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  1. The first 400-point judging was in Batavia, NY for the 1989 national meet. I am a bit frustrated and depressed over the phone call I got this morning from a chapter director who shall remain nameless. He was upset that some of his members did not do better in the judging. They brought home Silver awards instead of Gold and were so upset that they were "crying" at the awards banquet, if you can believe that. It was a phone call of 10-12 minutes of whining and sour grapes. Apparently the only thing these people come to a national meet for is to get a Gold or a New Senior award, and if they don't they think it's the judges' fault. That's pretty sad. I suggested to him that some of his members might want to take a look at their priorities in life, and I"m sure he didn't like that either. I go for the selection of old Buick parts, and the chance to renew friendships with old friends and to see wonderful cars, many of which I have never seen before. Yes, I occasionally enter my car in the 400-point judging, but the best I have ever done is a silver award, and guess what--I do not demean the judges or complain to the meet organizers about it. This is national competition, and if every car that's entered goes home with an award, then the awards aren't worth much. Period. Pete Phillips, BCA #7338
    9 points
  2. Just an opinion as a member that has participated in the judging program since its inception. All single marque car clubs have judging as a part of their National meets. The BCA 400 point system works better than most because it is in fact judging an automobile against a standard. A plain black 2 door sedan "stripo" model has exactly the same chance of wining an award as does the yellow convertible in the same class. If a member wants to have his car judged, It is the fairest system I have seen It was originally derived from the AACA system. For members that want to be recognized with an award and have driven their car, they can apply for a driven award. Those that have a totally unrestored car can achieve an archival award. Those that just want to sit and have fun with their friends can just display their car. Those that just want to tour can register for the driving tours , that are usually part of any national Meet, or they can join the BDE and go on an after meet tour. I don't know of any other Club , that offers that many possibilities for "FUN" . The one issue is the no man's land of judging as Larry D had stated. That roadster did not really fit in any category. But I had a talk with the owner early on telling him that, and he did new seem to care. He was thrilled that his car was featured . I do not know of a simple solution to the issue of cars that fall through the cracks in the judging process, but I have to go back to the original thought process behind 400 point judging, and that was to insure that a car wining an award at a BCA meet would be "as it left the factory". The only real trophies that matter to me in my garage are the cars them selves. All that said, I do believe that going forward, the modified cars should be more integrated in to the Chief judges wheelhouse . They currently get judged separately,. and on a different standard than 400 point cars. Another going forward will be "Clone" cars as we get more more GS cars in the club. That issue came up in Denver last year. No system is perfect. The important thing is that the Club works proactively to correct issues as they come up. I had included a questionnaire in this year's registration packet inviting comments on the National Meets in general. So far, I have receive back just under thirty replies. The members sending in the forms overwhelmingly (95%) indicate that their favorite reason for attending is seeing their friends and seeing the cars., Other reason were to have their car judged (35%). The logic seems clear to me that , if we had no cars, we would not have had attendees. Approximately 25% indicated that their favorite part of a National is the tours . Virtually all replies indicate the meets should be moved around to various parts of the Country. No one sending back form indicated anything about the meets, they did not like. We got sone good suggestions about other possible activities. The BCA is a healthy Club in every respect. We have room for everyone to enjoy a National Meet with out wanting to rain on others' parade. JUST GIVING MY OPINION
    9 points
  3. It becomes one's prerogative to respond to people like that. I choose not to. Let em think what they will. I assume people like that are just unconscious of common courtesy. And when I see a perfect car being driven out of a trailer I always think, what a sad affair. But I choose not to say anything like that out loud. It's their car, and their way. Ultimately both cars are at the same event, which make them equal in my eyes. And I know at least one guy who appreciates my cars for what they are. That's this guy, the one who drove it there.
