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#450549 - 09/21/07 10:17 PM Re: Series II L67/ 6 speed manual conversion [Re: F14CRAZY]
F14CRAZY F14CRAZY Long Time Member Registered: 10/28/04 Posts: 4849 Loc: Dimondale, MI	I visited my machinist to check his progress. He'll have it done early next week, but he's a genius (sorry for my crappy photo angles) _________________________ My name is Philip. '89 coupe '90 white coupe (brother's, being reconstructed)
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#452881 - 10/02/07 01:59 PM Re: Series II L67/ 6 speed manual conversion [Re: F14CRAZY]
F14CRAZY F14CRAZY Long Time Member Registered: 10/28/04 Posts: 4849 Loc: Dimondale, MI	My machinist has been busy but should have my clutch pedal assembly done by next Monday (my birthday) I lifted up the L67 to mess around with the passenger side motor mount. On the L67 it's located under the harmonic balancer, but with the LN3 is more underneath the air con compressor. The bolt holes are in the same location between the two blocks, and the LN3 bracket and mount will bolt up just fine. I have to pick up a new hydraulic mount cuz it's leaking and I'm certain it's "done". Pricey little buggers though, $166 at Advance. Is there a solid mount for this that you guys have used that may interchange? I'll post pix later. For the heck of it I did some rough measuring of the location of the driver's side mount that's attached to the tranny. They're in the same spot, if not very close, between the F40 six speed and the 4T60. I was gonna go ahead and pull the subframe/engine cradle but I need a 6 point 15mm socket, which I don't have at the moment. Pix later! _________________________ My name is Philip. '89 coupe '90 white coupe (brother's, being reconstructed)
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#452997 - 10/02/07 09:19 PM Re: Series II L67/ 6 speed manual conversion [Re: F14CRAZY]
F14CRAZY F14CRAZY Long Time Member Registered: 10/28/04 Posts: 4849 Loc: Dimondale, MI	I got the 4300 out to get the L67 in the air to mess with the passenger side mount (on E-bodies this would be the front-passenger mount, I guess) I'll do what I can to explain this one...on the left is the stock Reatta (E body) mount and right is the W-body mount that came attached to the L67. On the Reatta mount, notice the 3 holes in a V-formation...these bolt to the block. The rest of the assembly holds the compressor. Now, to the W body mount...um, I forgot how to explain it well and I'm too beat to go back outside and look :P . But the L67 has the same 3 holes in the V formation as the LN3 block, though the W body mount does not use the 3rd (top, farthest to the left) bolt hole of the V formation. Meaning, the LN3 bracket fits perfectly fine to the L67 and is in the same place it was $\:D$ [/i] _________________________ My name is Philip. '89 coupe '90 white coupe (brother's, being reconstructed)
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#456051 - 10/16/07 12:15 AM Re: Series II L67/ 6 speed manual conversion [Re: F14CRAZY]
F14CRAZY F14CRAZY Long Time Member Registered: 10/28/04 Posts: 4849 Loc: Dimondale, MI	Sorry for the crappy pic, but I pulled the dashboard tonight and did some more cutting. I'm trying to get the clutch pedal to go up farther off the floor and forward a bit more to match the brake pedal _________________________ My name is Philip. '89 coupe '90 white coupe (brother's, being reconstructed)
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#457027 - 10/18/07 10:05 PM Re: Series II L67/ 6 speed manual conversion [Re: F14CRAZY]
F14CRAZY F14CRAZY Long Time Member Registered: 10/28/04 Posts: 4849 Loc: Dimondale, MI	I wish I had a better update for you guys (pix) but it seems I misplaced the charger for my camera. Mmmmy bad! I removed the base of the center console, including the radio module inside, and I've made up two brackets to mount the G6 shifter assembly. It's a lot bigger than the Reatta shifter. One challenge I face actually is having choice. I can pretty much put the clutch pedal, shifter, and anything else exactly where I want it to make it comfortable, easy to reach and use...like Scott at the Auto Shop put the clutch pedal for his 5 speed in his Reatta a little closer than the brake, and mentioned that RWD cars often have this. That's cool, but I haven't really driven a RWD manual car, let alone manuals aside from a '91 F250, '92 Explorer, and my '07 Forester. I can get educated opinions from others, but will such a position be right for me? I don't know. It doesn't help that I have the car torn down so far that I can't really check out things like that. This pertains to a lot of other things, like where exactly should I position the gauges on the pillar that I want? shrug. At any rate, I've got the pedals spaced pretty evenly horizontally and vertically with each other. The angle of the pad on the pedals may need to be changed (cut and rewelded) to be perfect, but that isn't a problem. The shifter is going to be pretty much where the Reatta's was, but I'm kind of shooting in the dark on this because obviously a manual shifter moves differently from an auto shifter. I considered though that the stock auto shifter was in a pretty comfortable position to start with, with all measurements considered. Height will be about the same but probably slightly taller. When the time comes I'll have Vern of Lansing Auto Trim make me a shift boot that fits the console. Yesterday I stopped by Crippen (closest Buick dealer to me) and ordered another G6 clutch pedal pad. Recall that I trimmed my stock brake pedal perfectly to be the same size as the G6 clutch pedal. $11. _________________________ My name is Philip. '89 coupe '90 white coupe (brother's, being reconstructed)
