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  1. Thanks for clearing that up Lynn. I knew I got that muddled after I posted. My point was some beautiful unrestored vehicles could successfully compete in class judging as this fellow found out. If the original vehicle does not receive a 1st Junior, it can then move freely into HPOF for possible certification. Correct? This is what I did many years ago. My largely original car was not successful in class judging, so I moved to HPOF and was certified.
  2. Right. Now that your Caddy was awarded the 1st Junior, you are considered in that judging class (for at least 10 years) now competing for your Senior Award, and then Preservation and repeat Preservations. That's an honor, by the way. For those unrestored vehicles who haven't achieved a 1st Junior in class judging, the owner may choose to compete for HPOF certification. Once that vehicle has been certified HPOF, it must remain in that class unless significantly restored.
  3. danleblanc, congrats on the "updated" 1st Junior. I recall seeing your Caddy @ Hershey. It's not the first time a well-preserved original has received a 1st Junior. I also agree with the comment about beautiful well-preserved vehicles in HPOF among "barn-finds". For several "first-timers" in HPOF this year @ Hershey, I asked myself "Why did the owner not try class judging first?" A few of those unrestored cars may have achieved a 1st Junior. You never know if you don't try. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. If the vehicle does not achieve the desired 1st, the owner can then move to HPOF.
  4. Thanks Matt. AACA is justified in having a further conversation with the owner as to the authenticity of this vehicle.
  5. This also raises the question, if, and I say IF, this is not a legitimate conversion recognized within AACA guidelines, does it alter the awards outcome for the other vehicles in the class with regards to the 10 point spread?
  6. We're armchair quarterbacking here. The burden of proof lies with the owner. Apparently the judging team took this vehicle at face value. And someone might say, why not? It's a hearse. Anyone remember the Met taxi last year?
  7. That's the one. The owner did say it is one of one. Odd that he said it was a '64 Caddy roof grafted on to the Lincoln.
  8. Steve, I was just a curious admirer, and those were the "facts" as I understood them from the owner. Regretfully, my next question should have been, when was it converted? The Lincoln indeed was nicely done, but I could not find any conversion company emblems on the vehicle. That's why I inquired who did it. I wonder if anyone on the judging team inquired and asked for documentation from the owner.
  9. I'm certain many of you noticed the unique '69 Continental Hearse in the Professional Car class. Apparently not done by any well-known conversion company like S/S or Miller, the owner told me it was done by himself by grafting the rear roof section from a '64 Cadillac hearse onto the Lincoln sedan. The result being the only Lincoln Continental hearse conversion, according to the owner. Is this type of owner-conversion acceptable in the AACA Professional Car class? It was awarded a 1st Junior.
  10. Did anyone walk the show field to check it out? The sloping side could be testy. What about trailer parking for early Saturday morning arrival? In the past, I was lucky enough to get parking on the Hershey Headquarters lot. Is that an option this year?
  11. I saw SAMBARN'S post telling us he is bringing a Keller to Hershey. What other rarities (or not so rare beauties) can we expect to see? Tell us what you will be entering. I'll be showing my '68 Plymouth, as I've done for many years since it turned 25 years old.
  12. Is the unrestored one in the photo above yours also? Looking forward to seeing this at Hershey.
  13. Bored? Thanks to your efforts, these cars were appreciated by each of us, even at the worst time in their lives, and in their final days. These photos serve as their epitaph.
  14. As it is the owner's responsibility to provide appropriate literature if the AACA judging team questions authenticity of your vehicle, where should this material be on the show field? For example, the owner's manual, showroom brochure, or even the shop manual could answer judge's inquiries. Is it acceptable to display this material neatly with the vehicle of should it be kept out of sight? While not new to the AACA show routine, I'm going for my 34th preservation, I've always wondered what to do with my owner's manual (in the closed glovebox or on the seat)? Is it OK to have my dealer Trim Selector book (pictures only, no swatches) displayed in the trunk along with 1 showroom brochure and maybe 1 small ad for my model Plymouth? Can the acceptable display on the AACA show field vary depending on your class and award sought. Should display of literature differ if you're seeking Jr/Sr as opposed to Repeat Preservation? How much literature, if any, can be displayed in HPOF or DPC?
