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  1. On 8/21/2021 at 3:59 PM, RodgerWilson said:

    Still looking.  Thanks.


    This has bugged me since we first spoke. After revisiting the topic and doing some more digging I did confirm that this transmission was never interchanged with another transmission. 

    Can you please post current pics of what you have? For some reason our PM interaction with those photos are missing from my history...

    Thank you

  2. I also have a 1936 Master Catalog No 56 and I believe it covers most motor and chassis info for 1918-1936 as well as many other items that Bud described above. 


    Also one of my first go to books when looking for certain things. Very helpful and probably worth about $45-$75 in all fairness to both the buyer and seller due to condition (if that helps). Highly recommend it to anyone owning a prewar vehicle or love to research them.

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  3. 1 hour ago, gearguy32 said:

    Hello, A long story short, I’m helping a friend clean out an estate. Among all the stuff, mostly old car parts etc, is a number of radiators many of which are honeycomb. The price of scrap being what it is, he would like to recycle them. I’m not so sure though. The problem, of course, is identifying them as I have no idea. If anyone has any thoughts, ideas or input on this, I would really appreciate it. Thank You. 


    Honeycombs are always needed by someone. 

    Without good pics and measurements you'll have a hard time recycling them to anyone but if you provide those two basic things, they'll sell to anyone in the world if someone needs it. 

    Always consider the time and cost to ship and if you don't have the patience for it then maybe sell as a lot to someone who will see that they find good homes. I'd be a buyer if you have the Fedders radiator I'm looking for. 

  4. Computer is in for repairs so I’ll try responding by index finger…


    Personally I think everything should be filed by date chronologically for easy referencing in the future. Doug has his hands full uploading it so maybe there should be a group who can use what he’s uploaded then index it and share it by email? That way we can constantly update it. We would have to be able to file share something that is edit enable friendly but has to have checks and balances for errors or mistakes. 


  5. On 9/13/2021 at 7:47 PM, Alan Cutler said:

    Sweet parts, let me know.

    By the way you going to Tempe in November for the show?


    Not sure which show you're referring to,,, sorry I'm a bit brain dead from the week long trip to Ohio..


    I don't see your build card on file (keep in mind I'm trying to focus on 1928-1932 the lost years) but I see your truck as a 1938 .5 ton  serial 81869xx according to the most recent Club Roster. I'm not sure if anyone has taken on the task of build cards from 1933-1938 Dodge trucks. The main reason I'm focusing only on the 28-32 years is because of the DES system prior to 1933 models being so confusing and I'm trying to find answers for that group of owners. 


    Have you been in contact with Eric Bannerman? He has a couple of books about Dodge trucks and serial number ranges and may want to hear from you. He's not in the DBC but he's still very helpful to the post 1933 truck community regardless. Let me know if you need his email.


    Dodge Truck Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) Decoder (t137.com)

  6. On 9/11/2021 at 11:49 AM, Alan Cutler said:

    Hi Dave   - I sent you mine?

    Hi Alan

    yes I believe I do have yours in the data from memory. Sorry I haven’t been responding, been traveling on the road for 12 hours a day since Wednesday morning. Currently in Missouri as I’m trying to get back home to AZ. Here are some parts I found in Ohio


    Will check in once I get settled back home. 





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  7. 2 hours ago, stakeside said:

    I found this memo to dealers. Note the X20 reference.




    I saved a copy of that and forget about it. I bet that’s it… I think you nailed it. 


    actually that’s for the Senior truck engines so not sure if it relates to the Victory Six truck engines. 
    Good catch regardless… thanks Sherman


    edit again lol ( sorry I’m trying  to multitask too much right now). It is for a Victory Six also. That’s an

    awesome catch!

  8. 3 hours ago, nearchoclatetown said:

    So the powers have removed all knives from stores. When will the stupidity stop? 


    Every time a politician speaks about it I can't help but think of a recent quote I came across...

    “No. No. I’m listening. It just takes me a minute to process that much stupid all at once.”


    Great photos from our Aussie brothers as always, especially the blurry 24" spinners on the roadster doing 120 ;) 

    I'm sure some kids today are jealous too...

    Looks like you are all making the best of it. Kudos!

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  9. On 9/3/2021 at 1:17 PM, 1949 PLYMOUTHP17 said:

    4112-312679 is the number in the door jamb of this dodge truck we found in a field. we would appreciate any help decoding the number.


    Second attempt at replying. Sometimes folks don't know we're responding unless we click on "quote" them..



