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#492922 - 03/08/08 08:02 AM A larger Bugle and an increase in dues
Bill Stoneberg Bill Stoneberg Member Registered: 03/11/00 Posts: 2412 Loc: Austin, Texas	In the March Bugle both Bill Darrow (President of BCA) and Pete Phillips (Editor of the Bugle) brought up the fact that next week at the BOD meeting we will discuss increasing the number of pages of the Bugle. We are discussing this because Pete has a stack of articles that he doesn't have room to publish, and they keep coming in. For Pete this is a good problem to have but if you are an author of one of those articles, you may not be so happy. Because of the way printing works, the most economical way of adding pages is to add another 16 pages. Dont ask me why. The club budget is based on $ 35 / person dues and most of that money goes to publishing and mailing the Bugle to the members. So it stands to reason that an increase in the Bugle would probably mean an increase in the dues. Otherwise the club would start losing money. So after this long explanation, my question to you is "Would you support a increase in your dues for a Bugle with more pages ? " And by more pages, I would hope that a majority of them being are content, not more advertisements. Please tell me what you think. Edited by Bill Stoneberg (03/08/08 01:13 PM) Edit Reason: removed amount _________________________ Bill 1950 Buick Super Estate Wagon 1947 4 Door Sedan 1964 Riviera
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#492926 - 03/08/08 08:32 AM Re: A larger Bugle and an increase in dues [Re: Bill Stoneberg]
serb serb Member Registered: 02/11/05 Posts: 631 Loc: Lockport, NY (Buffalo/Niagara...	Bill, Count me in for the increase to get more content in an already wonderful publication. Kudos to Pete and the staff of the BUGLE. Stevo _________________________ 1983 Riviera Convertible: 1946 Super 4 Door Sedan ROA: BCA: Niagara Frontier Chapter BCA, Upstate NY Chapter BCA, Buicktown Chapter BCA, BDE BCA, PWD BCA, AACA: Lake Erie Region AACA
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#492936 - 03/08/08 09:29 AM Re: A larger Bugle and an increase in dues [Re: serb]
jscheib jscheib Member Registered: 09/05/03 Posts: 705 Loc: CT	IU agree, and it would be good to keep the due under $50. Yes, the 16 pages would make it fit their formula, and it would also increase postage, I am sure. Again, we may lose some membership, but as long as Pete feeld worthy articles are coming in, I say yes. John _________________________ '32 - 57-S '68 Riviera Assistant Director - Yankee Chapter BCA ROA, AACA, BDE
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#492951 - 03/08/08 10:13 AM Re: A larger Bugle and an increase in dues [Re: jscheib]
Matt Harwood Matt Harwood Member Registered: 10/09/01 Posts: 1616 Loc: Cleveland, OH	Agreed. The Bugle has become a first-rate publication, and I would certainly support an increase in content, even with an increase in dues. Right now, you can't buy a high-quality subscription to some magazines for $35. I know I pay almost $60 for "Sports Car Market" and I think that "The Rodder's Journal" (while beautiful) is approaching $15 an issue ($60/year). I'd happily pay for more Bugle. _________________________ Matt Harwood (BCA #38767) 1941 Century Sedanette If you have a 1941-42 Buick with dual carbs, please visit: The Dual-Carb Registry
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#492957 - 03/08/08 10:47 AM Re: A larger Bugle and an increase in dues [Re: Matt Harwood]
Smartin Smartin Member Registered: 03/04/02 Posts: 1875 Loc: St. Charles, MO	No problems here with a dues increase. I know our local chapter has been toying with the idea for a couple years, now. No ones really seems to be objecting to the issue when we bring it up. But I have a feeling that the people who are against it aren't speaking up. _________________________ Adam Martin Gateway Chapter Assistant Director www.buickpartsdirectory.com www.buickcenturion.com www.gatewaybca.org 1971 Buick Centurion Formal Coupe 1971 Buick LeSabre Custom455 Four Door Sedan
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#492962 - 03/08/08 10:53 AM Re: A larger Bugle and an increase in dues [Re: Bill Stoneberg]