    8 points
  4. I am going to wade into the waters here First the disclaimer i was not at the national, i wish i could have been, i had a good friend there who has a good take on the hobby feeding me information and pics from the show we just had our 40th annual local Buick show with 105 Buick's on the field day of show I was the co chairman of the first show we had with the director and being the current Director ran this show with a dedicated group of members and family and have been part of just about all of the 40 missing just a couple. All shows have been driver peer judging i have been to 9 nationals so far judged at 2 and am planning to hopefully attend the next 2 i do not own a 400 point car but i do have nice respectable cars just some background to let those know i have some dealings with putting on car shows over the years not being pompous just stating fact After reading all of the above comments there are many valid points being made first off no matter how hard you try you will never ever please everyone we have tried, you have to find the best balance and that changes like society does over the years if you become to rigid and don't change it will hurt you but keep the judging it is important see below. When i attend a National i want to hopefully see the best of the best, that is exactly where they should be,(i heard this national had many real nice cars) the big dollar restorations, as i am thinking right next to the original in whatever condition and also the driven let me see the full range of what is there side by side, i want to see it all. i would like to see the years together, but i know this can be difficult in some respects The BCA membership has no requirements other than liking Buick's so welcome everyone to the party, yes some owners might look down on those other cars, tough on them be proud of what you brought, the attitude is their problem, but don't expect a trophy. if you know your car be honest with yourself class it accordingly ( archival,display,driven) when my children started playing sports i always taught them there are winners and losers in everything, if you want to win that is your job to try not someone else You will need to keep judging at a national there is always a group that attends for the trophy, Allentown was nice but that was special i don't think it should be every national Clones belong in the modified class they are not original so go to modified they wont like it but it is not original to how that car came out of the factory (we have had problems with this at our car show also) speaking of modified we have struggled with this for just about all of the 40 years, if we are judging to how it came from the factory and other than allowed safety items then anything that is not stock is modified. Leave it up to the owner to place himself in the correct class, we tell them that even in peer judging if you made changes its your decision let them get the deductions if they go into stock, of course the real modified's need to be in the modified class, if you try to have classes to appease all modifications you will drive yourself crazy, our benchmark is to stock. As far as this year being light in car count please keep in mind our schools are still in session today in the northeast so you probably excluded members with school age families and maybe grandparents who help shuttle children and teachers, i know this was probably done to help with the heat in the summer but it has to be a consideration in the future. I believe cars should be on the show field till a certain reasonable time, i to have been disappointed when cars clear out to early As far as trailers i drive my cars but it is the owners choice if he can afford it, i respect the driven cars but also understand all of the reasons for trailers including protection from terrible weather and safety concerns It was mentioned in a different thread i think that live facebooking, instagram and twitter need to be considered if you want to attract the youth. But just wet the appetite don't give them to much make them want to show up The best trophy's i get are the conversations with people who are interested in my cars especially when they talk about a family member who's not around anymore and you know they just opened up a bunch of great memories, part of what we do is history many times private history. So I have said some stuff, you may not agree but that's ok, my opinion
    6 points
  5. You guys are worrying way too much about what other people think. Who cares? If your car makes YOU happy, why do other people's opinions matter? You should hear the comments I get once people find out I'm a dealer, regardless of the venue. At that point, everyone feels like they have 100% permission to say whatever horrible thing is on their mind about my cars, no filters. In fact, many act like they HAVE to say something critical about my car, just to show me they know what they're talking about. This isn't a rare or isolated thing. I would also wager that every person here has seen a car they hated at a show and elbowed their buddy as if to say, "Get a load of THAT thing," if not actually saying it out loud. It happens. This Studebaker was at our local cruise night last Tuesday. Melanie took a photo to send to my youngest son, who probably would have liked it (although his tastes are eclectic, anecdote below). How many of you would have walked past this Studebaker without at least nudging your buddy or spouse with a smirk on your face? How many would have stopped to take a photo to show your friends, as we did? But I bet that guy loves it and has fun with it, and there were people around it talking about it all night. So let's not all pretend our own fecal matter don't stink. I also recall going to the CLC national meet in Columbus six or seven years ago and my youngest son was about three years old at the time. We walked by a purple early '50s Cadillac with flames and a hood scoop and all kinds of unorthodox modifications. My son, being 3, walked past and said out loud, "I hate your car." He was quickly corrected and told to keep it to himself, but he wasn't wrong. It really was awful. He was merely the only one who said it out loud. Everybody doesn't have to like everything. Some people learn to keep their mouths shut and some are three years old forever. If your car makes you smile, that's all that matters. Everyone else is just whistling in the wind. Who cares what some anonymous schmo in a parking lot thinks?
