Mr Pimptastic

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ex98thdrill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">actually any point that i brought up could benefit ANYone showing a car. member of the aaca or not. so no, i would not call it a moot point. if anything, it has opened up additional discussion that may otherwise have not happened</div></div>Until you join AACA and bring a car onto one of our showfields, what you have to say is a moot point. We know the game, you don't, and you want to have fault with what we do??? Join the club, bring your car out, learn the system and then debate this, until then, go to another car club and bash their system. </div></div> how can that be? the fact that I CURRENTLY don't own something "worthy of showing" at the fall hershey event (or any other aaca event for that matter - as i have a strong attachement to addtional chrome and metallic non-factory paints), means my questions warrant no validity, and are a moot point? how is one to become more knowledgeable in the inner workings of how things operate, w/o asking questions, encouraging discussion, etc?? so i am just supposed to send in my $35, just to learn some more about what YOU can do for ME? i don't quite think that is how it will operate. seeing, and interacting with people, both live and in person, and *gasp* on the internet, are just two addtional ways to learn how the club operates. i hate to generalize the club in the fashion, as you being just a tiny percentage of the members really have no difference from anyone else to tell me what is moot. you, as i, are just one person. what says that your way, your thoughts, your methodology is correct? i am sure that for as many people that are "siding" with you that i am the "apparent new bad seed", there are just as many people out there cheering me on, because i had enough kutspah, to voice my thoughts (as have several others). this has escelated to a point, where for me, it has become personal. i'm sure this post will bring on yet another flurry of "me too" posts, but all i am trying to do is find out more about how things work. and judging by what i am seeing posted by a few, makes me wonder, and scratch my head. bring on the onslought of quips, and nastygrams. I had never intended to be the trouble maker, i apparently have become around here. debate what? how silly i think some things are? i could go on for hours about that, but i won't. it's not worth my time, or yours for that matter. do you have any other clubs in mind that i could infiltrate, and bash then mr. ex98thdrill? i would love to hear your suggestions. this thread would have been long dead with the likes of Henry Ford, and Harley Earl, and a bunch of others, had i not brought into question some issues that I FOUND ODD (i dont think i ever was saying it shouldn't be - just that i had never heard of something like opening doors etc. at ANY carshow that i have been to in the past 15+ years) moot point. ha. you sir are a moot point. i shall not fire, until fired upon. now where did i put that spare $35 i had? i might just join, so that way, WE sir, WE can be equals on the playing field. and I too can spout random bits of information around. How dandy would THAT be? you and I, in the same club. I can hardly wait.

actually any point that i brought up could benefit ANYone showing a car. member of the aaca or not. so no, i would not call it a moot point. if anything, it has opened up additional discussion that may otherwise have not happened. have a great friday! it's a wonderful fall day, here in CePA!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bob Hill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I assume by the show last weekend, you meant Hershey? If you don't understand our judging; how can you understand why some cars win and others don't? Before I started to compete seriously I would look at my car and think "surely I should have beat that car" but it wasn't until I started seeing what judges were looking fro (became one myself and learned through on-the-job training) and found out that a car can look good but be wrong and a car can be "not so flashy" and be totally correct. </div></div> Yes, I was referring to Hershey. When one sees blatantly obvious things that are nowhere near stock, and even to the untrained eye it is noticible, that is where i question things. it was not a "well this car is obviously nicer" and should have won mentality i was thinking... but a "wow, i can't believe that THAT placed, especially with X, Y and Z sticking out like sore thumbs" Maybe next year I will bring out my 1980 vehicle which i have not had the chance to modify yet. it is 100% bone stock (unless rust, and fiberglass counts as a modification). it runs, all of the doors open and close, and even the dash is uncracked. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bob Hill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think this is a place for any person who enjoys car BUT just like every other club, we have a way things are done and have been done for years. Many of the folks here like stock, original cars and we enjoy showing them. And part fo that showing is that we accpet the rules as they are stated. If I don't like the rules, I simply don't show my car - I don't come here and tell everyone how wrong the rules are. And again, I have two Senior Cars and I have no problem with the rules that hte judges can open the doors, etc. and I have yet to have one damage my car in any form or fashion.</div></div> aside from getting the "become a judge" lecture, how is the layman supposed to know what the rules are if they don't ask? you (plural, not you as in "you" Bob Hill) keep saying about the stock original cars... not once did i not say i did not appreciate them. i do. very much so. why is it that you think i found myself on the grassy knoll on saturday then? it wasn't to buy a $7 cheeseburger, and i surely wasn't there to see a pimped out ride of any sort. all i was getting at, is that as with some of the other posters in here i find it very odd that someone can open a vehicle that is not theres. plain and simple. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bob Hill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yea, it is free but it also has rules and coming in here telling all of us how "stupid" we are for allowing certain things to take place at a show will not make many friends.</div></div> wrong. never said that anyone is stupid. stupid is as stupid does. see my paragraph above. i believe there is some reading betwixt the lines here now. am i not entitled to express my own opinion on things? i know now i am coming across like the racoon that has been backed into the corner, feeling the need to defend every step i make. being on edge. thinking thru every single post i make from this point out... oh dear, will someone read into what i am saying in a manner other than originally intended? i did not sign up (metaphorically speaking) for that. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bob Hill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pay your annual dues to AACA and we will give you the secret handshake </div></div> we shall see about that. we shall see. a fool and his money are soon parted. (that is a joke. laugh. it was meant to be funny) i will say it again and again. i am not here to mock, pick on, ridicule, make fun of, poke a stick at, etc, etc, etc towards anyone. I'm a car guy. period. I also need a drink. a strong one. make it a double. a double on the double.