JohnD1956 JohnD1956 Member Registered: 03/29/03 Posts: 2224 Loc: New York	The Bugle is excellent, and I'd vote to see more in it even at increased cost. Further I would not object to an increase in dues in the amount you propose. However, your proposal seems to have a very wide range for just 16 additional pages in the Bugle. Personally I'd vote for a higher dues if the insurance policy the club allows chapters to piggyback on for shows was expanded to cover everyone at the show, participants and spectators alike, And I'd vote for an expansion of dues to help fund the awards the club hands out at National Meets. However I would like to see the dues remain at or under $50.00 per annum. _________________________ John C. De Fiore BCA # 3757 56 Super 56R 69 GS 400 Convertible 69 Electra Limited 2 dr.( well, no longer limited although still unique) 95 Riviera Supercharged (sold) 06 Lacrosse CXL Doing my part to stimulate the economy! Member of the UPSTATE NY CHAPTER check it out at http://unybca.skyphix.com/
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#493009 - 03/08/08 01:12 PM Re: A larger Bugle and an increase in dues [Re: JohnD1956]
Bill Stoneberg Bill Stoneberg Member Registered: 03/11/00 Posts: 2412 Loc: Austin, Texas	Just so you all know, the amount is WHAT I THINK. It is not what has been proposed yet. So dont take it as gospel. We will know more next weekend. I think I will pull the amount out of my original post so nobody get false ideas. _________________________ Bill 1950 Buick Super Estate Wagon 1947 4 Door Sedan 1964 Riviera
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#493012 - 03/08/08 01:38 PM Re: A larger Bugle and an increase in dues [Re: Bill Stoneberg]
michel88 michel88 Member Registered: 04/16/00 Posts: 329 Loc: owings mills, md, usa	I am very happy with the Bugle since Pete Phillips has taken over as the Editor. I would be willing to pay additonal dues to get approximately 16 more pages. The Bugle was a good magazine before, but it is now outstanding! _________________________ Woody Michel BCA 26487, AACA 595592 '40 Roadmaster Coupe '51 Ford Country Squire '63 Riviera '62 Morgan Plus 4
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#493015 - 03/08/08 02:00 PM Re: A larger Bugle and an increase in dues [Re: Bill Stoneberg]
billbuickgs billbuickgs Member Registered: 04/30/01 Posts: 155 Loc: baltimore,maryland	I agree that the additional cost will be offset by the additional pleasure we get from the Bugle.Thumbs UP !!! Thanks, Bill
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#493086 - 03/08/08 05:51 PM Re: A larger Bugle and an increase in dues [Re: Bill Stoneberg]
Tri-shield Tri-shield Member Registered: 08/30/04 Posts: 66 Loc: Northwest USA	A lot more Bugle for a little more money. Sign us up, Bill! _________________________ Eric Bernard Buicks Don't Leak Oil, They Sweat Horsepower 1959 Buick Division #11 Buick Club of America #38215 Golden Fin Society
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#493115 - 03/08/08 07:50 PM Re: A larger Bugle and an increase in dues [Re: Bill Stoneberg]
Howard Purvis Howard Purvis Member Registered: 08/23/01 Posts: 61 Loc: Portland, Oregon	Bill, I vote yes. Howard Purvis
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#493159 - 03/08/08 09:58 PM Re: A larger Bugle and an increase in dues [Re: Howard Purvis]
Thriller Thriller Member Registered: 09/06/03 Posts: 2205 Loc: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada	I personally have no qualms about paying more for an expanded Bugle. That being said, there's a couple of things that start popping into my head, such as...it would be nice to see (and by see, it wouldn't need to be my eyes - the BCA BoD would be fine) a breakdown of costs, and whether or not additional advertising in the 16 added pages could cover the cost. That would also assume that there are additional advertisers who would like to be in the Bugle / could be convinced to advertise in the Bugle. I am very pleased with what has been accomplished with the Bugle under Pete's leadership. That being said, nothing lasts forever. Ultimately, there will come a day when Pete