    5 points
  6. I personally agree with you that every car does not need to measure up( but that was the vibe that was being presented)or be a show car but the owner should not expect or feel bad if they don't get a trophy or complain about those that do. I have had many driver or clean originals that i have taken to regionals, nationals of multiple makes and organizations but when I take those I am not put off because I don't get a trophy. I enjoy the judging aspect so I'm a bad person? I am not into the modified cars so I usually just do a quick walk through although I can appreciate the workmanship, I spend lots of time looking at originals, and love to see the details that owners work so hard to get right on show cars, so I appreciate them all. If I came across as only liking the restored cars, that is not the case. A judged field can have show cars and drivers sitting side by side and everyone is getting exactly what they want, those that want judged are judged, those that don't can sit and enjoy their cars and show without the "pressure of competition hanging over your head"(really?), both win, but somehow it comes back to owners feeling bad because they didn't win a trophy - Grow up. B Jake mentioned non judged meets probably having better turnouts - maybe he doesn't remember all the huge meets we had for years WITH formal judging, lack of turnout has nothing to do with judging. BCA National meets have enough opportunities for it to be whatever the member happens to be looking for, no one expects everyone to like everything or to participate in everything, it's like a buffet, pick and choose what you want and don't spit on what you don't.
    5 points
  7. A few more pictures. After all the pads were finished, I folded the roof down just to test operation. It went down and back up as it should with everything nice and snug as I installed it.
    5 points
  8. I could have added these to the thread on the Skyhawk regarding our travels, but thought it was different enough in nature that it made sense to start a new thread. Of course, what I’m about to type is going to be somewhat rambling. Going in, I was a bit concerned about the size of the meet. It isn’t that they all need to be massive events like Flint in 2003, but the numbers I’d heard about ahead of time had me wondering a bit what it would be like. In the end, it was a fun meet. Intimate would perhaps be a better word than small. It was great to be able to see and meet friends old and new, meeting some forum members for the first time, and getting re-acquainted with folks I’ve now known for years. Of course, there was a hole where @MrEarl was expected to be. We communicate regularly, but I was looking to seeing him again. It’s been too long. I did think of Lamar when I noticed the label on the wine we had with dinner tonight - I will need to get a bottle to him. First of all, the drive was fun. Due to flooding, we got forced off I29 sooner than expected. The detour laid out was long and headed east, which was the wrong direction, so we headed west and went on smaller highways throug Nebraska. That was a good decision. We had some interesting conversations at our stops and found that in the Great Plains in sunny weather in a car without air conditioning, it’s nice to slow down and open the windows without being buffeted by wind. One thing for certain is that the Skyhawk is due for door weatherstripping. Assuming I remember, I’m going to try to plan routes like this in the future...perhaps it is aging and the hair colour I’m sporting now, but the slightly slower pace was nice. We did still do some Interstates, but avoided the toll roads...if states don’t collect enough taxes from us on gasoline and food and souvenirs, then perhaps another model is worth looking at. This was the first time for me to spend in Kansas and Oklahoma. I’m not quite sure what I was expecting, but they weren’t what I expected. I guess I was thinking between farm land and range land. There were many more trees than I anticipated, and considering we had a late spring up here, it was very nice and green. We saw a variety of wildlife, primarily birds. There were quite a few heron sightings, as well as turkey vultures, a cardinal, and a Tom turkey on the way home. I’ve now visited 30 states assuming I counted right. On our way home, we chatted with a farmer in Strong City, KS who said they got either 24 or 25” (I forget) of rain in May. That explains why Kansas looked sodden. If it isn’t the state bird of Kansas, based on our observation, I’d consider the turkey vulture - we saw more there than anywhere else.They are such a massive bird. Again with the expectations, I wasn’t sure what to expect of the section of Route 66 we travelled while at the meet. For one, we decided to ride along with Lawrence from northern Alberta...his 1989 Estate Wagon was much more comfortable than the Skyhawk would have been, although it meant we don’t have any photos of our car on the road...perhaps another time. It was an interesting combination of history with tourist attractions and tourist traps. Seaba Station was something of a highlight for me and I’m not a motorcycle guy any more. I really enjoyed the meet. I could have done with a bit less sun...I got some colour on the two days driving down. One thing that came to mind is that the club needs to look at something between 400 point and Modified judging. There are a number of Buicks out there that aren’t modified enough for Modified judging, but they are different enough that they don’t stand a chance in 400 point judging. Perhaps we could create a “Personalized” class where we could recognize those that have changed wheels, added pinstriping, etc to personalize their cars. I’m not about hardware, but either the Mild category of Modified judging is too wild/radical, or we ought to create something in between so that these Buicks and their owners can get some recognition. As often as I travel to the USA, I never seem to remember that “How ya doin’?” Is a greeting, not a question. Wherever I travel, I do like to sample the local wines and / or beers. This trip did not disappoint. I got to taste an Iowa beer and Oklahoma wine and beer. Aside from supporting the local economy, it’s trying new things. I personally find that I prefer the smaller craft or micro-brewery product to the mass-produced stuff. The Skyhawk performed admirably, never missing a beat, although a
