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  1. Please answer Steve's question. It may help you sell them. 1917 Oldsmobile Model 45, 7 pass. Cabriolet ( 1,226 Miles )
  2. I now have photos of the roller tappets on an SD disc but still need to find out how to put them on the web. I now have a partial manual for this car and have learned that this engine has a 20 to 25 percent improvement in horse power over the earlier cast iron engine. Does anyone know what is comparable to the 600 weight gear oil need for the tranny and differential?
  3. Further identifying information on the "supposed fuel injection". This unit is 8" long from front to back of air inlet and 6" tall from bottom of unit to where it mount to intake. It is made completely of brass and has a large round brass fuel bowl ( holds about a pint of fuel ) that is sealed top and bottom with a small valve on top with a flat spring tab that sits on and over the valve. The main body has ( 2 ) 1" diamater solid brass air mixture adjusting screws that have wire tension springs that engage around the perimeter of the caps in indentations around the caps and are located at the air horn end of the unit. It is side drafted toward the rear of the engine and mounted under the intake thusly up drafting into the manifold. There are ( 2 ) levers (cable activated) at the air horn of the unit that I assume control air flow and choke ( haven't looked inside of the horn yet ). There is a throttle cable that extends down the driver side of the unit to the main body. There are no idle or air mixture screws anywhere that I can see yet. Casting date on side of engine is 5/20/1917. The only identifying marks are cast into the brass lid of the fuel bowl and reads " Ball & Ball, Penberthy Injector Co. Detroit Mi. " Now, I have the spare 9/23/1918 cast iron engine he purchased somewhere. Here are the idendifiers for the fuel system: It has a 1 barrel carburetor that is only 6 " long and 5 " bottom to manifold flange. It has only 1 cable to control the throttle and 1 cable for the choke. There is only one fuel mixture screw and 1 air idle adjuster screw. It appears to be made of cast iron. The only identifying marks are cast into the sides of the fuel bowl on both sides and reads Stromberg, South Bend, USA. Now, tell me what you think we have here?
  4. I have inherited a 1917 Olds Model 45 7 Pass Touring Cabriolet. It has been in closed/dark storage for 48 years. It's last owner purchased it in 1954. It was placed in storage in 1960. It was originally purchased by an Indianapolis Funeral Home for use as their limosine. The odometer reads 1,226 miles. It has beveled glass in the back window and a tilt steering wheel to aid driver entrance. This car has been appraised as a 69 pointer of 100 due to the fact that some racoons got through a hole in the storage and trashed the top and interior. Also due to the fact the engine had not been prepped for initial start and therefore cannot be driven yet. Removed wheel bearings and was amazed to see roller bearings instead of ball bearings. They looked in brand new condition. The same for the Left tie rod pin ( no wear and shined like a mirror). There are some rarities about this car that are being pursued to help verify the information obtained so far by an appraisal firm. These rare items are listed as follows: 1. The engine is an L-head V8 with 2 piece block casting date of 5/20/17 . (Olds produced a cast iron V-8 from 1915 to 1923.) This particular engine has aluminum pistons, aluminum intake, aluminum cylinder heads and Pemberthy/Ball & Ball fuel injection. The previous owner had purchased some spare parts includeing a cast date 9/23/18 engine that has all cast iron parts and a Stromberg carb. The light engine has a different oil pump than the cast iron engine. It appears to have a high volume gear driven rotary pump. It has a large 6 volt starter as well as a crank. The engine cranks over with one hand with the plugs out. 2. The fuel is supplied to the engine via a large electric fuel pump with glass fuel bowls and ceramic filters mounted to either end of the pump. 3. After removing the oil pan to clean and inspect the crankcase components, it appeared that the tappets were not flat. They appear to have rollers riding on the cam at the base of the tappets. This is not evident in the 1918 block. ( The inside of the light crankcase is immaculate and all visible moving parts are shiny.) 4. The history that is being pursued is the fact that Oldsmobile was asked to produce some engines for Liberty/Lycombing to use in some WWI aircraft. They used the original design of the cast iron V-8 with the aluminum and fuel injection to make the engine lighter and perform better at high altitudes. Olds then decided to put some of these engines in a few cars to see how they would perform. If anyone has any information that might be of help, it would be greatly appreciated. I would like to find an owners manual or service manual for this also. I would post some pictures if I could figure out how.
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