    Not seeing anything in regards to that number system.

    Anything on the firewall? 


    Pics would help of the door tag and any firewall tag. Pics of the  body would help too.


  10. 3 minutes ago, 60FlatTop said:

    This morning was coffee day in my garage with a friend who has been stopping by ever since the plaque hit. We were talking about some current trends in the hobby. I said that I thought a lot of things were the result of peer pressure. With that I waved my hand at the contents of my garage and added "which obviously does carry much weight with this stuff".


    It brings to mind a statement I remember from my early days learning about cars. It has been said "In car building the French copy no one. And no one copies the French." The same can be said of car collections, large and small.

    Very true....

    I'm still wondering how you got hit by a plaque? ;) 

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  11. 1 hour ago, Walt G said:

    I do have some stuff that has appeared at my space at Hershey before , but that most likely was a decade ago. Like most I don't want to haul it home BUT will not give it away either as 99% of what I have is pre WWII and there are just no longer any "piles" ( for lack of a better description) of stuff to find things in at antique shows, antique shops etc.  I am almost at the point of doing what my friend Phil Dumka did decades ago with a sales folder he had - tear it up  and be done with it. I told that tale here some place.

    With the internet at the finger tip a lot of people think they can find stuff 80+ years old for a lot less then they can at a car flea market , so have enhanced their opinion of "I can buy that for less" even more so. They do not think of the tax they have to pay on the item ( I absorb that for sales at Hershey) nor the shipping.

    I try to price what I have fairly for the era, condition, etc. and now have little patience for the folks who no matter how cheap the price is will utter the standard "will ya Do Bedda" or " I'll give yaz".  This year I made a sign that I will post that says I do not listen to that.


    You should know most of us horse traders can't read ;) 

    You've been warned (kidding!)

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  12. Manufacturing.

    A look inside the confusing years of Dodge Brothers taking over Graham Brothers just before Chrysler took over Dodge Brothers...
    As most of you know there are countless other takeovers and consolidation around this pre war era, I think it's interesting to take a peak inside the factories to help us understand certain things. I'll not bore the non Dodge Brothers crowd with the gory details but it's been an intriguing chronological study for the past decade as a researcher. Photos like this give us a visual to things we've read for years.



    Assembly plant.jpg

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  13. 18 hours ago, LCK81403 said:

    Dave G. posted this wonderful photo on page 343 of this forum's thread.  Dave did not identify the car and I still do not know what it is.  It is a large car, because apparently the young woman in the car must be sitting on a jump seat, making the car perhaps a seven passenger.  Another interesting feature is the wheels.  They appear to be welded steel spoke rather than wood spoke wheels.  Does anyone know the make, model, and year of the car?  Also information about the wheels?  The wheels appear to have knock-off spinners.


    And what's the story on Dave?  He posted quite a number great photos and now he seems to have dropped out.

    Page 343.jpg


    Others may know better but Dave G is mostly on the Buick boards and pops in from time to time. He disappeared the last time for what seemed like a couple of years... I could be wrong as I'm going by memory.

  14. As a follow up to my last post and why build cards are so important.


    Here are the 1930 numbers I have uncovered for Dodge Brothers truck units produced. 

    This research has taken me several years to compile along with help from some of you (thank you). The information was compiled from many sources of material and publications that are documented and double checked for accuracy. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong if you have literature or documents to prove otherwise. 


    17,134 Detroit plant (all models excluding Merchant Express totals)

    (4,304 Merchant Express all built at Detroit plant)

    Detroit units totaled - 21,438 (Including Merchant Express)



    4,607 Evansville plant (all models, excluding Merchant Express)

    1,824 Stockton plant (no Merchant Express and no buses)



    Grand total for all Dodge Brothers trucks produced in 1930 at all three DB plants combined was = 27,869. 


    NOTE* this is based on "model year" from July 1, 1929 to June 30th, 1930 and not by calendar year. Although others may dispute this process, I'm only following this process because that's the information that was provided by the company according to model charts. This is my attempt to try and break down those model charts to read them correctly for each new model released yearly and so we can uncover body style transition periods more precisely.

    I'll continue to complete some of the other transition years numbers for trucks and hope to one day publish it in the newsletter once I get it to where everyone can easily understand it better. This is just a glimpse into why the build cards and research are so important... 

  15. @Knobless

    Your build card brings up very good points for some of the reasons I encourage everyone to try and send in for them. Several sections of the build cards provide answers for all of us, not just the owner but for researchers who are trying to figure things out for the sake of the DB and GB community in hopes of correcting some answers. 


