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#472962 - 12/18/07 10:51 PM
Re: HCC Editorial
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rocketraider
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Registered: 12/05/01
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I met Richard at the POCI National Meet in Gaithersburg MD and found him to be an engaging and well-read guy. He was editor of High Performance Pontiac at that time. HCC is in good hands with him at the helm.
The trouble with EPA is it's accountable to no one. A rogue agency, if you will, that has been able to railroad its agenda thru with no oversight. And that's the way the greenies want it.
I won't say the agency hasn't done some good, but bottom line, how far do we allow it to go in its zeal before it totally cripples US industry? If they had just stuck to industry, but now they want to regulate private citizens in everything too. Waiting for the day they attempt to outlaw farting...
We had an excellent class at work "Systematic Approach to Industrial Operations". One thing the instructor stressed was that you could create enough regulations and boundaries to where you couldn't do anything.
'Course, were I an EPA wonk, I'd be churning out as much regulation as I could too- job security!
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"That's a strange concept, Son" said my father as he sampled the day's run of silvery-clear moonshine for taste and quality. "Good 'shine, that. Your grandpap would be proud that the gift has passed on to another generation. But yes, it's real strange that some folks feel like a varmint has more right to illegally inhabit and destroy your property than you have to prevent it from doing it."
"Come to think of it, that's why your Uncle Reade sold off all them rental houses he had. It was costing him more to fix what the varmints tore up than he was making off 'em. And the govamint wouldn't let him evict them."
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#472970 - 12/18/07 11:39 PM
Re: HCC Editorial
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1937hd45
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Registered: 11/01/01
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This should give real estate sales a boost, large barn surrounded with 50-60 acres of forest.
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#472977 - 12/19/07 12:35 AM
Re: HCC Editorial
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elmo39
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Registered: 08/16/06
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not living in the US i can't comment on the regulations over there , but reading what has been said the regulations refer to toxics, do they bar all hobby painting or just the use of toxic paint. as a retired professional car painter i think i can state that the two pot paints that are catylised with a isosyanate hardener should never ever be used by a untrained person without a spraybooth built to handle it . not because of the enviroment but because of the damage it does to your health . i am speaking from experiance i worked for a body shop in the late 80's who did not have all the right safety equipment to handle that type of paint , my health now suffers because of that .Isosyanate is a accumulative poison that builds up in your body and can't be removed . once it gets to a certan level its goodbye, my own modern car now needs some paint work done , i will send it out to some one else to do.
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#473008 - 12/19/07 06:59 AM
Re: HCC Editorial
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stock_steve
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Registered: 07/02/04
Posts: 531
Loc: The Mega-Nuts State
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Lentinello's right--our hobby is gradually being taken away from us. The beaurocrats are falling in line behind the scare-mongers...
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ADDED: I did not mean to sound cavalier about safety--and after reading a few of the followup comments here, I feel I needed to add this comment. (I almost feel it superfluous to have to say this but...) Please be aware that I do not risk my own or anyone else's health or safety in pursuit of my antique auto restoration hobby--nor do I condone anyone else doing so...blah, blah, blah...
Edited by stock_steve (12/19/07 03:15 PM)
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#473076 - 12/19/07 02:15 PM
Re: HCC Editorial
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58srgreat
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Registered: 03/14/07
Posts: 16
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STEVE,
I just received an e-mail from RICHARD,editor of HCC.He did have some GOOD news to report.Apparently SEMA was in part looking after OUR interests.A LAST MINUTE provision will allow HOBBYISTS to paint up to TWO cars per YEAR.Richard said he will have more information in his next editorial.We will still have a fight on our hands as this still will not resolve the issue of wether or not a HOBBYIST will still be able to purchase AUTO paint after 2011.
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#473092 - 12/19/07 04:21 PM
Re: HCC Editorial
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Dave@Moon
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Registered: 12/14/99
Posts: 7373
Loc: Fairfield (Cincinnati), OH
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Even if everyone in the U.S. painted a car in their garage it would not even equal the amount of Hydro Carbons and Carbon monoxide that Al Gore put out flying his private plane around advertising his little movie!
This statement isn't even remotely true. Painting cars emits tons of VOCs to the air every day, sending some of us to the hospital every day. The people who have to deal with these matters for us are not morons. It takes decades of study to understand the quantities and consequences involved.
That said, as my previous post points out they are forced to work with and for politicians. It's because of that that stuff like this happens.
The hobbiest exemption conceeded proves that they're not the henious demigods that some would like to portray them as. They knew all along how tiny hobbiest contributions are to overall problem. I seriously doubt that they didn't consider this problem in the first place, and decided to teach their political overlords a lesson by letting them have what they asked for.
