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#457321 - 10/19/07 09:40 PM
Restoring 1930 Buick 46S
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George K.
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Hi - my name is George Kargov. I will be a new member of AACA in January 2008.
I have been reading the forum topics and tremendously enjoying them. I have also been encouraged. 30 years ago, I purchased a 1930 Buick 46S. Back then, I started some restoration of the wood members. Due to my lack of knowledge, it was a slow process. I went to night school for woodworking classes and have learned enough to start restoring my car again.
I will be taking the car out of storage early spring next year. Note - when I purchased the car, it was not in running condition and it did not have a rumble seat. The previous owner gave me a rumble lid and on it was written "Essex" in chalk. I wonder if this is the right lid for the Buick?
I would be very interested in hearing from anyone who has done, or is doing, restoration on a similar model.
georgekargov@sympatico.ca
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#458891 - 10/26/07 09:19 AM
Re: Restoring 1930 Buick 46S
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Paul Gronhovd
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George,
I am restoring a 1930 Buick model 46s and I am currentlly making a new wood frame. I can provide photos and other information to help you with your project.
Paul Gronhovd
pgronhovd@undeerc.org
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#458986 - 10/26/07 03:09 PM
Re: Restoring 1930 Buick 46S
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Thriller
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Loc: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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Hi George,
I just noticed the .ca address...whereabouts in the country are you located? I'm in the middle in Winnipeg. I have a '29 Model 51 that I plan to eventually restore.
Good luck with your car.
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#459098 - 10/26/07 10:19 PM
Re: Restoring 1930 Buick 46S
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George K.
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Hi Paul,
Thanks for your reply and offer. I'm looking forward to seeing your progress in restoring your car. I would also like to see how the wood frame looks - especially the rumble seat.
George
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#459099 - 10/26/07 10:22 PM
Re: Restoring 1930 Buick 46S
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George K.
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Hi Derek,
I live in Toronto, Ontario. Good luck to you with your 1929 Buick. I will be joining the Buick club as well in Jan./08.
George
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#459126 - 10/27/07 12:17 AM
Re: Restoring 1930 Buick 46S
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Thriller
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As some things are similar to 1929, you may want to look up Bill McLaughlin (also in Toronto) - contact info is at http://www.29buick.ca/.
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#459328 - 10/27/07 11:58 PM
Re: Restoring 1930 Buick 46S
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George K.
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Thanks for the tip. Back in the 80s I used to be a member of the McLaughlin Buick Club of Canada. I had met with Bill and he was very helpful. I did see his 29 McLaughlin Convertible. At the time I checked the car and it was hard to see the wood construction.
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#459463 - 10/28/07 04:04 PM
Re: Restoring 1930 Buick 46S
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Paul Gronhovd
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Registered: 10/26/07
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George,
I will attempt to attach a photo of the sill for a 46s.
I have completed the notches for the door hinge pillars but not for the door latch pillars. Next step will be to install the hinge pillars and the cowl.
If your car is missing a lot of the rumble seat parts it may have suffered a similar modification as my car. My car had the rumble seat parts removed and was most likely used as pickup to sell vegetables. I found vegetable sales signs in the back window pocket.
Paul
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#459482 - 10/28/07 05:39 PM
Re: Restoring 1930 Buick 46S
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George K.
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WOW! It looks great! Thank you Paul. What type of wood are you using?
Thanks again! That picture will be so much help to me!
George
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#459506 - 10/28/07 08:04 PM
Re: Restoring 1930 Buick 46S
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Paul Gronhovd
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The wood for the frame is 8/4 white ash from a mill in Minnesota. I really like working with it. It machines well and also is great for hand tools.
I have been using the front holes that connect directly to the frame as my reference. You can see there is a channel on the underside of the sill that keeps it centered on the frame. The front holes are the only ones that are directly above the frame. The other holes are above brackets that sit on the outside of the frame.
Paul
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#460542 - 11/01/07 08:45 PM
Re: Restoring 1930 Buick 46S
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Paul Gronhovd
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Here are the hinge pillars for the 46s. I had one good original to work from. It can become a puzzle to get every thing to fit together. You can see I had to make a length correction at the bottom. What is your opinion making corrections versus redoing the entire part?
Paul
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#460923 - 11/03/07 12:13 PM
Re: Restoring 1930 Buick 46S
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George K.
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Thanks Paul - you do beautiful work! Regarding the hinge pillars, length correction - splicing of wood parts is mentioned in the Fisher Body service manual. What I would be concerned about is where the splicing is done. On the bottom of the hinge pillar where it meets with the seal, if it's strong enough to be able to support the door. Personally I would redo them so that I would not regret later on - when everything is screwed and glued together. That's my opinion. If anyone else has any other suggestions, please respond.
George
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#461993 - 11/05/07 02:23 PM
Re: Restoring 1930 Buick 46S
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rlbleeker
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Personally, I have to do things over. Even if it would be completely hidden and only I would know. They don't look like there's a structural issue, just whether your happy with them.
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#462351 - 11/06/07 07:35 PM
Re: Restoring 1930 Buick 46S
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Paul Gronhovd
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I am attaching a photo to show how the pillars fit in the cowl. The strength to carry the heavy doors comes from the metal brackets and the cowl that is nailed to the pillars. There is also a crossbar that joins the pillars and is also nailed to the cowl.
I want to maintain good quality and be accurate to the way it was built originally. On the other hand I am not building furniture. On the tear down I did find places where wood was added to fill voids. This was the case for the space behind the sheet metal trim below the doors attached to the edge of the sill.
So for now I am happy with the results. Thanks for the feedback.
Paul
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#462545 - 11/07/07 02:38 PM
Re: Restoring 1930 Buick 46S
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rlbleeker
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Good point, I'm sure these things weren't perfect from the factory, probably more correct with a few adjustments. I've got a '30 Marquette model 36 (almost the same car) with questionable wood, so this thread is really interesting. I hope I can save it, this looks like a lot of work, and I'm not a woodworker.
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