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#495157 - 03/17/08 12:34 PM Re: Guess what these folks are talking about? [Re: BUICK RACER]
HurstGN HurstGN Member Registered: 03/05/03 Posts: 198 Loc: Pittsburgh, PA	Originally Posted By: BUICK RACER Guess what these folks are talking about? Any word on the discussion, or do we have to wait for months till meeting minutes are published? _________________________ Visit the Pittsburgh Tri-Shields from your PC Dan McCann BCA #34734 October 2007 Hemmings Muscle Machines Feature Car - 1982 Turbocharged Grand National
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#495247 - 03/17/08 07:42 PM Re: Guess what these folks are talking about? [Re: HurstGN]
BUICK RACER BUICK RACER Member Registered: 07/28/00 Posts: 2307 Loc: Flint, MI, USA	No, you don't have to wait months, but in a nutshell, and I'm going out on a limb here, cause, I'm not a Board member, but the BCA Dues have not been raised in 12 years, they have been $35. The cost of the Bugle to produce and mail is the majority of the membership fee,it costs just over $35 per member to publish and deliver as it stands. To add the pages, will add a few more cents to the production and mailing. The BOD, believes a $5 increase in dues is necessary to cover costs, which means sometime soon, there will be a increase in dues, with a increase in content as well. So renew for 3 years now, to avoid the increase in the future, even by renewing now supplements the income of the Club, to be able to continue production of the Bugle and withstand postage and production increases. Hope you all understand this is a business decision, that must be made, now or eventually, and I think it's worth it! _________________________ Roberta BCA #16798 BCA Board of Director,1997-2003 BCA WEBMASTER '56 Special(parts car!),'68 GS350,4-sp '68 GS400 Convertible,4-sp,'66 Wildcats,'70 GSX Stage 1,'70 Skylark Racecar,'73 GS455,'86 Grand National
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#495263 - 03/17/08 08:18 PM Re: Guess what these folks are talking about? [Re: BUICK RACER]
JohnD1956 JohnD1956 Member Registered: 03/29/03 Posts: 2224 Loc: New York	Guess I would have voted to wait for the official minutes to hear this. _________________________ John C. De Fiore BCA # 3757 56 Super 56R 69 GS 400 Convertible 69 Electra Limited 2 dr.( well, no longer limited although still unique) 95 Riviera Supercharged (sold) 06 Lacrosse CXL Doing my part to stimulate the economy! Member of the UPSTATE NY CHAPTER check it out at http://unybca.skyphix.com/
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#495276 - 03/17/08 08:54 PM Re: Guess what these folks are talking about? [Re: JohnD1956]
BUICK RACER BUICK RACER Member Registered: 07/28/00 Posts: 2307 Loc: Flint, MI, USA	sometimes the truth hurts, better now, than later, I guess, be reasonable, and look at the rest of the world, GM stock at $17 something and that really hurts, as well as all the other crap going on, in the world, this is real though, $35 just covers the Bugle now, so why wait, might as well do it now! _________________________ Roberta BCA #16798 BCA Board of Director,1997-2003 BCA WEBMASTER '56 Special(parts car!),'68 GS350,4-sp '68 GS400 Convertible,4-sp,'66 Wildcats,'70 GSX Stage 1,'70 Skylark Racecar,'73 GS455,'86 Grand National
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#495284 - 03/17/08 09:15 PM Re: Guess what these folks are talking about? [Re: BUICK RACER]
MrEarl MrEarl Long Time Member Registered: 07/14/03 Posts: 3534 Loc: NE Georgia	Sounds like a great deal to me. and perhaps the increased size of the Bugle will bring in more advertising and ultimately more revenue from that. GOOD JOB Directors.(imagine a thumbs up icon here) Now since I sold the pick up truck that had the BCA sticker in the back window, how's about considering issuing a free sticker say every other year. That way we could put them on all our cars, pick ups, boats, lawnmowers etc etc. Now that would be some great advertising. $\:\)$ _________________________ Lamar in Athens, Georgia BCA- 39474, 1959 BDBCA-0021, AACA-228846 1954 BUICK "The Beautiful Buy" 1954 Roadmaster 76R, 2 DR HT - DoraB, (Irene,gone down under) 1954 Roadmaster 72R 4 DR - Buttercup, Dakota, Blue Belle, Virginia, Marietta, "High Society" (thank you Paul Meyer) 1954 Century 66R 2 DR HT- "54Muscle" w/3 speed stick(thank you Jim Schilf & Norm Kortus), Mary Jane Verkauft bis ein, wer 54 Buicks in Deutschland liebt, dankt Freund 1954 Special 41D 4 DR Deluxe Sedan 3 speed- Sugar Magnolia
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#495294 - 03/17/08 09:43 PM Re: Guess what these folks are talking about? [Re: MrEarl]
