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#508450 - 05/09/08 09:11 AM
1936 Buick Model 4499
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Allan_Faust
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Registered: 07/24/05
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Hello,
I'm trying to find information for a friend of mine. He has in his possession a 1936 Buick 8 Model 4499. It has no drivetrain. He recently purchased a body manual, and would like to get as much info as possible on the car itself. He only speaks french, which is why I'm writing. We are up in Canada (so any model differences between his and the US models would be appreciated) and he's also looking for information on possible parts sources etc (body parts if anyone makes them, etc) I've added a link to a pic of the car, and if you have any questions, I'll make sure you get answers by checking out the car, pics, whatever necessary. Thanx in advance,
Allan Faust
Photobucket Buick Pic
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#508517 - 05/09/08 02:15 PM
Re: 1936 Buick Model 4499
[Re: Allan_Faust]
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DaveCorbin
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Registered: 02/19/06
Posts: 604
Loc: Texas
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Dear Allan:
On the car frame next to the battery tray you'll find a tag with an 8 digit number. If you post that and any other info on that body plate, I can probably help you. I would especially need any info on a plate tht says "GM of Canada".
As far as parts, there's a man named Bob James in Canada that can help you.
Regards, Dave Corbin
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#508524 - 05/09/08 03:11 PM
Re: 1936 Buick Model 4499
[Re: DaveCorbin]
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Allan_Faust
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Registered: 07/24/05
Posts: 11
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Thanx, I'll get back to you on the numbers (probably by tomorrow) and as for Mr James, would you have more info for me (addy, web addy, tel #, etc). You can pm me if posting this type of information publicly is not wanted.
Allan
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#508543 - 05/09/08 05:01 PM
Re: 1936 Buick Model 4499
[Re: Allan_Faust]
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Thriller
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Registered: 09/06/03
Posts: 2204
Loc: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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Bonjour Allan,
There is at least one other forum member from Quebec (P. Racicot if I remember the spelling).
I can't really help much, other than to say by 1936, there was very little difference between McLaughlin Buicks and American Buicks. Typically, there would be slightly different badging for the McLaughlin (Canadian) Buick and possibly items like hub caps. As for drivetrains and mechanical parts, they should be identical.
Another possibility is to get in touch with or join the McLaughlin Buick Club of Canada.
Bonne chance with the car.
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#508572 - 05/09/08 07:34 PM
Re: 1936 Buick Model 4499
[Re: Thriller]
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Allan_Faust
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Registered: 07/24/05
Posts: 11
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Ok, here are the numbers on the tag;
Buick 1936
Ser: L644991298 (the first letter could be an L, an I or a 1)
Engine: 2943384
Body: 765
Trim: 169
Paint: 610
Thanx for those who have responded to date, and thanx in advance for info pertaining to the tag.... it really is appreciated.
Allan
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#508587 - 05/09/08 08:08 PM
Re: 1936 Buick Model 4499
[Re: Allan_Faust]
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Mark Shaw
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Registered: 06/08/05
Posts: 927
Loc: Vancouver, WA
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I just love seeing Dave Corbin doing his thing for all of us Buick nuts....
Way to go Dave... What would we do without you?
THANKS!
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HCCA Member (Skagit & Portland)
1913 Model 31 Touring
1915 Model C-25 "Speedster"
1924 Model 45 "Roadster Truck"
1929 Model 29-27 Sedan (Now my son's car)
1931 Model 57 Sedan
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#508603 - 05/09/08 09:44 PM
Re: 1936 Buick Model 4499
[Re: Mark Shaw]
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Thriller
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Registered: 09/06/03
Posts: 2204
Loc: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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I'm looking forward to Dave's information as well...there are some differences with the body tags and serials between Canadian and American cars...I'd forgotten that in my earlier post. Between the Standard Catalog of Buick and the BCA Judging Manual, I haven't had any success with this information.
Go Dave!
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#508631 - 05/10/08 12:27 AM
Re: 1936 Buick Model 4499
[Re: Allan_Faust]
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Glassesguy
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Registered: 03/05/05
Posts: 172
Loc: Ohio
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Allan:
Are you sure that body tag doesn't read 364419......? Your picture shows a 36 Special 4 door trunkback sedan Fisher style 4419 which is how Mclaughlin identified their model #'s in their sales literature. The first 4 stands for Buick; the second 4 stands for series 40; the 19 stands for a 4 door trunkback sedan. Buick called it a Model 41.
Body parts should interchange with US models. Some chassis components related to brake drums, suspension and wheels can differ according to some of my literature for 37 to 40 models. What does Mr. Corbin have to say?
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1939 Special 4 door
1965 LeSabre Conv
1997 Riviera
2007 Pacifica
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#508637 - 05/10/08 12:36 AM
Re: 1936 Buick Model 4499
[Re: Glassesguy]
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Allan_Faust
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Registered: 07/24/05
Posts: 11
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I'll check on the tag (have to see it myself, this was directly from my buddy).... once I see it, I'll be able to confirm.
