach photos here. Regards / Tim

Hi- Sent you a PM on Essex wire wheels./Speedster Tim