Barney Eaton Barney Eaton Long Time Member Registered: 11/12/99 Posts: 4560 Loc: Georgetown TX USA	The Board spent a great deal of time both before the board meeting and during to evualuate all the options. If we did nothing, knowing there is a postage increase coming in May, we would be in the red. The decision was to increase the dues by $5.00, to $40 per year (I tried to get them to make it $39.95) with discounts for 2 and 3 year re-ups (as Roberta noted, better do that now before the increase becomes affective) Also we tried video taping the meeting so that a perminate record will be saved, this also helps the secretary in preparing the minutes which I predict will be available in record time.......... _________________________ Barney Eaton BCA technical advisor for Reattas- Keeper of the Reatta database- BCA technical advisor coordinator- BCA Board member
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#495299 - 03/17/08 10:01 PM Re: Guess what these folks are talking about? [Re: MrEarl]
Bill Stoneberg Bill Stoneberg Member Registered: 03/11/00 Posts: 2412 Loc: Austin, Texas	I started this thread and here are my comments now that I am back home at the computer. We had 3 proposals presented all of which would have meant more money for the magazine. 2 of the 3 proposals, that increased the number of pages by 16, would have increased the printing and mailing costs. Also, it would have increased the amount of time that both Pete and Cindy would have to spend on the magazine. Time that neither one was sure they had. The other proposal increased the color pages by 8 pages without adding more pages. While this increases printing costs, it has little effect on editing, layout or mailing costs. Cindy, who is the person who does the great job laying out the magazine, had some suggestions on how to get more content without having to increase the magazine size by 16 pages. We are investigating the ideas and I hope you will see some implemented. She also suggested that with 8 more pages of color, that she could make the Bugle much better. That was the option we took at the meeting. Roberta is correct as we will be raising dues in the near future. This is to cover operating expenses as well as the enhancements to the Bugle. The Board runs the club on a budget and just like you do and we watch the money. We try to be good stewards and provide you, the members, the best value for your money. _________________________ Bill 1950 Buick Super Estate Wagon 1947 4 Door Sedan 1964 Riviera
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#495300 - 03/17/08 10:02 PM Re: Guess what these folks are talking about? [Re: MrEarl]
NTX5467 NTX5467 Long Time Member Registered: 12/09/99 Posts: 2721 Loc: DFW, TX	Here we are talking about increasing dues to cover costs and Mr. Earl is wanting additional free stuff????? Good heavens! Thanks for the comments, Roberta. I know the dues increase has been talked about, off and on, for some time, but never happened (for various reasons). Even at (suspected) $40.00/year, with existing BUGLE content, it's not a bad deal. Enjoy! NTX5467
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#495308 - 03/17/08 10:14 PM Re: Guess what these folks are talking about? [Re: BUICK RACER]
51dyno 51dyno Member Registered: 03/19/07 Posts: 27	$5.00 increase is a fair increse.
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#495317 - 03/17/08 10:40 PM Re: Guess what these folks are talking about? [Re: NTX5467]
MrEarl MrEarl Long Time Member Registered: 07/14/03 Posts: 3534 Loc: NE Georgia	Originally Posted By: NTX5467 Here we are talking about increasing dues to cover costs and Mr. Earl is wanting additional free stuff????? Good heavens! Enjoy! NTX5467 You ever tried salvaging a BCA sticker off of a back window of a pickup truck with a dull razor blade....it twernt pretty, I can tell ya that. _________________________ Lamar in Athens, Georgia BCA- 39474, 1959 BDBCA-0021, AACA-228846 1954 BUICK "The Beautiful Buy" 1954 Roadmaster 76R, 2 DR HT - DoraB, (Irene,gone down under) 1954 Roadmaster 72R 4 DR - Buttercup, Dakota, Blue Belle, Virginia, Marietta, "High Society" (thank you Paul Meyer) 1954 Century 66R 2 DR HT- "54Muscle" w/3 speed stick(thank you Jim Schilf & Norm Kortus), Mary Jane Verkauft bis ein, wer 54 Buicks in Deutschland liebt, dankt Freund 1954 Special 41D 4 DR Deluxe Sedan 3 speed- Sugar Magnolia
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#495334 - 03/18/08 12:01 AM Re: Guess what these folks are talking about? [Re: MrEarl]
Thriller Thriller Member Registered: 09/06/03 Posts: 2205 Loc: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada	Originally Posted By: MrEarl lawnmowers etc etc. Now that would be some great advertising. $\:\)$ Umm...how many folks see your lawn mower in any given year? Rita probably wouldn't even seen the sticker since she's probably driving it all the time To the task at hand, 12 years without a dues increase is a good run. Congrats to previous boards for being able to withstand inflationary pressures that long. _________________________ Derek Thille BCA #39416, CBC, MBCC #1984 66 Wildcat Custom Coupe - "Ellie" / 62 Special Convertible / 61 Invicta Convertible / 56 Special 4-door Sedan / 52 Roadmaster 4-door / 41 Special 41SE Sedan / 29 McLaughlin Buick Model 51 2006 Buick Rainier - "Ruby" / 2005 GMC Sierra K2500 - "Max" (the hauler) Thriller's Buick Page
