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    If that's produced by the Stutz Fire Engine Co of Indianapolis, the engine's probably a Wisconsin...but first determine what engine you have (if you're lucky there'll stilll be a makers tag attached, usually to the block somewhere, or it could be on the body tag, if that's still there... Once you learn which engine you have, you'll know who to ask...Wisconsins often had the name embossed on valve/inspection covers on the sides of the block. Mroz's truck book says the fire engine co didn't start using its own 6cyl until 1926, so the four almost certainly came from one of the vendor engine builders. Let us know what you find.
  2. Many thxx for quick replies!! Early car engines were never a primary interest, and when the independent US engine makers did pique my fickle interest I re-acquired a batch of older parts catalogs to ID truck etc engines; those that included cars, late teens, 20's etc, listed no Wauks, altho several were listed as "own" that apparently acquired engines somewhere else. It would appear any Wauk usage would be in the early years that my stuff doesn't cover; any applicable early car ref's I once had I've since disposed of when thinning out the paper collection, and now limited income and higher prices make re-acquiring much difficult! Again, many thxx!!
  3. The Cont'l Z's were not widely used, and I'm not familiar with a dist with an oil reservoir. If nothing turns up here try the Ferguson forum on ytmag, a farm/ag eqpmt site. Good luck.
  4. I saw somewhere (but can't find in manuals at hand) that one should file and polish in the direction the points "wipe" as they open and close...you should make sure you've got both contacts smooth before setting, as snags or high spots will throw gap off... Of course, that's the ideal...I usually ran mine until they began to stick shut at low speed (going around corners) whereupon I'd jump out with my wife's (or appropriate persons') fingernail file, pop off the cap, give 'em a couple swipes, and go on...
  5. The Waukesha Engine Historical Society is working on a list of cars that used Waukesha engines; it appears the company records do not include a complete list of engine purchasers. While my engine interest is primarily truck etc installations I do have the following car list: Fawick Flyer AKA Silent Sioux 1908-12, which used a 2 and a 4 cyl, the 4cyl a Wauk, the 2cyl?? Illinois 1909-12; the (a?) 1911 model used a 4cyl Wauk. About 50 cars produced total. Kendalville 1910 (Rupp Bros.) Apparently a prototype only, or very few, with a 4cyl Wauk. Multiplex 1912-13, using a 4cyl 50HP Wauk. About 14 produced. Rupp 1910. Almost certainly the Kendalville above. Wright 1910-11, using a 4cyl 20HP Wauk; six built? All of the above are from the Std Cat US Cars, but there are literally hundreds of entries with no engine maker mentioned. While the list of truck users would be quite long, and other installations almost literally endless, can anyone here add to the above list??? (The early Crosley 2cyl was, of course, a Wauk, the "150" per several references, but opinions differ). My apologies if there's an online list somewhere; my computers sick and gets into websites OK, usually, but doesn't search well. Many thxx!! Bud
  6. Continental was one of the primary early US independent engine builders, and may well've been THE primary builder...Continentals were in literally everything imaginable, altho I don't believe they ever went into the heavy industrial type engines (to me that's 1200 cid up) (I'm open to correction as all my ref material is on truck/tractor/const etc stuff). There's a pathetic little thumbnail on Wiki; my computers still sick and can't research much. There's a list of (known) cars and trucks that used Cont'l engines on a Continental engine page on the Hemmings website...I can't comment on the car list but can on the truck list as I added a considerable batch myself maybe 2-3 yrs ago. I said "known" as Cont provided engines for some builders who passed them off as their "own" engines, like Graham, who I believe added their own cyl heads and water pumps. (again, I'm open to correction). I understand Continental also produced engines to others design, in which case they were just the fabricator. My Continental engine list is presently gathering dust; I got bogged down trying to connect the PU's to the auto/ind'l versions, among other complexities. (For awhile they used: "Automotive" F6209 (6 cyl 209 cid) (Auto/Trk installations), "Ind'l" F209 (tractors, ag/const etc eqpmt installations), and PF209 (free standing power units) type designations. They're also rumored to've been very good at giving separate designations to the same engine sold to different car assemblers. (the number-letter years 7c, 16b, ad nauseum).. There're also little air-cooleds, the more recent R8/10/12 (Renault engines) in Turfcats and such, and, as mentioned , their ongoing aircraft engine business, plus, no doubt, Cont'ls I've never heard of.