    4 points
  9. A little update on the excavation of my car....getting closer to actually working on it again....
    4 points
  10. Thanks for the great travelogue, Derek. Road trips like that are my favorite part of the hobby. Maybe a little risk but always an adventure. We shouldn't be afraid to drive our cars--that's what they want to do!
    4 points
  11. I don't think I was in the lot 5 minutes and I had people telling their friends, "Wow, you gotta come look at this," and not in a nice way. It's a mostly original driver with dents, bondo, and rusty rocker panels. No, it's not a 400 point car. Probably not a 100 point car, but you know what? I drove it 300 miles last week, it ran perfect, and I didn't cry when it got rained on. lol
    4 points
  12. I dont mind the judging for those that enter that part of the show. What I don't like is the "judging" of those that don't by those that do.
    4 points
  13. Having a car judged is optional. Nobody is forced to have a car judged. People who do so have their reasons, among which, I believe, is a certain amount of " fun " in their view. Likewise, spectators (which includes those who enter a car) will judge each car against what they want to see. If someone enters a car in 400 point judging, and then looks at other cars, it is likely that they will judge what they see against the 400 point scale. That is just human nature. That happens in every event, including Cruise-in's. BCA judging is not one car against the other. It is all cars against a standard. And it is also very generous. I know that in the Cadillac club if your car has an option the owner must prove that it works or it loses points. Think about all those AC empty systems and power antennas that Buick guys can skip by on. Derek makes a good point. The main thing is EVERYBODY wants to feel that their car is worthy of recognition. Modified judging was set up so that it was car vs car judging with only a few winners in each class. I had heard that that was adjusted to something where more awards could be earned, but do not know it to be a fact, nor how it is supposed to work. But ultimately it is the responsibility of the participant to understand the rules of what they are getting into. Not everyone will be a winner, and that does not means their entry lacks value. But it has somehow come to mean that to the guy who walks away empty handed. While another class or category could be beneficial for those cars which have been personalized, it might be better to issue clear guidelines so that those with personalized cars can understand how their choices will be evaluated during BCA judging.
    4 points
  14. Why does a driver car have to "measure" up? Statements like that are exactly what keeps drivers and mild modified away from these shows. I'm in this conundrum with buttercup now. Spending stupid amounts of money to get it to some "measure" so the car or myself are somehow validated? Scr*w it. Better places to put my money and I can enjoy my driver cars with my low brow friends that apparently are not doing anything about measuring up either. I'll stick to local cruise ins where we dont have to measure our ***** to prove a point.
    4 points
  15. I think in South Bend I was still the Brian in charge of driven, but SHHHH!!!...you'll get me in trouble...they will have to audit judging next...
    4 points
  16. Title in hand!
    4 points
  17. The old Buick drank the 256 cent gas like it was still 25 cents: very hilly road; 30 mph head wind; air conditioner running (13 mpg) Overall mpg was 15...highest 16.5 on turnpikes. 1032 miles overall with no issues. Where can we find that fabulous gas? Gotta be better than the cheap stuff. Great meet. There were some cars there, but new and old friends were the main attraction. Daytime weather was great, but there was some heavy duty stuff at night. It took me 2 days to get there with a stop in Wichita Falls, TX where we had a great visit with Ben Bruce and got a ride in "George"...that ain't your granny's straight 8! Made over 500 miles on return trip and cheated...took TX130 for the last 85 miles home (85 mph toll road that is just fine at 65 mph). On the back roads the Texas hill country was unusually nice this years with everything green, usual yellow summer wildflower and Lavender was blooming too. Back roads are fine if you are not in a hurry and will tolerate slowing (35 mph) for towns every 20 miles, most of which have no gas or food (my navigator was grumbling). I stayed off the forums most of the time while in Midwest City until some "arm chair expert" who was not at the meet decided to tell us how to run the meet and club. (don't mess with my club).
