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#523275 - 07/13/08 04:03 PM Mystery motor
Barry D Offline
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Registered: 07/10/08
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Loc: Washington
Saw this on ebay today,says Studebaker ? Anyone know what it is. ebay #110270452356.

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#523282 - 07/13/08 04:46 PM Re: Mystery motor [Re: Barry D]
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Edited by Peter Gariepy (07/13/08 04:46 PM)
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#523319 - 07/13/08 09:27 PM Re: Mystery motor [Re: Peter Gariepy]
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Registered: 04/27/06
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It is obviously either early 1920's, or if before, it is "prior art" to Sir Harry Rickardo's "turbulence" L-head combustion chamber patent. Art Rosen of Catepillar and Harry Horning of Wisconsin were friends of Rickardo and licenced users of his patent; so it is amognst their work that I would look for identification.
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#523361 - 07/14/08 01:28 AM Re: Mystery motor [Re: Ivan_Saxton]
Merv Online
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Registered: 03/31/08
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Possibly Studebaker Light 6.

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#523823 - 07/15/08 09:47 PM Re: Mystery motor [Re: Merv]
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Registered: 10/07/05
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Loc: South Carolina
Ah ha, that's the same motor I saw at an estate auction back in April. The guy had a ton of Studebaker stuff, and the auctioneer was so slow I could not stand anymore and left before it was sold. Here's what it looked like them and a link to the rest of the photos

http://public.fotki.com/buzsmc/car-show-photos/auction-photos/

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#524052 - 07/16/08 05:44 PM Re: Mystery motor [Re: Bluesmobile]
Studemax Offline
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Registered: 09/05/07
Posts: 89
Dictator 8, maybe?
But why does the head look like aluminum?

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#524073 - 07/16/08 06:44 PM Re: Mystery motor [Re: Studemax]
Dave Fields Offline
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It is aluminum, and the interesting thing about the engine is that only part of the head is cooled by water, the lower sections on the left of the photo are solid aluminum.
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#524122 - 07/16/08 09:53 PM Re: Mystery motor [Re: Dave Fields]
montrose Offline
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Registered: 01/23/03
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Loc: New England
It is a Studebaker Light 6 motor, 1920-1922 (and possibly early 1923). Yes, they did use an aluminum head. In 1923 they made a number of design changes including a more conventional iron head.

Joel

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#524286 - 07/17/08 05:45 PM Re: Mystery motor [Re: montrose]
HarryJ Offline
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Registered: 07/30/04
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Does anyone know where this engine is?

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#524308 - 07/17/08 07:38 PM Re: Mystery motor [Re: HarryJ]
Mark Huston Offline
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The Ebay auction item location states: Concord, North Carolina
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#524323 - 07/17/08 09:20 PM Re: Mystery motor [Re: Mark Huston]
HarryJ Offline
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Registered: 07/30/04
Posts: 172
Thanx Mark!

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#524361 - 07/18/08 03:22 AM Re: Mystery motor [Re: Ivan_Saxton]
Manuel Offline
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Registered: 02/16/02
Posts: 178
Loc: ACT Australia
I would love to find out a bit more on Rosen and Horning.
Did a search but wasn't very successful. Is there some where I can look.
Ta,
Manuel in Oz

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#535862 - 09/05/08 10:41 PM Re: Mystery motor [Re: HarryJ]
HarryJ Offline
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Registered: 07/30/04
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Well folks........I bought the motor and drove to North Carolina to retrieve it. Here are some pictures of my treasure. I primarily purchased this motor to obtain a head and a distributor........and it was nearby. The '21 light six I have needs a new distributor; or might I say correct distributor ( Remy 626-A vs 626-K ). Long story ....the car is a very well preserved original; albeit, has an over heating problem which I traced to an incorrect distributor ( the one on the car runs it in a retarded fashion).......thus..overheat.


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#536211 - 09/07/08 10:57 PM Re: Mystery motor [Re: HarryJ]
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I have now carefully torn the engine partially down. From what I am observing the motor has not run in some time. There were six antique spark plugs mounted in the head when I started dismantling the engine (note the head was separate from the engine when I bought it). As you will note from the preceeding pictures the engine was covered in corrosion when I acquired it. I am going to try to preserve the parts I don't need and stabilize the engine from any further deterioration in the future. Over the last two or three weeks I have been dismantling and cleaning what I got. The engine will not turn over no matter how much PB Blaster or WD-40 I shoot on it.As of this posting the engine still will not turn over and it looks as though several of the pistons are rusted in their cylinders; not counting valves rusted to their guides. Today, I started to dismantle the lower end. By the way, in 1921 on the "Light Six" anyway, the pistons have to be fitted from the bottom. Note: the big end of the rod is larger than the cylinder bore. I took the head to my engine machinist for his special attention. Once I free up, and clean the engine I intend to pass it on to someone else. It looks to have a good block and crank.


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Edited by HarryJ (09/07/08 11:04 PM)

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#537722 - 09/14/08 09:34 PM Re: Mystery motor [Re: HarryJ]
HarryJ Offline
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I have stripped the engine of several parts which I need and some I would liked keep as spare parts. I am willing to give the remainder of what I have to some needy sole out there. What I am giving away here consists of the following: basically a 1922 model "EJ" Studebaker light six block/crank/rod, short block. As far as I can tell the basic block is rebuildable.It was a mess when I acquired it, I have cleaned it up as best as possible while in my care and have tried to preserve the parts for those who may need them in the future. If anyone out there is in need of what I consider a good rebuildable block let me know. Here are some pics.............


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#537729 - 09/14/08 09:48 PM Re: Mystery motor [Re: HarryJ]
Layden B Offline
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Registered: 08/08/04
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Interesting cylinder head design. How about a picture of the piston side of the head?
Thanks

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#537798 - 09/15/08 09:32 AM Re: Mystery motor [Re: Layden B]
HarryJ Offline
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Registered: 07/30/04
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Layden, the head is presently at the machinist having some work done on it.


Edited by HarryJ (09/15/08 09:34 AM)

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