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  1. Thanks John. Re: A-bodies, we are thinking along same lines. About five years ago I did a very rough mod on 49 Chevy fastback sedan to see what a late 30's Sixteen grill might look like. Concluded that the headlights looked best inset. There's an idea for the white car.
  2. Glad you liked them! OK, here's what the Design Center came back with, benefiting from a little help from Accounting. (disclosure: I was the Studio cost lead for latest Blazer and mid-engine Vette so am sympathetic to appearance, packaging and affordability). Here's a progression, first image being the production fastback roof on 62's 126 wb, with no axle-to-dash extension. This would be an easy car to build today if all the parts where there. Second image lengthens the chassis 7 inches per 60 Special. In other words, it is the 60 Special with a fastback roof, minus the 60S's 4 inch longer rear overhang and side trim. Rear seat could have been positioned anywhere along a 7 inch length, enabling good headroom while increasing legroom vs. 62 (and 60S?). I did some photo comparisons and turns out 60S doors are same width as 62, moved forward 7 inches relative to rear axle. 60S rear fender bulge's forward termination point relative to rear axle is same as 62. Third image adds the 7 inch axle-to-dash extension from earlier images, creating a whopping 140 inch wheelbase. I like this car, has a massive look about it in keeping with traditional Sixteens. Fourth is one approach at working in your suggested trim progression. Enjoy! EDIT: updated the last image to include triple trim on rear fenders too.
  3. Struggling with the front. First doubles the number of vertical bars, second borrows overall shape from other GM cars, particularly '40 Buick. Neither have the presence of my favorite, the '37.
  4. Re: long hood... absolutely. Several years ago I used it to balance out the raised rear of a '69 Olds. Streamliners are helped by a long hood.
  5. Glad you like it. The car would need three donors: '48 Sedanette, '39-40 Sixteen and '50 Buick or Olds 98 Town Sedan, all in fair shape at best so as not to destroy history. The Town Sedan is very rare but its side window frames would fit nicely, see update. The previous image had longer front doors (from 60 Special?) and shorter rear doors than the 62 sedan. This version has 62's entire front door and rear door lower. I think the long hood makes the car but the stock hood would have to be reshaped to smoothly meld in the extension. Would the '38-40 grill look good grafted in? Probably not, but something would need done even if it was only swapping out the egg-crate grill inner bars with a finer mesh similar to Sixteens of old. Would want to use the '50 Buick's one-piece windshield and rear glass.
  6. Daydreaming of the '38-40 engine in a '48 streamlined sedan on 133 wb, the 7 extra inches added forward of firewall. Not sure how the front should look but it would need to be very classy.
  7. Came across a clean period ad of a '75 Coronet and just had try on an Imperial suit for size. That workaday sedan cleans up nicely.
  8. Excellent choices!!! All I could afford was the book by Simon Moore. 30 years ago it was very hard to find.
  9. Here's a try at 3-door derivatives of the 5-door cars that might have had broader appeal than AMX and Gremlin because the 108/109 wheelbase would be shortened by 6 instead of 12 inches. A 102 wb Gremlin would still be compact but rear legroom would be greatly improved and no 2 seater option would be offered. It would be offered on the 103 wb Javelin coupe to give racers the opportunity to remove weight, while a 4 seater with the familiar pathetic Gremlin rear seat would be standard. AMX name would be used for the mid-engined car, Javelin for the RWD series and Gremlin for the FWD series. Five cars total.
  10. Looking at the broad sweep of AMC's activities in the 10 year period beginning with 1968, the theme seems to be that the traditional small cars weren't selling anywhere near what they had been in the early Sixties. Nothing was hitting the mark, not even Javelin and Hornet, though noteworthy on the latter the 2 door hatchback and 4 door wagon were the most popular body styles, which suggests that buyers wanted utility. Speaking of which, Gremlin had a few good years but with its compromised package not the kind of volume that was going to sustain the company. My conclusion is that AMC was offering too many cars, and more specifically that AMC was spreading its available capital too thin such that none of its cars were able to disrupt the market in any significant way. This and Hornet's body style take rates makes me wonder what life would have been like had AMC made as its backbone two cars, the first the rear wheel drive AMX 5-door hatchback and the second, a 5-door Gremlin with an all-new underbody highlighted by front wheel drive "borrowed with pride" from Toronado. The first would have been the pricing play, the second the volume play and both dialing in a pricing/volume mix that led to healthy profit. With these cars as the base, the company would have needed to be very careful about additional models even if they were simply derivatives. Maybe a short wheelbase 3-door AMX and Gremlin, both with Gremlin's skimpy rear seat. Definitely an Italian-sourced mid-engine car because that investment would have come out of Marketing's budget and helped the entire company. No Javelin, the company was late to the party anyway. And no Hornet, the 5-passenger AMX and Gremlin attacking that space from the top and bottom. Here's the Gremlin nice and clean without the power bulge hood. Imagine with a longitudinal Six (and maybe a Four derived from it), front wheel drive, flat floor with no transmission hump, fuel safely under rear seat and spare nicely tucked away behind beam rear axle in a covered well under the load floor. Smart, functional and with no direct competition until Rabbit. THAT might have sold by the hundreds of thousands annually and made AMC lots of money, with no need for Pacer and other silliness. EDIT: took 3 inches off front overhang to balance with short rear overhang. Might have restricted engine choices to a Four and V8 unless they could have figured out how to package the Six.
  11. AMC's wagon concept (first image) points to a very interesting opportunity... a sporty 4-door hatchback/wagon. Because the wagon concept looks a bit utilitarian I can't help but come back to the 109 wb AMX 4-door except now ditching Javelin's notched backlight/decklid for a hatchback that fills in the notch, following the roofline to the back. Inside AMC's wagon concept notice a predictive feature: rear head restraints. These could have been included in the green AMX 5-door. To visually lower the front have removed the power bulge and added a spoiler. Even without an independent rear suspension I think this car could have helped change the perception people had of AMC, and because of its broader market appeal may well have driven stronger sales and pricing than the 97 wb AMX 2-door. If AMC could have only afforded one in-house entry this might have been a good choice, a mid-engine AMX sports car built in Italy and the Javelin supporting the racing program.
  12. Most affordable would be '74 Lux LeMans. Stepping up a bit, red '70 Toro that I would customize by hiding the headlights the way GM Design probably had intended.
  13. 2-door moves closer to Fred Hudson's original idea. The Shooting Brake style is my favorite but unfortunately much less usable than 4-door version.
  14. That's great info, thanks. Seems Gremlin's poor visibility is now accepted for many crossovers. And my wife's Vibe. With its 6 inch shorter rear overhang AMC never found a good home for Gremlin's spare. My wife drove her parents late 70's Subaru sedan for a while, was the car I learned to drive stick on. It had a flat 4 and FWD and the spare was mounted on top of the engine. So how about a Gremlin flat 6 with spare on top? Could have still been RWD. Another solution would have been Toronado's FWD layout, which would have allowed a flat floor front and rear and the spare packaged under floor behind the rear seat. Could have still come with a V8. But AMC would have been into a major tear-up, probably not something they could have afforded. The Hornet Sportabout and Hatchback bring to mind Fred Hudson's Rogue Sport Wagon concept shown at link in original post. Maybe a 4 door Javelin Sport Wagon was an opportunity. Like Hornet would have been called Sportabout to avoid the wagon connotation.
  15. A more vertical rear door window frame might look better. Needs Javelin front.
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