    4 points
  18. Photo taken in the Arbuckle Mountains on the way home from the meet. This '46 made it up and back to OKC from Bonham, Texas, plus the whole Rte. 66 driving tour, and never missed a beat.
    4 points
  19. Not trying to be disrespectful, but I sold my father’s collection and the amount of work and time it took, I’d never do that again for anyone, at any price. Prepping/cleaning, photos, writing descriptions, creating listings and ads online, fielding calls and meeting potential buyers, etc. Never again for any amount of money. I hope you find someone to help these gentlemen out, but an auction seems way more likely and if they are not open to that then I’d worry that it would be hard to deal with them in selling the cars at all. I based that on my former real estate experience. Sellers who want someone to do all the prep and are not open to various options tend to be hard to work for.
    3 points
  20. I think the judging comments deserve their own thread, but as long as we're discussing it here I do have a few thoughts. One, I know I am not a popular judge because I do not believe in the perfect car. That does not mean I am not a fair judge, but come on, perfect? Very, very few cars can be perfect and none should be. I don't nit-pick, but yes, I think cars judged on the 400-point system should be correct, if not very close to perfect. I look at marque judging like I look at math: either it's right or it's not. You want awards, then your car needs to measure up. Sorry, but that's how it should be. I will admit that I am not terribly familiar with the modified class and its rules, but it has been my experience with modified cars that there is no "correct" or "incorrect." It's all subjective, and at that point it becomes a beauty contest--or worse, a popularity contest. I know there are guidelines such as a Buick engine is required, but whenever I work with local clubs trying to judge modified cars, it all becomes very abstract. The same happens with unrestored survivors--do you dock for deterioration or do you reward older cars for simply existing? Are older cars more "survivor-y" than late models that haven't survived as long, and do they get a bonus for that? I suspect this is why the AACA chose to simply certify HPOF cars rather than subject them to a judging points process. The logistics are nightmarish. But I digress. My point is that trophies shouldn't be the reason anyone does this, but if it is the reason you do it, then you should respect the standards. That's why I wonder how yet another set of standards could work for a set of cars that aren't modified but aren't correct, either. To me, it seems like edging closer to the "everyone gets a trophy" nonsense that they have in kids' baseball games (and how many of you have complained about that?). What is acceptable to have incorrect on a show car? How much of it needs to be right to qualify? I don't think simply watering down the standards so more people can get awards is an answer if we want the 400-point judging of the BCA to be the gold standard for Buicks. No offense to our hosts, but when my '41 Buick Century is finished, it'll win an AACA first prize without much trouble and that'll be nice. But the judging I really care about is the BCA, and that's because it's rigorous and expert on these specific cars. My Limited isn't a trophy car, so I don't enter it in judging. I don't have less fun because of it and I don't enjoy the meets less and I don't feel left out at the banquets. I'm there because I like the cars and the people. I realize not everyone is wired like that, but I would be very troubled to see some other class added that would permit incorrect and deteriorated cars like mine to be recognized as award-winners. It diminishes the value of the club's knowledge base and the expertise that makes it the only standard that matters if you own a Buick. That should matter to everyone, regardless of whether you have your car judged. It isn't a rich-vs-poor thing or whether you have the ability to create a show car in your home garage; it's making sure that the club we all enjoy so much and which gives us all so many benefits continues to be the very best of its kind for the cars we love. The minute the CCCA started handing out 100-point scores and first-place trophies like Halloween candy in response to complaints from guys who spent a lot of money on restorations, well, that's pretty much when I lost interest. Don't do that to the BCA. Please!