is either unable or unwilling to continue or the BoD of the day decides to move in another direction. Will we be able to continue the momentum of large number of article submissions? To that end, does anyone know reasons behind the improvement in submissions? Is it a chicken and egg thing with improved content leading to a better magazine leading to more desire to be published in the magazine? Is it that the monthly features have pushed aside some of the submitted content? Are chapters / regions / divisions submitting more articles / photos? Or is it something my tired brain hasn't thought of? Please don't take this the wrong way - I am not implying that Pete is ready to quit nor that the BoD is ready to dump Pete - I'm just saying there will come a day (hopefully not in the near future) that Pete will not be editor...will there be someone as skilled and energetic to fill his shoes? I hope so. When I started this post, I'm sure I had a couple more comments / thoughts...unfortunately I got too long winded and anything else that was in my brain seems to be gone. _________________________ Derek Thille BCA #39416, CBC, MBCC #1984 66 Wildcat Custom Coupe - "Ellie" / 62 Special Convertible / 61 Invicta Convertible / 56 Special 4-door Sedan / 52 Roadmaster 4-door / 41 Special 41SE Sedan / 29 McLaughlin Buick Model 51 2006 Buick Rainier - "Ruby" / 2005 GMC Sierra K2500 - "Max" (the hauler) Thriller's Buick Page
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#493161 - 03/08/08 10:06 PM Re: A larger Bugle and an increase in dues [Re: Howard Purvis]
riv2x4 riv2x4 Member Registered: 08/20/00 Posts: 209 Loc: green oaks il	The following comments are not meant as a personal position against adding editorial content to the Bugle. I also agree Pete has done a wonderful job and Bigger is probably better. A potential downside to this is attracting new members to local chapters. Right now, the best we can do at our local level is have a potential new member spend $50, $35 National + $15 Local dues to join. Some, but not all potential new members are members of the GS Club or ROA members and already pay dues to those organizations. An additional $50 to join what will probably only be a local organization can be a tough sell. A $65+??? to join, may be a deal breaker. Membership is down both locally and nationally be it from the economy, more "old car" opportunities, an aging membership or a combination of all of the above. I would love to see a Bugle optional membership that would allow local chapters the ability to attract new members into their chapters without the potential scare factor of a $50 + $local dues cost to join. I think we should be making it easier for new members to join. To those here that say it is only an extra $ insert your preferred figure here, and it is worth it, what is an extra $$$$$, remember many younger members may not feel it is worth all that for what is probably only a local involvement. Any other options that would allow local membership without paying fullboat national dues would be great too. Larry
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#493165 - 03/08/08 10:41 PM Re: A larger Bugle and an increase in dues [Re: riv2x4]
51dyno 51dyno Member Registered: 03/19/07 Posts: 27	I would say 2.50 to 5.00 is ok.Not all members have a gold pot that never gets empty, just a thought.
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#493205 - 03/09/08 08:18 AM Re: A larger Bugle and an increase in dues [Re: 51dyno]
1DandyDaves 1DandyDaves Member Registered: 12/31/05 Posts: 1048 Loc: Craryville N.Y.	The county is broke, The housing market is bust, And here I sit in my garage with a grand old Buick, just a pile of rust! Dreaming one day that I'll drive her down the lane. more for the Bugle you say, Sure, I'll bare the pain. Especially for a gain! Dandy Dave! $\:D$ _________________________ Most of my money I spent on Tools, Mechanical things, and Girls. The rest I wasted! BCA # 41931 Just another well rounded Collector! 1915 Buick C-36 Roadster. 1957 Dodge Sweptside pickup. Dandy Daves L'il Digger. Cat model 12 Grader #6M17 1937 John Deere BO Other goodies!!!
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