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#458010 - 10/22/07 10:46 PM Re: Series II L67/ 6 speed manual conversion [Re: F14CRAZY]
F14CRAZY F14CRAZY Long Time Member Registered: 10/28/04 Posts: 4849 Loc: Dimondale, MI	I kicked some butt tonight and I can say I'm done with the clutch pedal and master cylinder. I'm using my little bro's camera and I'm going to jack up the image quality a notch next time The master cylinder through the firewall. It can be spun around and adjusted to get the reservoir inlet and the outlet to the slave cylinder just right. My idea for sealing it up is to get an old tractor tube and cut it just right, then fasten it to the firewall. Keep drafts, water, and fumes out $\:\)$ The pedal arrangement seems to have turned out pretty well. They're close to where they will be when the car is operational. The brake is wearing a G6 clutch pedal pad that came with the G6 clutch pedal, and the clutch pedal is wearing a brand new, well, G6 clutch pedal pad. They're slightly different but good-e-nuffer for at least the time being. The angle of which the pedal itself faces you is different between the clutch and the brake, and the clutch may be an inch or two too close to the driver, but I can have Mario cut and weld it to my liking later. I'm pretty satisfied with how my brackets came out. I painted my brackets and did a quick spray of all the bare surfaces from my cutting. _________________________ My name is Philip. '89 coupe '90 white coupe (brother's, being reconstructed)
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#467367 - 11/27/07 11:43 AM Re: Series II L67/ 6 speed manual conversion [Re: F14CRAZY]
F14CRAZY F14CRAZY Long Time Member Registered: 10/28/04 Posts: 4849 Loc: Dimondale, MI	Progress: I've been a little disgruntled with cars lately since my Forester was like totaled, but I'm back at it. I got this done last night...it came out pretty well. The shifter is mounted firmly despite the crapload of washers and from what I can tell, is in a really good spot as far as ergonomics go. I'm pretty sure the stock G6 shift cables will reach. _________________________ My name is Philip. '89 coupe '90 white coupe (brother's, being reconstructed)
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#467415 - 11/27/07 03:44 PM Re: Series II L67/ 6 speed manual conversion [Re: F14CRAZY]
TommyH TommyH Member Registered: 09/15/06 Posts: 905 Loc: Akron, Ohio	Wow! Nice work! I wish I could find a Toronado Trofeo to do my shifter mod.. _________________________ If at first you don't succed, try, try, and try again, and keep trying 'till you can't try no more, and if you couldn't do what you spent all that time trying to do, then you just spent a whole lot of time trying to do something you just couldn't do!
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#468536 - 12/01/07 10:22 PM Re: Series II L67/ 6 speed manual conversion [Re: F14CRAZY]
F14CRAZY F14CRAZY Long Time Member Registered: 10/28/04 Posts: 4849 Loc: Dimondale, MI	F14's at it again! Reatta's engine cradle. I'll be replacing the suspension bushings, steering rack and inner tie rods, and painting it before it goes back in. No obvious rust damage Driver's side transmission mount. You'll see this later... This is where the hydraulic mount goes, near the a/c compressor To anyone that thought the F40 wouldn't mount to a 3800...it does :). I figured I'd see how this would mount to the cradle tonight for the heck of it so I put a few bolts to it and the bellhousings match just fine. I don't have a clutch set built yet...that's probably going to be next in my budget The shift cable bracket (holds the cables to the transmission) are in the way of the exhaust crossover, so I took the bracket off. I'll make any modifications needed after i get TOGs Edited by F14CRAZY (12/02/07 11:27 AM) _________________________ My name is Philip. '89 coupe '90 white coupe (brother's, being reconstructed)
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#468636 - 12/02/07 10:21 AM Re: Series II L67/ 6 speed manual conversion [Re: F14CRAZY]
MauiWowee MauiWowee Member Registered: 02/02/05 Posts: 1010 Loc: SW Ohio	RE: relocating oil filter. There are kits for doing this. I believe they are called something like "remote oil filter kit". Try Jeg's, or if you need help finding one let me know. They come with the relocating bracket. _________________________ '91 Coupe Maui blue/blue/black - One of five '94 Regal GS 53K