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#473100 - 12/19/07 04:57 PM
Re: HCC Editorial
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jscheib
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Registered: 09/05/03
Posts: 696
Loc: CT
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Interesting about the limit of two cars per year. I wonder how many government employees and how much paperwork it will take to keep track of that. Probably a couple more bucks increase in the tax bill, or maybe they will tax the paint a couple of hundred percent.
This might be a solution, but not a cheap one, I bet. We all better get this projects completed next year, or so. I am sure even the profesional painters will see an increase in cost just for the regulations.
My opinion only.
John
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#473126 - 12/19/07 07:16 PM
Re: HCC Editorial
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Bhigdog
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Registered: 10/23/01
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Loc: Eastern PA
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Yeah, Good idea taxing paint like tobacco. That will get us to quit. I won't mind a paint tax seeing as how paint is so cheap at about $200 a gallon, reducer $50 a gallon....Bob
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#473128 - 12/19/07 07:17 PM
Re: HCC Editorial
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1948Lincoln
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Registered: 07/17/07
Posts: 395
Loc: California
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Even if everyone in the U.S. painted a car in their garage it would not even equal the amount of Hydro Carbons and Carbon monoxide that Al Gore put out flying his private plane around advertising his little movie!
'This statement isn't even remotely true.'
The thing is, look at all the candidates in the 2008 primaries, whether it is Hillary, Giluiani, Thompson, Obama, etc. how many of these 'Hydro Carbons' are emitted by these candidates running in the primary, in comparison to grandpap McCoy painting his Chalmers in the garage! I would never paint my own car, because I do not have the tools and most of all, I do not have the skills! It would be a mess!
History has proven that the more beaucracy created the less efficient a government becomes and the more YOUR tax dollars are wasted on useless and pointless legislation and elimination of rights. Therefore, instead of say, helping the nations poor, building up infrastructure, they rather go after Joe Shmo painting his '63 Apache and fine him, therefore, preventing him to use that money and stimulate the economy. Instead of going after Joe Schmo they should go after the big companies which have for years ignored enviromental regulations because the $ that they are fined they, consider as just a cost of buisness and it does not affect them.
Dave@Moon I feel your pain, in regards to bad air quality, I live in L.A. and believe me, I know what bad air is! (city busses spew all sorts of crap!) I also agree that people are not 'morons' but, they listen to what brings in more money, power and beurocracy. Their science is only a few years old in the grand scheme of things and it would take hundreds to determine what is truly going on and compare readings. My grandmother is 87 years old, born in 1920 and she remembers both Hot, Cold, wet and dry winters, the world goes in cycles, like the ice age or any other time in History, that is just the way the world is. Back in the 1970's the scientific 'elite' said in many public publications such as the L.A Times and Time magazine,etc. aid that we would have another Ice Age by 1984!, 'Global Cooling' they called it, now it is 'Global Warming' because the cooling thing did not work out! Al Gore, for example has millions invested in the alternate energy industry, so, as any business man would, he is pushing his business. Meanwhile he is flying around in private jets, having several mansions that use more energy in a day then we do in a year in our homes! And he is not even there!
The thing is, is that when they open the door to more regululation, people take advantage and ad more and more regulation and restrict our rights more and more when it comes to our rights as hobbiests and the powers that be still get away with breaking the laws. Government is not the answer to all of our problems, I believe, that if you are dedicated to the Enviroment and this 'green' agenda, then DON'T paint your car DON'T drive your car DONT fly in a plane, GO back to candles and 16th century style living, RIDE your bike to work through the snow and sleet and rain. But, people like Al Gore should not act like they are committed to the enviroment when they truly are not and want to stuff their own pockets! It is NOT up to the government to increase ridiculous legislation, it is like a parent punishing their child, it is one thing if it is for security or safety or whatever but, it is another thing to completly control all of our lives, do they not have faith that we will do the right thing? They are humans like us right? What makes these beurocracies think that they know better than us? Before you know it they will limit our classic car mileage and what we can do and what we cannot in regards to our cars.
I believe in our government and the American Way. I believe that government can help people when they are dedicated to helping people (the 'New Deal') and not stuffing their own pockets with endless investigation, legislation, and fining of Joe Schmo!
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#473173 - 12/19/07 10:01 PM
Re: HCC Editorial
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Peter Gariepy
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Registered: 08/30/02
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Loc: Tucson, AZ
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WARNING 1
Stick to the subject!
Get off your soapbox and back up your facts before you post.
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