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  1. From initial appearances, it looks like you have a 1929 Marmon 78. 1928 78's had vertical hood louvers, but the 1929 (and late 1928's) model had horizontal, as does yours. Your engine number is also correct for a 1929 Model 78 power plant. The Marmon Club has in its registry one known Model 78 Phaeton, which we last heard of in 2000, when it was believed o be "95% restored." As this car was also in Brazil, it is probably the one you have, although the club has a record of a different engine number (N7625). You are correct that Marmon did not make a phaeton body for this model, but it did sell chassis to custom body builders, and Model 78 town cars and sports versions existed, although not finished at the Marmon plant in those configurations. I cannot explain the apparently shorter wheelbase. It is possible that you have a 1930 Model 8-69, which had a 119" wheelbase, with a 1929 engine. Do you have the VIN number? That would help.
  2. David: I am pretty certain I know some of the recent history of your grandfather's car, but would rather not spell it out in detail here in the forum. Please contact me directly at
  3. GreenSixteen

    1927 Marmon

    I just checked our club registry, and I think what you are referring to as a 2-door sedan is what we call a coupe. Of 34 known survivors, we have three 1927 Model L "Little Marmon" coupes (2-door hardtops) on the list. When you rejoin, you's receive a new club directory listing all the known cars Marmon has made.
  4. As the president of the Marmon Club, and as the guy who started the Marmon registry, I have been asked to put in my two cents here. We have in our club registry 96 Marmon Sixteens; BUT, we count everything anyone has ever seen since records were first kept beginning in 1955 (with work done by Bill Gibson of the VMCCA). When you separate out the parts cars, chassis, and vehicles that haven't been seen since 1968, you quickly reduce the number to 82 known Marmon Sixteens. But, there aren't that many. The easiest identification plate to find on a Sixteen is mounted in the engine compartment on the firewall. However, it is the body number, not the chassis number, (Marmon numbers do not match), and in some instances when owners registered with the CCCA or with us, over the years they have mistakenly given us the body number rather than the serial number, and the car has been listed twice. We have a member of the club who is actively trying to straighten these things out, and he currently believes the number of complete survivors is about 71. Why so few? Because Marmon built no more than 390 of them, that's why. (That too is under investigation, and the true number was probably more like 375). Still, that is a great survivor rate, mainly because these Sixteens were always seen as something truly special. As others have pointed out above, lesser makes built in far larger numbers have many fewer survivors, both in absolute number and by percentage. That is true too of other Marmon models. Marmon made over 110,000 cars during its 30 year run, and we know of only about 650 survivors of all models combined. More than 10% of those are Sixteens. Is there a chance a few more are hidden away in barns? Yes (although the last "new" car to come to the attention of the club is the one I own, which was added to the list for the first time in 1994). We know of 9 Sixteens that haven't been seen in a long time; 5 since 1955, the rest since 1968. (Two more have disappeared since 1985). Surely not all of them were parted out. So, there is some hope- but parts cars are now just about impossible to find, so if you find part of a Sixteen, you may never find the rest....! This year, we had two great gatherings of Sixteens. Six came to Indianapolis for the Celebration of the Automobile last May (two others broke down on the way), and 9 came to the Glenmoor Gathering in September (8 in the show, 1 across the auction block). We did both of these shows, as well as the Vintage Race Weekend Show at Watkin's Glen, to which I drove our Sixteen with my Dad in the passenger seat, back to the place where, after the first Grand Prix in 1948, he took this same car airborne over the railroad crossing after the end of the race. He and the Sixteen were big hits with the spectators, then and now!
  5. I have confirmed that the car exists, has been very nicely restored, and is in fact owned by one of the most enthusiastic Marmon Sixteen owners in the country. It spent some time in the Bill Harrah collection, and was in fact owned when new by the last president of the Marmon company in the 1930's (prior to Palsgrove taking it to school.)
  6. To have any chance of certainty (seeing how we know the fate and/or existence of only 90 odd Sixteens of the 375+ that were made), we would need to know a bit more about the car. BUT, if it was a dark blue, seven-passenger sedan, about which I have heard a similar story, it might now be owned by a member of the Marmon Club in Illinois. What more can you tell me?
  7. We are working on a 1917 Empire, and need to find someone who can mount 34x4 tires on to split rims (26"). Can anyone suggest someone who can do this who is located in Upstate/Western New York, or northwestern PA?
  8. Brad: I note the reply that said chemical tests had confirmed at least part of the wood in the car is white oak. White oak is one of the best water and rot resistant woods there is, which explains why it was there; it was typical of Marmon to use the best. It is also exceptionally strong. I would use white oak wherever I could in this restoration if I were you. Also, Olson's Gaskets are an excellent source. When I needed head gaskets for my Marmon 16, they had them on the shelf!
  9. If someone was looking to auction off a 1920's automobile in Arizona, who would you turn to to sell it? The car is not a Duesy or a fancy Packard, but it is a 7-passenger sedan of a relatively rare and desirable make, in good, complete condition. Can anyone give me some thoughts or suggestions? (It MUST be sold at auction) Thanks
  10. The Marmon Company's "Model T" was the Model 68, and the engine number, T-8692, confirms that Buck Barrow's car was indeed a 68, undoubtedly of the "second series," which came out in August 1928 and continued unchanged from them until the end of the 1929 model year. It's most recognizable feature in a photo would have been horizontal hood louvres, and of course, the Marmon "pyramid" at the top of the radiator shell. Had it been a Model 78, which was the higher end model, it would have had an engine number starting with "N". can you tell me why you are interested in identifying the Marmon?
  11. Ron: Are you related to Wendell Platt, a Marmon owner (of what he thought was a 1916 Model 34) from Idaho who belonged to the Marmon Club in 1979? How is your project coming along? If you aren't related to Wendell, I am in the process of compiling a registry of all known Marmon cars, and I would love to be able to add your car to the list. You can contact me directly at I look forward to hearing from you.
  12. I am compiling a registry of all known Marmon automobiles. If you are a member of the Marmon Club, I probably already have you in it, but if you are not, I would very much like to include you and you car. To do so, I would need to know your car and engine serial numbers, the year and model, and your own contact information, if you wouldn't mind sharing it. Let me know.
  13. Pete: I am the president of the Marmon Club. I may want to use the pic you posted of Ron (taken at Philadelphia?) in an upcoming issue of the Marmon News. Can I have your permission to do that? George Bradley