Allan
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#508706 - 05/10/08 12:06 PM
Re: 1936 Buick Model 4499
[Re: Allan_Faust]
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DaveCorbin
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Registered: 02/19/06
Posts: 604
Loc: Texas
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Dear Allan:
I'm slightly lost here. You say the car has no drivetrain, but you give me an engine number, which seems unlikely because the engine number is stamped on the engine which would be missing.
If it is an engine number, it's for a 1935 engine. If it's a frame number, the car was built in April 1936. It could easily be body #765, as Buick built 77007 Model 41's plus 1796 for export, and McLaughlin built 4722 Buicks for 1936. I don't have McLaughlin paint and trim data, so I'm not any help there.
Regards, Dave Corbin
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#508710 - 05/10/08 12:24 PM
Re: 1936 Buick Model 4499
[Re: DaveCorbin]
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Allan_Faust
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Registered: 07/24/05
Posts: 11
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Dave,
I took a picture of it this morning before going to work, and I'll have the picture of the plaque up tonight. The numbers I gave you are all written on the plaque as is the engine number, and I'll post it tonight since my camera is still at work and I'm on my lunch break.
Allan
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#508747 - 05/10/08 05:06 PM
Re: 1936 Buick Model 4499
[Re: Allan_Faust]
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Allan_Faust
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Registered: 07/24/05
Posts: 11
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Here is the tag in its entirety...
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#508822 - 05/11/08 09:08 AM
Re: 1936 Buick Model 4499
[Re: Allan_Faust]
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DaveCorbin
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Registered: 02/19/06
Posts: 604
Loc: Texas
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Dear Allan:
They say a picture is worth a thousand words. The photo leaves no doubt that it is a GM of Canada car and that Canadian trim and paint data would apply, not Buick. The engine number given is for a 1935 engine. I suspect, but can't prove, is that this is one of the differences between Buick and McLaughlin. Why? I don't know. The engine may have been shipped in and not used in 1935, and McLaughlin used them up in 1936.
Regards, Dave Corbin
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#508824 - 05/11/08 09:36 AM
Re: 1936 Buick Model 4499
[Re: DaveCorbin]
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Allan_Faust
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Registered: 07/24/05
Posts: 11
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Dave, thanx for the info, would you know where I could find the data for the paint, etc... ie the code data (I have yet to find a site that has this info). As for the differences between canadian and american cars, I understand completely why...(I myself have a 1950 canadian dodge and have researched this info). The problem was the border. It isn't like the swiss cheese of today, getting stuff across even legally was difficult, so companies like GM, Chrysler and Ford made deals with chevy, buick, mclaughlin, dodge, plymouth, mercury, etc to "join forces" so to speak, which is why my Canadian Dodge has dodge front end trim, a chrysler/desoto 25" engine (rather than the 23.25" dodge/plymouth engine in the US), a plymouth body, with some plymouth trim, etc.... so gm and ford did the same (which is why a monarch was a mercury body with ford trim etc) and the same happened with gm bodies etc as well.
The market was just not big enough to warrant the full lines, and everyone wanted a piece of the market, which created the export hybrids... that were actually sent worldwide afterwards for the same reasons.... shich is how I found my oil pump in turkey, my shop manual in israel, etc.
Allan
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#508913 - 05/11/08 05:25 PM
Re: 1936 Buick Model 4499
[Re: Allan_Faust]
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DaveCorbin
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Registered: 02/19/06
Posts: 604
Loc: Texas
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Dear Allan:
First, you need to contact Bill Laughlin of the McLaughlin Buick Club there in Canada. He would be a good source of information and is a good friend of Bob James, who I menioned previously concerning parts.
What you probably need is a "Master Parts Book" from about 1940. It would have the paint and trim data your friend needs. Remember that a USA book won't work, you need a GM of Canada one.
Absent one of those, I woud suggest taking off one of the window surrounds, the piece that goes around any of the windows. Under it, you should find both paint and upholstery that isn't faded or weathered that you can match.
For your informtion, here is the annual production of Buicks by GM of Canada. 1928 - 10,986, 1929 - 7131, 1930 - 4603, 1931 - 3582, 1932 - 2026, 1933 - 2382, 1934 - 4091, 1935 - 3272, 1936 - 4722.
It's also important to remember that Walkerville started producing Buick engines as early as 1923 and that Buick switched to a totally new engine design for 1936 here in the USA. I think this is the reason that your friend's 1936 has a 1935 engine in it. Given the drops in production, GM sure isn't going to pitch out a bunch of engines when they switch designs. Giving GM of Canada a good deal on them is the best route.
Regards, Dave Corbin
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