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#508899 - 05/11/08 04:09 PM Re: Running on water and gas (again) [Re: dnt]
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The blasting iniatiates the chemical reaction and the combining of the compounds in the dynamite with oxygen provide the boom. Just as in the combining of H with O.

Now after your explotion with the dynamite, it would take more energy than was exerted by the initioal reation to seperate those compounds back into the compounds found in dynamite. So in short, both produce energy but to reverse either one would take more energy than they make when burning/exploding.
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#508915 - 05/11/08 05:39 PM Re: Running on water and gas (again) [Re: dnt]
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 Originally Posted By: D-a-n-i-e-l
The blasting iniatiates the chemical reaction and the combining of the compounds in the dynamite with oxygen provide the boom. Just as in the combining of H with O.

Now after your explotion with the dynamite, it would take more energy than was exerted by the initioal reation to seperate those compounds back into the compounds found in dynamite. So in short, both produce energy but to reverse either one would take more energy than they make when burning/exploding.


Take for example a stick of dynamite. It is quite passive in its stick-state, carry in your pocket, ostensibly harmless until activated by a blasting cap. The blasting cap represents a very small amount of energy that releases substantially more energy. So why does it have to be differant with making HHO, a small amount of electrical energy to transform a part of H20 into the very powerful HHO gas?

So, as with the dynamite, which does not create or destroy energy, the blasting cap merely releases the energy, can't we release the HHO energy utilizing a much smaller amount of energy?
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One last time. It takes the same ammount of energy to process H20 into H2 and O2(These molecules are never in a single state, they are always bonded with something, even themselves.) Have you ever had a teacher put H2 and O2 gases into a big water bottle? Nothing happens. But, when a match is dropped into the bottle, a reaction occurs. The heat is nesessary to force the two molecules together in a chemical reation, forming H2O. Basically, using H2 as a fuel source is not a correct statement. H2 is merely transporting energy from one point to another. It is( currently) very unefficient to burn fossile fuels only to release the H2 molecules. Even electrolysis is worse. Did you know that over 17,000 scientists beleive that global warming is just a natural cycle of earth, and humans have nothing to do with it? Did you know that less than 3,000 of the other scientists interviewed believed that global warming was caused direclty by humans? A volcanic eruption released many times more CO2 gas than the whole history of human existance?
I know you guys are trying to save money, but you need to pay better attention to the wording, and the actualities of how things work. I am not saying you are stupid, but because you are not a scientist(niehter am I) you need to do a little more research any ideas like this that you have. I don't mean to sound crass about it, please do not be offended.
Thank you for bringing up another scam for all of us to avoid, though.
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#509070 - 05/12/08 09:41 AM Re: Running on water and gas (again) [Re: Ronnie]
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 Originally Posted By: Ronnie
This whole discussion about is carport engineering at it's finest!


You say that like it's a bad thing.

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#509112 - 05/12/08 12:25 PM Re: Running on water and gas (again) [Re: dnt]
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 Originally Posted By: dnt
 Originally Posted By: Ronnie
This whole discussion about is carport engineering at it's finest!


You say that like it's a bad thing.


Is it?
lol
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#509174 - 05/12/08 04:10 PM Re: Running on water and gas (again) [Re: TommyH]
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It's awesome! I love the dialogue. Keep hope alive! Keep hope alive!
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#509190 - 05/12/08 05:33 PM Re: Running on water and gas (again) [Re: ekvh]
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If you take a caustic water solution and toss some aluminum into it Brown's gas is spontaneously formed and the aluminum consumed.

The disadvantage for automotive use is that you can't shut it off or slow the gas down.

As for the electrolysis of water there is some evidence that varying the frequency of the current can dramatically increase gas production.
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#509386 - 05/13/08 01:12 PM Re: Running on water and gas (again) [Re: EDBSO]
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Try reading this one for a dose of lala land:
http://www.thejoecell.com/ Thinking outside the box is okay, I wonder what it's like to live outside the box.

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#509533 - 05/13/08 09:55 PM Re: Running on water and gas (again) [Re: ekvh]
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Time to get the reading glasses out and save some money!



Edited by EDBSO (05/13/08 11:03 PM)
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#509702 - 05/14/08 02:02 PM Re: Running on water and gas (again) [Re: EDBSO]
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Try googling Sonoluminesence to cook your brains a bit more. There are power sources available to us if we figure out how to harness them.
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