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  1. John - If your heart isn't in it to deal with the issues that go with the bigger model, you're at the correct point to stop and change directions. Nothing worse than jumping in, tearing everything apart, then having to sell a stalled project. You are absolutely correct that it's easier to restore and drive a half ton. Parts vendors are much easier to find, NOS and reproduction parts plentiful. While some of us are drawn to the bigger models despite (or BECAUSE of) the challenges they present, I readily admit that's me, we're in the minority. I've carried it even further by focusing on the Marmon-Herrington all wheel drive models for which reproduction drive train parts do not exist. I guess your search begins for an F-1/100. Sounds like there'll be a '49 F-3 available to somebody in Ky. Stu
  2. John - Based on the pictures, and based on old catalog research I've done for guys several times, those are widowmakers. From what I've found in the old catalogs, there were only two 17" truck wheels made back then having the 8 lug x 6.5" bolt pattern. One is the widow maker Firestone "RH-5°" two piece used by Ford, the other a three piece Kelsey Hayes "AR" wheel used by Chevy. I'll link in some pictures I took of one of my widow makers to allow you to compare. The surest way for you to see this for yourself is to look at the concave side of a wheel. There will be a raised band like area that the center is riveted to. That is the centerline joint of the widow maker. My F-3 Marmon-Herrington trucks used different wheels than the 2wd F-3s. The 17" wheels used by M-H on these trucks were used on no other Ford products. Long story short, finding correct replacements is what started me studying truck wheels. The only other trucks that used my wheels were Studebaker M15s of the 1940s and IHC R150/160s of the early '50s. Edit - so that I don't look like I'm contradicting my above statement about 17" truck wheels, the M-Hs had 5 lug x 8" bolt pattern deeply dished Budd type wheels. Stu Dave- As explained to me by Chuck Mantiglia (Chuck's Trucks), the '48 to '51s had the 8BA, the '52s had the 8RT. I think the '53s got the EAB heads, but I didn't hear that from Chuck. The difference in the 8BA and 8RT is compression ratio. The 8RT has less compression. Stu
  3. John - Now if I may I'll take you in a different direction. Your '48 F-3 has a breed "problem", I'll call it, that at some point you'll need to address. All two wheel drive '48 to '52 F-3s have 17" two part wheels. The technical name for the outer rim design is Firestone RH-5°. The present day working name for them is "widow makers". No reputable tire shop will touch the things today. Replacement options do exist. This subject gets a lot of traffic over on the FTE site I linked you to above. You might join us over there, and you might do a Google search of those terms. You'll find a lot of comments and tech info connected to my user name. Stu
  4. On the '48 to '50s I know only enough to be dangerous when it comes to VINs. Except to say that the "R" is V8, the "Y" is F-3 (heavy 3/4 ton), and the 198311 the individual number. The expert on '48 to '50 VINs is member "mtflat" over on the Ford Truck Enthusiast's site. Here's a LONG thread that will tell you all there is to know I think. Stu
  5. Pretty sure they were red from 48 to 51. Here's a good link. It's the Vanpelt site. Stu Flathead Specifications: 1949-53 V8
  6. The color of '51 truck 8BA engines was red. The '51 car engines were bronze. The trucks in '52 and '53 were green. Chuck Mantiglia of Chuck's Trucks says the green is '52 Lincoln green. The exact red shade I don't know. Chuck recommends getting paint and paint advise from Bill Hirsch. Stu
  7. The only way they are one piece is if they are the 17.5" tubeless variety. If they are an even 17" you're kidding yourself thinking they are one piece. They'll look like they are from the face because, like you said, there is no lock ring. But looking at the concave side you'll see a raised band like are that is the joint where the halves connect. If they are 17s please let the air out before messing with them. Stu