once again, someone 100% misunderstood what i was saying. that comment was made in a tounge in cheek fashion, and it got blown out of proportion. i am not a troublemaker, and i make not plans to be one. so because i am into modified cars, as opposed to "100% bone stock original cars" (which by the way, several of the cars i noticed this past weekend that won things most likely should not have - <span style="font-style: italic">in my opinion</span>) so now i can't come here, gain knowledge, and share stories as i delve further into the depths of the archived web forum, all without now having the <span style="color: #FF0000">scarlet T</span> (for troublemaker) assigned to me? I am truley flabbergasted, and slightly disheartened. I spoke at great lengths the other day via pm, with someone (of apparently high ranking nature) who truley seemed to understand what i was asking, and where i was coming from with my questions. you however, ms shop rat, seem to not quite grasp that concept. however it seems as though this may not be the place to be for me. I figured with something like the aaca, the museum, and all things hershey just a stones throw from my backyard - and just finding out about the forums this past weekend - that maybe i jumped to one too many conclusions. And for the record, I too am insulted. the last time i checked, this was a free forum, and that i don't need to be a paying club member of the aaca to have joined and post here. I notice again as i re-read my thoughts, that the tag line i quoted above, says nothing about stock or modified... it mentions (in CAPITAL letters) ALL automobiles. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Antique Automobile Club of America discussion forum is a FREE online community for those interested in exchanging information about ALL antique, classic, and collectible automobiles. AACA membership IS NOT required to register. Explore, read, contribute, and enjoy! </div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you would not understand how we do things or why </div></div> is this some sort of secret club that i need to know the secret handshake to get into then using your logic? if so, how will i ever find out the secret handshake if it is a secret? so i guess reading, and posting questions is one way to NOT understand things, correct? FYI "kool kids" was meant as a joke, to somewhat lighten the mood, which apparently has backfired (much like several of the vehicles i heard starting on Saturday). maybe i should have followed it with a "ha ha" (but then you would have jumped on the "oh no, he is laughing at us" bandwagon)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ex98thdrill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ]Not trying to sound nasty, but if you don't intend to show your car at an AACA national meet, and you don't plan to judge at an AACA national meet, then why would you debate an issue that doesn't apply to you?? It really doesn't make sense to argue about something that will never affect you..... This would be like me going onto the NCRS website and blast them for their judging procedures when I don't own a Corvette. </div></div> i was not trying to argue. thanks for taking it THAT direction. I was trying to get a better grasp as to what is going on. some of what i've been reading sounds so off the wall, it is almost laughable. i have NEVER heard of judges opening up cars before. EVER. the main reason i won't show at an aaca event, is that plain and simple, i don't drive stock vehicles. every single vehicle i own, or have owned, has been modified to some extent. thus not fitting in with the "kool kids" (please note the sarcasm in that comment) and their super clean restorations. i'm a car enthusiast. plain and simple. i like the restored superbird as much as the body dropped s-10 on 20" wheels. i like cars. i like car shows. i like to see other peoples ideas come to fruition. if you took it as a blast, towards you or the judging personally. well so be it. it was not intented in that manner.

i'll preface this by saying... i haven't shown at an AACA meet, i dont plan to show at an AACA meet, and it is highly doubtful that i will ever judge at an AACA meet.... i will however say... that if i ever saw ANYone, touching my vehicle, opening my doors, etc. and i had not authorized it, regardless of what color hat they were wearing, there would be some immediate issues to address. ESPECIALLY if i had a "do not touch" sign in place. in my 15+ years of showing various types of vehicles, in various types of environments, i have NEVER heard anything so ludicrious as a judge opening a car up to view / judge it. and that... is the rest... of the story

this was first time attending the "show" portion of the weekend, and some of the cars that i made myself aware of (personal preference of make and model particularly) i was astounded that they placed, and placed as high as they did. blatant aftermarket "goodies", obvious aftermarket interior, cheesy "not anywhere close" to stock hubcaps and that is just one item on three different cars that i remember the names/clases of wow. i thought this show held itself to a higher standard. when you read about being scrutinized for having factory documentation, and then see some of what i saw, i was just left scratching my head. i'm not knocking the judges, as with the thousands of cars, i'm sure they did an excellent job with what they had available to them. i had not attended this show for prob. the last 16 years or so for one reason or another, but i had a good time. i guess it goes to show, that even the "judging gripes" that you typically see at specialized marque shows carry thru all the way to the top of the eschelon. kudos to the aaca kudos to hershey kudos to the judges and staff kudos to the people who worked their tails off to make it come off to look somewhat effortlessly

i saw some "treasures" on the showfield...but that is most likely NOT what you are referring to. but i made the mistake of eating a pit beef sammich... i paid for that again after leaving saturday night