  7. (1) 1930 Niehoff ignition/starter/gen catalog, 48 pgs, probably only useful for pix of Niehoff parts (NOT OE parts), no OE dist #'s. lots of smudges; (2) 1936 Republic Gear ring gear/pinion, trans and diff parts catalog, 132 pages, lots of smudges, says covers"all cars and trucks" but I doubt. Looks better on cars, probably good on Chev-Dodge-Ford trucks, spotty on everything else. (3) Dope-Master for 42-46-47 (Automotive Digest) 96 pgs. Surprising amount of fine-print adjustment-repair info, specs, clear wiring diagrams. (4)1952 Bendix-Westinghouse Air Brake maintenance manual, 219 pgs; (5)1949?? Blackhawk Jacks parts book--hand jacks 3 Ton to 50 Ton, bumper jacks, service (floor) jacks, Porta-powers. Foldout blowups. These must've been expensive. Very well used. Disgusting covers, lots of smudges. Pgs not numbered, 5/8 thick. (6) 1962 Borg Warner U-joint catalog. Looks like 41-62 on cars, varies on trks, comm'l/ind'l eqpmt. 90+ pgs. (7) Perfection Gear Auto trans parts catalog: Hydra incl Jetaway,Dynaflow, Powerglide, Fordo/Mercomatic, Powerflite and Ultramatic. Parts sections dated 59 to 61; exploded views. Pgs numbered separately, 2+ lbs, 3/4 thick. Price $5 each plus media mail mailing. Details Bud pitybud@q.com
  8. Computers been sick for awhile, now email seems to've packed up completely, no telling when (if) it'll be there again, so: First info will be from the 36 catalog, with what's ADDED in the 41 shown in parentheses (-----): DODGE 1934 DR after car 3681754; DS Special 6 (after car 4528656). DODGE TRK 1934-35 KC, KCL from serial #8032345 to 8032656 AND from 8032796 to 8048700, ALSO from 9202594 to 9203900, 1/2 Ton (KC Spec. USA, KC1 USA, KCL Spec. USA, KCL1 USA) I assume the "USA" is to differentiate from Canadian models?? PLYMOUTH 1934: PE DeLuxe from car 2190644 to 2191004 AND after car 2191075 (same in 41 cat) PF Special after car 1881211 ( the 41 catalog adds the one number 3101065: "...after car 1881211, 3101065;..." obviously somethings missing here. PG Standard after car 1021181 (the 41 catalog adds "and 3150351" so it reads: PG Standard after car 1021181 and 3150351... I've developed a lot more sympathy for parts counter people since I've been fooling with these old catalogs... Good luck
  9. With all due respect, "can't find" doesn't tell us who/where you've already tried, so we don't know what suggections are a waste of time... If your part is NLA thru the obvious sources (local places on special order, club sources etc) and you have to deal with the professional obsolete engine parts dealers, like Egge etc, there's a pretty good list in ATHS's Parts and Services section, altho their list is mostly of heavier industrial engine parts dealers. There're also obsolete car engine parts outfits that I'm not familiar with that'll come up Googling Antique or Vintage engine parts and such. In a worst case situation, there're outfits that'll cut you a new gear, I assume for a certain consideration...
  10. (1) Who decided I'm a "Senior Member"??; "dabbler" would be more applicable... (unless it means Senior Citizen, which I fir only too well). (2) site email doesn't seem to have prvision for pix, so send me email adds. Bud
  11. Well, I do have McQuay-Norris Cat # 82, pages dated 5-41...looks like they were formerly King Products Co, as a 3-36 King catalog has the same format and uses the same numbers... The Mq-N doesn't list axles, apparently in separate catalog, but the King includes them, AND has a numerical index (typical example of cutting costs-I think 37-8 was a drop in the economy before 39's war orders began coming in). For KA8 it shows: Some 34 Dodge Some 34-5 DODGE TRK Some 34 PLYM. Entry has a batch of serial numbers it fits; will try emailing pic. Post here if nothing legible comes thr. Bud
