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#67 - 06/16/00 07:58 AM Frame off Restoration
Bill Stoneberg Offline
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Registered: 03/11/00
Posts: 2411
Loc: Austin, Texas
Hi,
Now that I have a car that is worthy of spending time, effort and money on a frame off restoration I was wondering where I start.

Are there any good resources (books, web sites, magazines) that you all can recomend ?

Are there any things I need to know up front before starting this long and laborious job ?
Thanks
Bill

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1950 Buick Super Estate Wagon
1947 4 Door Sedan
1964 Riviera

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#68 - 06/16/00 09:52 AM Re: Frame off Restoration
ronbarn Offline
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Registered: 11/12/99
Posts: 1867
Loc: Union Grove, AL, USA
There are a lot of books available which tell you how to restore a car - frame up or otherwise. Unfortunately, by their nature they must be general and not vehicle specific. Here are a few suggestions:

First, identify the car for us so that if there are specific things to look out for, we may be able to help.

Second, before you do anything, organize your restoration data collection system. Every step you take, no matter how obvious, should be recorded in a notebook of some sort and photographed. Do this thoroughly through disassembly, restoration steps, and assembly. Some use video cameras and talk themselves during the work to identify specific tools used, details of parts, and their temporary location (get lots of baggies and labels) while waiting to be reworked. I like my digital camera - I take a lot of pictures and keep them on the computer for later reference - beats the heck out of trying to sort through stacks of photos.

Third, make copies of whatever manuals you have (owners, workshop, parts, etc.) put the pages in full sheet plastic protectors and a loose leaf 3-ring binder. This will protect the pages from dirt and grease and you can mark them with notes that will help later work.

Fourth, after these organization steps are complete, get ready for the fun part.

Let us know what car you are working on so we can participate in your restoration.

[This message has been edited by ronbarn (edited 06-16-2000).]

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#69 - 06/16/00 10:01 AM Re: Frame off Restoration
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I can't agree with ronbarn more, record EVERYTHING no matter how much you think "I'll remember this". I am trying to reassemble a car that I alowed my son to take apart. He recorded a lot but not all, and separated many componants with no sense.....I am going out of my mind! It was his first time, so I am not mad at him, he did better than most. But if you think "I'll be putting this together next week, I'll remember", think again. First off, you probably won't remember, secondly "next week" most likly will turn into "next year".
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#70 - 06/16/00 10:16 AM Re: Frame off Restoration
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If an assembly manual is available for your vehicle, by all means purchase one - it will save a lot of headaches during the reassembly process. Also takes LOTS of pictures, bag and identify every part you remove and plan on spending at least two times what you think it will cost to do the restoration. Good luck and enjoy - a frame off restoration can't be beat as far as quality - al ot of hard work but worth it in the end.


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#71 - 06/16/00 12:47 PM Re: Frame off Restoration
John N. Packard Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 590
Loc: Fallston, MD USA
Even though I don't do a good job of it, organizing the parts and documenting everything as you disassemble the car is of utmost importance. I am currently doing a '40 Packard Club Coupe. After removing the body bolts I jacked the body up off the chassis one corner at a time and supported it on concrete block columns with 2 x 6's spanning the underbody. I went one block at a time until I could roll the chassis out from under the body. After stripping the chassis of wheels, engine and drive train I mounted it on a Roto-Body rotisserie. This made sand blasting and painting the frame a breeze. Re-assembling the restored parts was a great experience, no dirt or grease to mess up everything. I'd love to work on an assembly line! After completing the restoration of the chassis, I mounted the body on the rotiesserie and started on it. If you have sheet metal work to do and depending upon the body style, you may need to weld in bracing and should mount the body on stands to preserve the proper dimensions while doing the sheet metal work. That's the point I'm currently at, so I can't offer much more wisdom at this point. Also, restrict yourself to restoring one vehicle at a time. I have a couple in process and it's a nightmare trying to remember what goes where. That's why documentation and organization of the parts is so important. You can eventually figure things out, but it's a long process. If you know someone who has an identical model, that's a good reference source on how to put things back together. Enjoy!

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#72 - 06/16/00 05:23 PM Re: Frame off Restoration
DugsSin Offline
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Registered: 01/29/00
Posts: 482
Loc: Hamilton,NJ,USA
Try to get the other half interested in the hobby of be in charge of the check-book cause its going to cost a whole lotta money and its worth every cent. Good Luck and keep us posted.