  15. Hope you can post some photos here. We like pictures.
  16. As we are more than halfway through the 2013 AACA Meet season, just wondering if there have been any entrants in Class 39 Special Interest for celebrity cars, etc. None have been included in Meet Winners Lists to date, of course as this is a display only class. Anyone know if any are registered for Hershey?
  17. Cutlasguy, did you notice the Oldsmobile club is NOT listed on next year's registration? Omitted, deleted?
  18. OK, so the issue of new paint was brought up. A good friend of mine, who's car has been HPOF certified, tried for Original last season. On the showfield, the team captain wanted to speak with the owner about his car being repainted. For that reason he was denied the Original certification. I agree. The team captain continued on to inform him that because of the new paint, he was to relinquish the HPOF badge and move into class judging or DPC. Ultimately, the vehicle DID NOT receive Repeat HPOF. The owner admits the car was repainted PRIOR to receiving HPOF certification, but is otherwise original in all aspects. Then was told "the rules have changed". HPOF certification is a moving target, but I thought it was said certifications prior to subsequent rule changes were grandfathered.
  19. My question, where were all of the Metropolitans and Crosleys? The Mets used to arrive in a swarm, numbering 30 or so. Saturday and Sunday saw 8 and 10 respectively. And Crosley, after being the feature car last year with a large turnout, only saw 4 or 5. What happened?
  20. First of all, congratulations to Mr. Landis, the owner of the '88 Ford Econoline at the recent Carlisle Spring Meet, on your First Junior award. What a beautiful ORIGINAL vehicle. For the purpose of discussion, what criteria lead to this vehicle to be placed in Class 27, Production vehicles 1988? One typically expects to find automobiles in this class. The Econoline, even the passenger version as this was, is based on the commercial work-related Econoline. Earlier Chevrolet Suburbans through the '60's are also based on the commercial chassis, and have been placed in the appropriate Commercial Vehicle class 22 (Until recently, where later ones are considered Sport Utilities). Does it follow because VW Transporters & Willys Station Wagons are placed in the appropriate Production (automobile) Class? The lone Plymouth Voyager Minivan present at Carlisle falls into Production as it is based on the K-car automobile, as an alternative to the familiar station wagon. Again, it was a beautiful and deserving vehicle. Anyone have an opinion and care to discuss?
  21. Will some or all of the food stands under the grandstand be open? How about the Subway at the far end of the showfield?
  22. Sorry to hear it rained again. It rained each of the 3 years I attneded. How many cars were there?
  23. Let me begin by saying, I was a big fan of HPOF at its' inception, and when the year cut-off of 35 years was instituted my Plymouth was there! As the class has evolved, I am considering removing my Plymouth from HPOF. First, as in this discussion, I feel that too many later model "clunkers" are recently achieving HPOF status, most likely due to mixed information given to evaluators. Yes, if items have passed their point of servicability, what does it offer the restorer per originality? Any back-row used car or operable junk yard dog 25 years old could be considered for HPOF. When I see a daily driven clunker that is 25+ years old on the highway, I jokingly say to myself, "Oh, that's HPOF". As for the Bamford Dodge above, I remember the car at Hershey. I was all over it, it's awesome, and should be commended for being driven from Edmonton. I hope it's still going strong. Although I thought it better suited for DPC. On the other side of the coin, are many vehicles displayed in HPOF that should be considered in class judging. I recall parking next to a beautiful Ford product recently in Hershey considered for HPOF. If I'd had a dollar for everyone who commented he was wasting his time in HPOF, my registration would have been covered. It was a definite shoe-in for 1st Jr/Sr. Also that cute little imported SUV at Hershey, too good for HPOF. But I guess it's the owner's choice. With entrants in HPOF at extreme ends of the spectrum, it seems the HPOF definition has become increasingly clouded.
  24. It's noted on the registration there is a $20 fee for trailer parking on the fairgrounds. The hotel I've chosen has limited trailer parking on a first-come basis. My question is, can the $20 fee be collected when I arrive in Carlisle, in the event my hotel lot is full, or must I pre-pay in advance when I register? Or I may just drive the car out.