  12. Where were we?...(remember, SOME, as above)... Nash 41-42 Amb 6 4140 (only Nash taking ID8 in my catalog); Olds 28-35; Peerless 61, 61A 29-30; Pontiac 28-32; Reo 1936 6D Flying Cloud (only Reo, as above); Stude 29-34 and the 36 Canadian (model or built in Canada??); TRUCKS: Chev 29-33; Dodge 30-34; GMC T16 34-35 (Olds F34 eng); IH 32-42...these include some 4cyl's, and include Wauk and Lyc engines); Mack 1938-42 ED, DE with Cont F6209; White 33-35 "(8A) 701, 702,707" NOTES: (1)Since Cont, Lyc and Wauk used dist's that used this rotor, it's possible (actually, probable) that this rotor was used in a considerable number of both 4 and 6 cyl industrial (ie, truck, tractor, ag/const/industrial eqpmt,stand-alone power unit) engines, as well as an unknown number of "orphan" trucks, many of which used such engines, died in the 29-32 etc period and are NOT in my catalog. (2) Cont F6209 was truck version, F209 Ag/Ind'l version and PF209 for stand alone power units, which may or may not've used this rotor. (3) Other iind'l engines named were Wauk FC. FK, XAB, XAH,; Lycoming SAH, SAH-M, all in 32-38 IH's, the Wauks all 4s, the Lycs 6s. ADDITIONAL dist #'s: 622A,B,K,N,M,R,S,T,U,X; 623D,F,G,H,T; 625F; 629A,E,K,T,U,V; 631F; 632J,M,P; 633J; 639A,B,G,J,T,U; 1110511 Shouldn't be too hard to sell. Bud
  13. My catalog shows some (repeat, SOME): Chandler 28-29..,(SEE BELOW FOR DIST #'s)... Chev 28-34... Chrysler, DeSoto, Dodge, Ply,...28-34 Elcar 29-30 #75 and 30-31 Taxi (no dist # given) Graham 30-42 (as far as I got so far) DIST #'s shown (so far) as taking the ID8: 622C,H,L,Z; (to be read as four distributors); 623A,E.S; 630A; 631A,B,C; 632D,F,K,L,Z; 633C,D,E; 635B; 637N; 639K.X. More will follow. Remember parts catalogs were seldom complete, being more a catalog of those parts that particular company chose to include, which may not include slow-moving specialty items. Also remember the ID8 may not be an identical copy of the original; parts co's sometimes made up more or less universal types that would replace a number of OE types simply to reduce inventory problems. With sympathy, Bud
  14. Welll...lots of things! It looks like this's one of Shurhits favorite rotors. In their suggested assortments to stock (21 rotors) they suggest 10 ID8's, only one other 6, a couple others 4 and the rest only two. So it's too much to take off, and too many pages to shoot...how about a list of makes/years and dist numbers?? Models would be too much, but dist number should be good for ID. ALSO, there may be some installations prior to this catalog (Example: catalog covers DeSoto 29-42, shows ID8 in var 29-33 models, so could also be used earlier).
  15. While early car and marine engines are generally ourside my present interest, I'd assumed Brennan was an early producer, and had a larger presence in the marine field, as mentioned in the Brennan car thread. Wiki, of all places, has a nice writeup on Brennan, saying they produced in the marine field for many years. I assume (again, perhaps wrongly) that they were a small specialty producer since they don't appear in the marine engine listings in my old parts catalogs. Parts companies often didn't catalog parts for specialty engines, altho they were often available on special order. Do you know how many different engines your forms are for, and whether they're all 2Cyl or some for the later 4's??
  16. I'm not familiar with this Maxwell point, but my own opinion would be that if a m'f'r admits a "slight weakness", there were probably broken or collapsed Maxwells littering every street in town... I could be wrong: Std Cat, while not the ultimate reference, doesn't mention any frame problems in this period.
  17. Power Wagon's 1919 specs show the Maxwell (originally listed as 1Ton in July issue, then as 11/2T in later issues) had Hayes wheels 34x41/2 front and rear. I don't know if same size Hayes wheels from another vehicle would fit. Don't have any specific wood wheel builder/rebuilder on my list, but there've been several comments on Ag sites that the Amish do that work, and do it beautifully. Huptoy's man could well be Amish. If Calimers doesn't work out, there might be someone on the ATHS (Am Trk Hist Soc) website under "Parts And Services". Good luck.
  18. Looking for relatively reasonable (??) older engine parts/clutch catalogs covering any parts of teens thru 30's that include any of: orphan trucks, ag, const, ind'l eqpmt AND ID's the engines used therein (like: Hug #41C 1930--Buda DW6, or Noble #B31 1920-24--Buda CTU). Cash, if the exchequer allows, or trade older catalogs that have no engine ID, such as: 1929 Rusco clutch catalog , 8+x11, 72 pgs, many listings (fine print); Niehoff Ign, 1930? (#14) 48pgs, 81/2x11, illus of parts but no OE dist #'s; 1922 Raybestos Brake and Clutch Lining Data, 41/2x7, 160 pgs, fine print; 1946 Wagner Comax Brake lining/Clutch Facing Catalog BU-128, 6x8, 128 pgs, ETC. Email Bud pitybud@q.com.