    3 points
  21. The cars are listed in Cars For Sale. Listing is "Collection for Sale". Quite a few. A couple of pictures of each would be a first step for this demanding effort. I think most of us have sold cars to help others. I have done so as a favor. Frankly, although no one has asked my opinion, I feel that the liquidation of these "project" cars, would be a labor requiring a huge dedication of time. Commensurate, generous financial incentive would seem to be a prerequisite. - Carl P.S. Looks like about 15 cars. Since they "need to be sold before Winter ", I think that realistically an auction is justified /necessary. Late Summer, early Fall ?
    3 points
  22. I would say that the card is a tongue-in-cheek announcement of the birth of a baby boy (note the blue ribbon on the card and the name Robert Richard). I have no idea about the car or the gas station. Cheers, Grog
    3 points
  23. The 'pro-judging' people will always say that the vehicles are judged to the factory standard. That is a fine and noble thought, however, in order to achieve that level of 'correctness', it takes a healthy bank account. Not everyone has a sizable amount of cash at their disposal to bring their vehicle to that level of perfection. Think about the young couple with two or three children, a mortgage, and just getting started in the old car hobby. The interest and desire is there, but, the huge volume of cash required for a 400 point restoration will be years, even decades away, before they can even consider restoring a vehicle. Somebody mentioned human nature here - it is that human nature that has a lot of people looking down their noses at the less fortunate, or those with less cash available to them. If that is not divisive or discriminatory then I do not know what is. It's that old 'my checkbook is bigger than yours' attitude that turns a whole lot of folks off. I really do not care what the 'trailer queen set' think. What I think is that it is way cool that Derek jumped in that Skyhawk and drove it hundreds upon hundreds of miles to reconnect with friends, let everyone see the car, and have fun at the same time. Terry Wiegand South Hutchinson, Kansas
    3 points
  24. I'd like to think that they didn't know I was the one that brought the car, or they would have been less obvious (maybe). I just don't understand the need for people to rub their greasy mitts all over my black paint! lol I was given some 1962 stuff at a swap meet a few years ago. It was free to me, so I just wanted to pass it along. I intentionally sought out a '62 that was cared for but noticeably less than perfect, found the owner, and asked if he had any such articles. When he said "No," I simply said, "You do now," and shook his hand. I'm not sure how better to spread good will through the club. I wasn't too worried about bringing Pepper down because I knew there would be nicer examples of '90 Reattas there, but it was kinda fun to have the nicest '56 Riviera in the lot (only because it was the ONLY '56 Riv in the lot)! The one thing the meet convinced me of is that I REALLY need to get Stringfellow to a national!
    3 points
  25. Got some more work done on the roof tonight. Started on it late, finished it late. Got both sides of the bow pads done. Not sure if I went a little overboard but I hand sewed the top covers of the pads closed for a nice neat look and I caught the padding with the needle and thread so the pads shouldn’t shift at all. Was real careful to keep all tight and smooth so there’s no wrinkles to see on the inside. This is the first Cabriolet roof I’ve done so I stop and think each process out. Of course I have a good staple puller and I pulled my fair share of them out tonight. I realized I didn’t have the bow pad at the right height on the mid bow until I started on the other side. Luckily I had only tacked it in place and hadn’t started the padding step. I figured out that the pad edge goes up to a step in the bow and had it about an inch away from that step on the first side I did. Well, it’s a learning process and anyone who says they never had to pull Staples is full of it!
    3 points
  26. 1958 Caballero wagon--totally restored and over the top!
    3 points
  27. Puns are the lowest form of humor: A French snail bought a new Renault and insisted the dealer paint a big red S on the side. When asked why, the snail said, "I've moved slow all my life. Now when I drive by, people will say, 'Sacré bleu! Look at that S-car-go!”
    3 points
  28. I wasn't offended by your OP but turnabout is fair play. An guy is cruising his Ferrari about 20 over the limit when he sees red lights in the mirror. He stomps it and is quickly up to 150. Realizing his stupidity, he pulls over and the cop pulls up behind. Cop: “What were you thinking, taking off like that?” Guy: “Well, a highway patrol officer ran off with my wife.” Cop: “What does that have to do with anything?” Guy: “I was afraid you were bringing her back.” And the obligatory blonde joke: A blonde calls her husband in a panic, "Honey, I locked the keys in the car!" Hubby: "Don't worry, I'll unlock it with my key when I get home." Blonde: "But it's starting to rain and I left the top down!"