    As we all research and compile more serial/frame numbers to gain answers and as we input them into a database on excel, I've notice there is a very precise chronological order to some sections on the build cards,  such as Serial # per plant and Order#. Although it may not seem like much, it's very important when uncovering a hiccup in the ORDER numbers section on the  build cards for domestic trucks that stayed in the USA but the order# jumps backwards when we see a truck that was exported. Why is that? I believe the exported trucks had it's own pattern. Most folks don't know this but, we were the largest exporter in the world at the time. In 1930 we only imported around 709 total vehicles (including all types, passenger car, truck or commercial cars) for the year and exported for US and Canada combined was 470,268 according to the NACC (National Automobile Chamber of Commerce). Total 1930 truck production for US and Canada combined was 599,991. Out of those 599,991 trucks produced, 186,701 were considered "exports or foreign assembly units inclusive" while 413,290 stayed in the USA as domestic trucks. As you can see, trucks were a substantial percentage of all automobile exports.


    Why is this important when talking about Dodge Brothers build cards Dave? !

    I'm glad you asked.. 


    As an example for Domestic trucks that stayed in the USA and why it's important when looking at build cards;

    The build card for my DA124 3/4 ton 78" Panel truck shows the order # D 59516. I have several other build cards for 1930 that are in an exact chronological order so the pattern is proven. I believe the D is for Detroit and S is for Stockton when a truck was made in Stockton CA plant and E would be for Evansville. Note * I don't recall seeing any build cards for trucks made in Evansville yet, but I'm sure it's only a matter of time once a current owner of a Evansville built truck comes forward with his build card. (getting build card information from truck owners is like pulling teeth)


    Exports and why it's important when looking at build cards:
    The build card from a 1930 DA124 3/4 ton 78" Express pickup body style (same year and series as my panel truck) which was produced exactly a month later than my truck in the same Detroit plant,,,, However, this is the only build card that I have come across for any truck that was sent to Canada and has an Order # with a T on it  T 57793. I am trying to prove if the T is for Export or for Ontario.... Until we get more build cards it's still a guessing game. That's one of the main reasons I implore others to get build cards because behind the scenes, these cards are like a glimpse into the production process and the build cards are the only way to fill in some of these blanks of missing information. Although this truck was produced 1681 units after my truck at the same plant, the order number precedes mine by 1723. I believe this to be very important to hopefully finding out how many Dodge trucks were exported when considering the yearly totals. Maybe not in our lifetime but hopefully it helps unlock the mystery someday...








    DB Sedan Build Card (2).jpeg

  16. 19 hours ago, robert b said:

    The number series is the different between wheel size  of the same model , eg" 128 ", 1928 fast four with 19 inch wheels and 3.75 .1 diff ------" 129 "1928 fast four with 21 inch wheels and a 4.27 . 1 diff  and the sane goes for the Standard Six 140/141 and Victory Six 130/131 . The number series had nothing to do with any brake setup system . In the fast four cars yoy had cars with two and four wheel brakes with both numbering systems. bob


    Hi Robert

    did you find this answer by trial and error working on vehicles, or did you find a particular document that explains this? 
    Fascinating info and I'm sure many of the car guys appreciate your input. Believe it or not this information is invaluable to a truck guy also in other ways.
    Thanks again.



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  17. I've personally only seen one Superbird and that was around 2007 in Desert Hills AZ...


    My older brother owned a pretty rare 70' 440 GTX lime light green similar to this one and I used to clean it daily for him from 77 to 78. Loved that car but never seen a Superbird or Daytona in person till 2007.





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  18. 54 minutes ago, jari12 said:

    In the passenger car chart you shared I believe that the two numbers are both model numbers.  The line above shows 128-129 which were both models with "Fast Four" engines.  I think I saw somewhere else on the forum that differences in the two were brakes and wheel diameter?  One had two wheel and the other four wheel hydraulic brakes? That may also be the case for the Model 130-131  line. 

    Interesting also is the serial number start and end numbers for the models.  I have seen this chart and another for the passenger cars which show different information.  I have a car that starts with A931,xxx but it is a model 124.  There seems to be some differing info and a shortage of info during the time leading up to the ownership change. 


    I think this is the chart you're referring to that shows the end of 27' and beginning of 1928 models around your serial range. I noticed it previously and had questions locked away in regards to what you are inferring but it's one thing at a time as I'm trying to process all of the many bits of information. Very good  point and I'm interested in the correct answer for sure. 



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