  19. (1) Corvette--Karl Ludvigsen, Auto Qtly, 2nd Ed, HB, 91/2x8, 320 pgs, well used but good reader copy. 0-525-08645-5; (2) Fire Trucks-Am'cn Firefighters On The Street-Harry Rasmussen, Mtrbks Int'l, HB, 9x9, 128 pgs, color, ex-lib, in lib plactic dj, nice, 0-87938-248-1; (3) Standard Catalog Independents--Ron Kowalski, Krause, PB, 81/2x11, 400 pgs, b/w pix, nice. 0-87341-569-8; (4) Complete Hist Chrysler Cptn 1924-85--Langworth/Norbye, Consumer Guide, HB, 9+x11+,384 pgs, weak on older, better on later, nice. 0-517-44813-0. Lightening ship; may have more later. Details email Bud pitybud@q.com (it's OK, the Nigerians have given up on me) Price $5 each plus whatever Book Rate or Media Mail mailing is now, OR TRADE for older (teens-30's) engine parts/clutch catalogs that ID truck/ag-const-ind'l eqpmt engines.
  20. Nothing coming out of the block drain means accumulated junk in the water jacket inside..you can get a screwdriver in it?? (removed whole drain cock??). Bend a little curve in a wire and fish around in there (you'll just be scraping cast iron) to see if you can't get stuff to flow out. Rons suggestion good, but do a shade-tree flow test before spending $$$: pull the lower hose, pour water in the top, it should run out as fast as you can pour it in. Could be crud in the block limiting the natural thermo-syphon activity when you shut it off, the block dumping residual heat into the block water putting it into slightly boiling. Roadmonsters often seemed really warm when we used to open hoods on them. Good luck.
  21. Nice to see someone's dream come true; congatulations and best wishes. Bud
  22. Sorry for the late reply--Dodge truck engines do have T-numbers...my 50 Motor Manual skips T147, lists T146, T148 etc, but this manual lists mainly over-the-road models, specialty types often don't appear... ALSO, if that is a Canadian engine, I've read that some Canadian CCptn engines don't take all the same parts as a US built engine of the same model, so double check parts info. Good luck.
  23. ORACLE: many thxx for the Northway list. If anyone cares, the Badger car, 1910-11 reprtedly had a Northway 30HP 4cyl (approx 237 built) per Std cat; The Sheridan, 1920-21 was proposed with a Northway 35HP 4cyl and an 80HP 8, presumeably one of the V8's; only pilot models of the 8 and a "small production" of the 4s was made (Std Cat) before cancellation. I was also wrong on trucks: The Vim in the Hemmings list is a truck. Mroz states they used Northways , and in 1918 produced some of their own engines(??) before going to Cont, Herc, etc. The Northway 30A is listed in a 1917 Burd ring catalog, and the only likely vehicles listed in that small category ( 3" bore, 1/4" rings, 4cyl, 3 ring piston) that match are the Commerce "K" truck for 1912 and the Landshaft "C" for 1914. Mroz verifies Commerce used a Northway in 1914, and states they went to Cont'ls 1922, implying Northways may've been used in between. Landshaft was listed as a car mfr 1909, but Std Cat found no production; Mroz lists Landshaft trucks 1911-20, but doesn't mention engine makes. Anyone who wishes can transmit the above to the Hemmings list; my computers sick, only goes to my usual sites, email out .
  24. I didn't try to make up a Northway engine list until I found the SAMSON (Not Sampson) model "M" tractor used an unidentified Northway, and then quickly found there was very little Northway info available, as opposed to engine builders like Buda, Cont etal. While I kept very little car engine info, some of my old catalogs do ID car engines, but even when naming Northway seldom give the model #s. And what info given is sometimes ambiguous/confusing, like: Northway #80: GMC, 4cyl, Ser K 15-16, 3/4 and 1T prior to 1923 31/2x51/2; Northway #80: GMC, 4cyl, Ser K-15-16-17-32, 3/4, 1, 2T 1923-27 39/16x6 AND 31/2x51/2 (1930 McCord gasket catalog). This's NOT a typo as the #84 and #88 also have pre and after 23 versions, alth on them the b/s stays the same. Ralph Northway's trucks (21/2 and 31/2T models 1918-22) used an unidentified OHV 4 built "in house" (per Mroz) but other than the "M" Samson, it, and the GMCs, I've found no identified Northway in a truck or tractor, but hasten to admit my sources (old parts catalogs primarily) are far from complete. What engine list I have shows model numbers 30A, 37, 45, 52, 53, 54, 68, 80, 84, 88, 89, 107, 110, C-110, 111, D-111, BD-111, 208, 209, 308, 309, 310, 311 and the unidentified Samson "M" engine, which may or may not be one of the above. If anyone knows of an existing engine list I'd appreciate advice. Bud
  25. Just as a general comment on mica/isinglass...our usage of the time (40's Chicago and 50s NM) was that "mica" was stiff sheets/pieces, ranging from almost opaque to translucent, but not really clear, with a kind of coarse feel, while isinglass was a heat resistant, more flexible almost clear material used in viewports in wood/kero/coal stoves, that felt smooth/slick, like a present day clear plastic. I didn't know they were both forms of mica.