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#495409 - 03/18/08 12:44 PM Re: Guess what these folks are talking about? [Re: Bill Stoneberg]
HurstGN HurstGN Member Registered: 03/05/03 Posts: 198 Loc: Pittsburgh, PA	Originally Posted By: Bill Stoneberg We had 3 proposals presented all of which would have meant more money for the magazine. 2 of the 3 proposals, that increased the number of pages by 16, would have increased the printing and mailing costs. Also, it would have increased the amount of time that both Pete and Cindy would have to spend on the magazine. Time that neither one was sure they had. It takes a certain amount of time to properly assemble each Bugle as Pete and Cindy do right now. It's best not to press them too hard, as the quality may suffer as a result. We don't need to pressure them anymore than they already are. Sounds like a good decision. Originally Posted By: Bill Stoneberg Cindy, who is the person who does the great job laying out the magazine, had some suggestions on how to get more content without having to increase the magazine size by 16 pages. We are investigating the ideas and I hope you will see some implemented. Cindy is amazing at what she does...if Cindy has an idea, listen to it seriously. She really knows what she's doing. I've seen here work miracles with space in the Bugle in the past. Originally Posted By: Bill Stoneberg She also suggested that with 8 more pages of color, that she could make the Bugle much better. That was the option we took at the meeting. That sounds like a reasonable compromise. Like I said, Cindy knows her stuff. I've learned to just nod the head in agreement and watch her work her magic. Originally Posted By: Bill Stoneberg Roberta is correct as we will be raising dues in the near future. This is to cover operating expenses as well as the enhancements to the Bugle. The Board runs the club on a budget and just like you do and we watch the money. We try to be good stewards and provide you, the members, the best value for your money. I think the $5 increase is reasonable. Our chapter discussed this and we were all in agreement that $5 is something we could handle. all in all, sounds like good news for the club from the board. _________________________ Visit the Pittsburgh Tri-Shields from your PC Dan McCann BCA #34734 October 2007 Hemmings Muscle Machines Feature Car - 1982 Turbocharged Grand National
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#495627 - 03/19/08 12:24 PM Re: Guess what these folks are talking about? [Re: MrEarl]
Reatta Man Reatta Man Member Registered: 09/25/00 Posts: 1521 Loc: San Antonio, TX USA	You pay for what you get.... The Bugle is a great magazine and the BCA is a top-notch organization. In a world of $3-4 per gallon gas and $30,000 'typical' cars, why would anyone NOT expect to pay more in order to get more?
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#495665 - 03/19/08 03:34 PM Re: Guess what these folks are talking about? [Re: Barney Eaton]
wildcat62 wildcat62 Member Registered: 12/18/04 Posts: 69 Loc: Minnesota	Originally Posted By: Barney Eaton The Board spent a great deal of time both before the board meeting and during to evualuate all the options. If we did nothing, knowing there is a postage increase coming in May, we would be in the red. The decision was to increase the dues by $5.00, to $40 per year (I tried to get them to make it $39.95) with discounts for 2 and 3 year re-ups (as Roberta noted, better do that now before the increase becomes affective) Also we tried video taping the meeting so that a perminate record will be saved, this also helps the secretary in preparing the minutes which I predict will be available in record time.......... I'd agree with that. Especially, the last statement. $;\)$ _________________________ Kris Syrdal BCA BOD Secretary BCA #24678 ROA #10478 1962 Wildcat 1967 Riviera 1972 Riviera 1998 Riviera
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#495851 - 03/20/08 09:15 AM Re: Guess what these folks are talking about? [Re: wildcat62]
Mr Riviera Mr Riviera Member Registered: 12/13/99 Posts: 377 Loc: San Diego (Alpine)	This was kind of a no brainer ! With increase postage and other costs we had to raise dues . The big question was how much ? After much discussion I brought up the fact that " Its not broken - lets not try to fix it " The Bugle is an excellent publication and we get many compliments . We could make it better however by adding more color for very little cost. If we increased the pages the cost to publish would take a big jump and a 5.00 increase in dues would not cover it. A bigger increase in dues would not be very well accepted so I made the motion that we increase the color pages only and it passed 100 % . Our Graphic Artist was thrilled that we passed this and promised an even better looking publication ~ The Board , Working For You ! _________________________ Dick Sweeney BCA # 15786 - BCA Board Member and Tech. Advisor ROA # 146 - Tech. Advisor 1965 Riviera x 2 1961 LeSabre Conv. 2003 Thunderbird
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