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#73 - 06/16/00 07:17 PM Re: Frame off Restoration
Bill Stoneberg Offline
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Registered: 03/11/00
Posts: 2411
Loc: Austin, Texas
So you know,
It is a 1950 Buick Estate Wagon. It has a Straight 8 and a Dynaflow.
The Buick Estate Wagons are part metal and Part wood.
I have done a bunch of work on old Buicks in my life but this will be the first frame off restoration and the first Estate Wagon for me. I am planning on a 3 -6 year project. Money, I dont want to know yet.
I will keep track of all through Pictures, books, labeling and organization. Nothing worse than pulling up a bunch of bolts and wondering what they are for.
The fun sounds like it has just begun.
Bill
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1950 Buick Super Estate Wagon
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#74 - 06/16/00 09:05 PM Re: Frame off Restoration
rcirilli Offline
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Registered: 02/13/00
Posts: 465
Loc: Gibsonia, PA, US
I agree totally with what has been written already. After owning my Pontiac 22 years I still had a memory failure with how far the side splash plan stuck out in the back, it cause me a lot of grief. I planned on a 9 month process and it took 21 months. I forgot a lot of things I thought were just logical when taking it apart. keep in mind also if you have some make wood parts for you it will probably take some finishing work on your part before you put it together.
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#75 - 06/16/00 09:22 PM Re: Frame off Restoration
Rick Hoover Offline
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Registered: 11/12/99
Posts: 1495
Loc: Middletown, PA. USA
Bill,
One of my favorite frame offs I've done was a '52 Roadmaster Estate Wagon. For some reason, this was a fun job to do. You'll probably want to pick up a Ionia Body Manual. It will be helpful, and you're right about the money. You don't want to know yet!
Have fun, enjoy the car and take the above advise from the other fellows.
Rick
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#76 - 06/28/00 07:29 PM Re: Frame off Restoration
Jan Arnett Offline
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Registered: 02/26/00
Posts: 541
Loc: Ft. Thomas, ky, usa
Let me add a few things to the documentation process. Get a good digital video camera which can also take pictures and a good tripod. Set the camera up before you disassemble it, take some snapshots, don't move it and start video taping the disasable process. If you decide you don't want it you can tape over it later but you can't capture what you don't film. Set up a stand where you can take pictures of the manuals and then lay the parts next to the manual and take a picture. Remeber early manuals did not match what was built. Get a paint pencil and mark on each part where it goes. Much better then a label and you are going to refinish it anywhere. Set up an index system so you know where you stored the part unless it is next to the car. Save any material scraps to match to new material. NEVER THROW ANYTHING AWAY. YOU WILL NEED IT LATER.
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#77 - 06/28/00 07:42 PM Re: Frame off Restoration
D Binger Offline
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Registered: 11/21/99
Posts: 1042
Loc: Cheyenne, WY, USA
Jan,

I haven't thrown anything away and now I have a garage full of can't throw this away things.
After you get finished with your car- - you can get rid of some things like old wireing broken parts and that coffee can full of rusted nuts, bolts and screws.

Dan

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#78 - 06/28/00 08:15 PM Re: Frame off Restoration
Jan Arnett Offline
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Registered: 02/26/00
Posts: 541
Loc: Ft. Thomas, ky, usa
Dan:
Maybe we need to trade garages. I never throw away a nut or bolt. In early cars the nuts and bolts are unique and some are rigth hand thread with others left hand. You can't buy them at your local hardware store. One of the best investment a restorer can make is a good tap and die set. Another suggestions to a restorer is to buy several different colored paint pens and use one color for the left and another for the right and a third for the running gear. I also use a lot of styrofoam blocks to stick bolts in and keep track of them instead of putting them all in jars. You really have to convince the wife that there is a reason for not throwing things out.
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#79 - 06/28/00 10:47 PM Re: Frame off Restoration
Bill Stoneberg Offline
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Registered: 03/11/00
Posts: 2411
Loc: Austin, Texas
I already have a garage full of Buick Parts, Triumph stuff and a motorcycle frame or two. I too am a packrat. Hopefully this tendency will help me in restoring this car.
I had to rent a garage from a friend and before I could even get in it I have to seel a bunch of old Willy and Jeep parts. What ever convinced this guy that he needed 9 4 cyl. flathead blocks ?
I have mad note of all the GREAT ideas that you all have given me. I have some pictures of the car that I am getting scanned and once the car makes it down from Billings, I will update you all on the progress.
Rick, where did you get that body book ??
Bill
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1950 Buick Super Estate Wagon
1947 4 Door Sedan
1964 Riviera

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