  8. I'd suggest you watch eBay for a Chassis Parts and Accessories Catalog. This provides schematic drawings of all component areas, and lists parts with the model they fit. There are also reprint versions that can be purchased new that cover the 1948 to 1956 model years. Most of the common parts houses have these. I bought my set from Sacramento Vintage Ford Truck. I have both an old manual and the reproduction set, and would warn that the reprint version lists some newer replacement parts instead of old original part numbers which can be confusing if you don't know to watch for it. Second, while you've not asked, I'll mention that you might have to think about replacement wheels. All F-350s from 1953 to 1966 have wheels that have 6 lugs x 7.25" bolt pattern. The fact that you said yours are the 17" size says to me they are the very dangerous type that are today called "widow makers". The technical term for their outer rims is "Firestone RH-5°". I'd suggest you Google these terms to read about them. You've not said whether you have single rear wheel or dually, but in either case replacements exist. Replacements might not be easy to find, though, because nobody makes wheels anymore having this bolt pattern. Unless you have them custom made. Replacements that will work for you exist in 16" tube type two part designs, called "locking ring", or in one piece tubeless 17.5" and 19.5" sizes. Hopefully, although you said you have 17" wheels, you actually have these 17.5" wheels. These were first offered as an option on 1956 F-350s. Stu McMillan
  9. Well heck. Please ignore my above wrong comments. I might have looked better at the enlarged picture, huh? Those are demountable rims. There were dozens of styles made by Firestone, Kelsey, Hayes, Jaxon, and several others. I think Coker and Universal sell new ones, but doubt you want them. Probably any make would cover your needs as long as the diameter was correct. Tires and rims both will have to come from another collector's junk pile. Stu
  10. Larry - Back to your original question, I think the place to start is to identify the truck's bolt pattern. Since you say it is a 1.5 ton and has Budd style hubs, that says it should have steel disc wheels. I researched this a while back for another fellow, and IIRC, it turned out that these early Dodge Bros. trucks had a 5 lug x 6 7/8" bolt pattern. Same as a Ford Model AA. If that's correct, you'd be able to widen your search parameters. You measure the bolt circle by putting your tape on the far edge of one stud, then jumping the second stud in the circle, you measure to the middle of the third stud. Assuming it's a 5 lug pattern, that measurement should be right on 6 7/8". If it's a 6 lug pattern you just measure across the studs middle to middle. That measurement might be 7.25". I don't know squat about early Dodge Bros. trucks, but do have a pretty good library of old wheel literature that takes me back to 1927. If you can get me the measurement, I can confirm or correct my recall then hopefully aim you in the right direction. As for finding suitable wheels, I'd think being in California would be helpful since there's more big swap meets there than out here in the middle of the country. But that said, I go to Iola every year and there is a Ford Model A parts vendor always there that has wheels for the AAs. I generally gather up later wheels having the 5 lug x 8" pattern when I find them, but haven't had need to do so with these earlier ones. So, if you can take a measurement, I'll see what I can find in the books. Stu McMillan
  11. By now you should have gotten an email from my son regarding a Glasspar G2 that was in a shed near where he lived in Portland, OR. Judging by the pictures he shared with me at the time it had been sitting there undisturbed for many years. So hopefully it still sits there. I hope the site map that he provided allows you to track the car down. Stu McMillan
  12. Have you been to the Power Wagon Advertiser site? It's good. I also subscribe to the magazine and have seen several stories of WC53 restorations there. I'd think you could connect with other owners that would share digital pics of their interiors. Stu Welcome to Power Wagon Advertiser
  13. Here they are. Hope they post here like on other sites. Stu
  14. I have a special interest in old car and truck wheels, but admit that yours are much older than I normally get involved with. So if what I have to say isn't helpful, I'll butt out. But if it helps, here's what I found. My 1927 National Wheel and Rim Association catalog says that 1917/1918 Dodge Brothers cars, all models, used Kelsey rim #100, clamp #C-11, and bolt #B-111. But starting in 1918 it says that Dodge equipped its cars with a "special Stanweld rim that came to be known in the trade as the 'Dodge Bros. rim' (which was) standard equipment on Dodge models during 1918, 1919, and 1920". The Stanweld rim was replaced by a Jaxon No. X25 replacement rim. It was 32" x 3.5", used wedge #W-4 and bolt #B-21. I have no picture or specifics on the Stanweld rim, but can if it helps post pictures of the Jaxon rim and clamp. The bolt is described as being 7/16" x 20 tpi, 2 3/4" length measured from under the head. I also have a picture of the Kelsey C-11 clamp but do not, I regret, have pictures of the Kelsey 100 rim or bolt. Stu