    3 points
  29. For the record, I’m an independent women, but I’m not a “feminist”. I owned a kitchen design biz in my 20’s, selling mainly to contractors who would climb off their roofs when I’d show up at the job site, in my short skirts and heels. Then these contractors would let me give them a bid, as they were amazed that I could measure the kitchen with a tape measure, subtract for sheetrock and design a plan. This was in the 80’s and I’ve had countless advantages in my life because, in my younger days, I was “cute”. I’m no hypocrite. Abuse in any form, by a man or women is not ok. Beyond abuse, everyone is offended by everything now. It’s a reflection of the “love and logic”, be your kid’s friend, participation trophies for everyone, generation. People need to have a bit of a thick skin or we are all going to parish from offending each other. 🤦‍♀️
    3 points
  30. Congrats to Ray for 35 years of excellence!
    3 points
  31. Thank you kgreen. I called them and the guy who answered the phone actually knew what I was talking about and he is sending it to me. So, I've got my fingers crossed.
    3 points
  32. Thank you Pete! Agree, FWIW. Ben
    2 points
  33. Here's a link to the, somewhat correct, hubcaps you need. They are missing the center medallion, but those can be found. $25 a pop. Worth a look! https://buyusedhubcaps.com/home/shop/13-inch-wheel-hubcaps/hubcaps-for-13-inch-buick-wheels/13-inch-buick-hubcaps-1975-thru-1981/hubcap-c13buic1975_5/
    2 points
  34. Matt H., you are absolutely spot on, but, please do not forget the fact that the human animal is being dealt with here. Human beings can be the nastiest and cruelest creatures alive and that brings me to my next comment - we like our dog way better than a lot of people that we have had the misfortune to have to be associated with. Terry Wiegand South Hutchinson, Kansas
    2 points
  35. 2 points
  36. Sad to hear my friend. I've never really been a restore for show kind of guy myself but certainly appreciate the efforts and dollars spent by those who do restore to factory original. My most appreciation however goes to the original and unmolested "true survivors" of which I've had a few, your Buttercup being my most appreciated. Granted, survivors are rare and are in a class of their own, sort of the "only original once class" or the formal "Archival Class". As planned, I have spent every penny you gave me for Buttercup plus some in turning SouthernBelle into a the purpose built Buick Estate Tow Wagon while still TRYING to retain as much originality to her as possible. I still hope to enter her in an archival judged event someday. But getting back to your comment, I guess my question is "What are you spending on BC to get her to the condition of being able to enter into Archival class judging that you wouldn't be spending on her anyway just to get her to a driver?" A little more attention to detail maybe but does that cost that much. Or perhaps for correct style WW tires instead of just plain driver radials. I think the only validation you're doing with BC is to BC herself. Does she, a 13,000 mile 1954 Buick Roadmaster not deserve the few extra dollars and effort to at least let her stand proud for just one judged car show before she gets her wheels driven off her? Tell you what I'll do, any "stupid money" you spend on her that qualifies as money spent to get her to Archival show condition that wouldn't have been spent to get her to a good dependable driver, send me the bill. I'll just consider it as a guilt payment for not having given her her due appreciation all these years. Sound fair? Sounds more than fair to me as I don't think I'll be wearing my billfold out to honor it. Or... she's yours now do with her what you want, we'll still be friends.
    2 points
  37. There was a time that cars were not allowed to leave the showfield until a certain time and that was stated in multiple locations and often announced. That fault is with the field committee for not enforcing it if it is still stated.
    2 points
  38. I thank you Derek for your comments. It was so good to connect with you and Ben at his 1950 in the parking lot just gabbing . "One thing that came to mind is that the club needs to look at something between 400 point and Modified judging. There are a number of Buicks out there that aren’t modified enough for Modified judging, but they are different enough that they don’t stand a chance in 400 point judging. Perhaps we could create a “Personalized” class where we could recognize those that have changed wheels, added pinstriping, etc to personalize their cars. I’m not about hardware, but either the Mild category of Modified judging is too wild/radical, or we ought to create something in between so that these Buicks and their owners can get some recognition." I totally understand the other's comments also. As a judge and Team Captain in the A-B and sometimes C class we have quite a span of technology to deal with in evaluations. We did all the A-B and C. The Barrett's beautiful 1927 Sport Roadster at the event center on display was a joy to behold and I repeatedly told friends that I was glad that we did not have to judge it on the 400 point basis. I assumed it was for Display Only. They restored it to be a period modified car. The techniques and skill employed were admirable. Imagine my dissatisfaction when after completing our duties on the field and hurrying to get our results in for tabulation, I was told by the Meet Chief Judge that our team had to now judge that car! She told us that the Modified team would not do it. We agonized over how to moderate things on the 400 point scale to give proper credit on their outstanding achievement.
    2 points
  39. How about one of your own
    2 points
  40. It seems my iPad keyboard doesn’t want to work any more. The Skyhawk performed well, although was a bit hard starting when warm. Most tanks were between 21 and 26 mpg using the small US gallons. Multiply by 1.2 to get miles per Imperial gallon. The only tank under 20 was including the running around in the meet area. Some of the time we had a tailwind. Were things perfect? Of course not...humans were involved. Was it a fun meet? Yes indeed. Thanks for the experience and the memories.
    2 points
  41. I think this is a great story. In fact I use to carried my '72 Honda CB450 in my '69 Chevy C10 often. Once when the C10 had an engine swap done by a Motor Builder, Shore Line Motors in Easton, I had given a 327 v8 to rebuild and replaced the original six that was in the C10. The 327 through a rod 10 miles from the shop. I made it home on the Honda 450 while the shop came and took the C10 back to their shop. They told me to come back in two weeks and the truck would be back in service. I road the CB450 (THIS WAS IN THE WINTER) the 70 miles back from home to the Shop to get the Truck back. The best thing was that when I got there and looked at the Truck they had replaced the 327 with a rebuilt solid lifter highly modified 350 V8 that is still in my C10 truck going on 20+ years now running perfectly. The shop did not charge me for the 350V8. So.......Chevy Trucks and Honda Bikes are born to be together. I still have the '69 C10 but sold the Bike years ago.
    2 points
  42. It may have been a little quiet here because I bought something else but she is still my big love and I am currently trying to finish that old project: radio. Recap: a cheap gutted radio was a donor for a new build, the inner workings made out of modern stuff (Bluetooth receiver, DSP, class D amp, stereo speaker, custom speaker box, LED backlight). I made some boxes to put in the pcb’s and test fitted the front with LED installed. The led strip I bought was a small test piece but I liked it enough to install it for this beta version. It’s 2700K, 12V but I added a 7809 transistor in the front because at 12v it was much too bright and at 9V it was bright enough. Pictures say more than … fitting, drilling, wiring (here you see the BT receiver and the DSP) Overall view of the mess that is a DIY radio in beta the front face put together. Left knobs will function (volume = full range amp and tone = sub), right knob is nothing for now, 5 buttons B U I C K aren’t functional as well, maybe later and maybe with touch in stead of press. LED test. Works well enough for me!
    2 points
  43. My first motorcycle was a Honda. 1972 XL250 Enduro. Made me the world renown motorcycle competition rider I am today 😊, or at least in my own mind I am!
    2 points
  44. This is by FAR the most interesting & appealing vehicle ever to wear a Honda (painted) nameplate on it.
    2 points
  45. OK I got piston 5 and 6 out so far. Here is 6 before and after: . .
    2 points
  46. Something about this old movie... I don't know what it is. But this is about the most fascinating thing I have ever seen on the internet!
    2 points
  47. First brake job since about 1993. Had to move cars around to get the elbow room right. Kind of like Art Carney playing pool with Jackie Gleason, can't rush in. New wheel cylinders, hoses, and hardware arrived. http://www.rochesterclutch.com/ will reline the shoes and fit them to the drums. I had an NOS master cylinder sleeved back in '93 when I went through the chassis on the car and the fluid has been flushed almost every two years. Should be pretty straight forward. Forgot the qualify, the Riviera is getting brakes, '60 has it all done. A little paint, tires, and some freshening up should do me for another 20 years with no big issues. Bernie
    2 points
  48. Some buicks from the early days of NASCAR
    2 points
  49. Use 2 of the cylinder head bolt holes to attach a plate that has a drilled and tapped hole over the piston. Put a block of wood over the piston with some plate steel over that and use a bolt to push on the piston.
    2 points
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