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#468652 - 12/02/07 11:05 AM Re: Series II L67/ 6 speed manual conversion [Re: MauiWowee]
Greg Ross Greg Ross Member Registered: 06/19/00 Posts: 1799 Loc: Prince Edward Island, Canada	Stuck out here in the "Boonies" with nothing but "Dial-Up" I modified "Preferences" to display only two postings at a time so I could actually view some of your photos, service still times out before this last full batch you included in the one message can download. Refreshed several times and still don't gett all of the images or the complete download of many images! From what I've been able to see so far you'll have to modify your exhaust to clear the shifter tower and cables. On my Getrag 284 I was able to just rotate the mating flange enough to allow it to bolt up and still clear the shift mechanism. Maybe if you just lose the heat shield from around that exhaust connector you can clear the shifter cables. Haven't seen the oil filter clash yet but with mine I was able to reuse the Oil Filter bracket off the old 3.8 engine which cleared the extension jack shaft. Do you have a passenger side extension shaft? There must be since the 1/2 Shafts are of equal length. The Oil Pressure Sender I went remote with, it's mounted up on top of the engine behind the blower. Just used the nylon tubing and fittings accessories that come with aftermarket Oil Pressure Guages. The Drivers' side tranny mount will obviously have to go, looks like the transmission end is jacked up pretty high. You might even have to cut a hole in the subframe and insert the same piece upside down to make a pocket to let the tranny settle down low enough. It's a nuisence not being to see your entire posting, maybe for us "Poor Folks" who live rural and are stuck with dial up you could insert just a few images at a time in a posting? _________________________ "Betsy Blue" One Owner? Over 1/2 way to 1/2 a million miles The only known 5-spd S/C Reatta on the Road. BCA 37147 and Member BCA (The Bluewater Cruising Association)
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#468657 - 12/02/07 11:28 AM Re: Series II L67/ 6 speed manual conversion [Re: F14CRAZY]
F14CRAZY F14CRAZY Long Time Member Registered: 10/28/04 Posts: 4849 Loc: Dimondale, MI	Now I realize that piece of steel was the flywheel cover...oooops -insert dramatic music here- This bolts up just fine _________________________ My name is Philip. '89 coupe '90 white coupe (brother's, being reconstructed)
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#468658 - 12/02/07 11:29 AM Re: Series II L67/ 6 speed manual conversion [Re: F14CRAZY]
F14CRAZY F14CRAZY Long Time Member Registered: 10/28/04 Posts: 4849 Loc: Dimondale, MI	The trans is resting on the cradle where the driver's side trans mount is supposed to be (notice the trans side is higher than the harmonic balancer side (I'm trying not to get anyone confused, I'm known to do that) The 4T60 does not extend out this far out; past where this mount bolts to the cradle. This is gonna take some fabrication. I dont think its extreme as it looks in this pic. I figure I can cut off the existing bracket that's welded to the cradle and come up with my own. I might actually have to get my buddy Mario (the welder) to help me with this one. This is the G6 bracket and mount. I'm gonna ask the G6 board for some photos. Obviously the 3900 and F40 mount differently...i suppose you could say their engine is "higher" and the cradle's "lower" Camera decided flash wasn't needed and these came out blurry, but for reference, this is the Reatta trans mount and bracket for that side. Do Bonneville's have anything similar? _________________________ My name is Philip. '89 coupe '90 white coupe (brother's, being reconstructed)
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#468661 - 12/02/07 11:32 AM Re: Series II L67/ 6 speed manual conversion [Re: F14CRAZY]
F14CRAZY F14CRAZY Long Time Member Registered: 10/28/04 Posts: 4849 Loc: Dimondale, MI	Out back, behind the engine. This is the G6 "jackshaft" to the passenger side wheel. Definitely gonna have to relocate the oil filter...I'll ask my contacts about this Gonna have to figure out mounting this jackshaft bearing too Couple more pix of the driver's side trans situation This G6 mount came with the parts I bought. It shouldn't be too hard to figure out how to attach it to the cradle _________________________ My name is Philip. '89 coupe '90 white coupe (brother's, being reconstructed)
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#468662 - 12/02/07 11:33 AM Re: Series II L67/ 6 speed manual conversion [Re: F14CRAZY]
F14CRAZY F14CRAZY Long Time Member Registered: 10/28/04 Posts: 4849 Loc: Dimondale, MI	Back in the car...I wanted to retake the photos of the shifter and how it fit in the console. I don't think I'll have any problems putting the rest of the console together Its mounted solidly. The washer stacks worked well. Drilled a few holes in the Reatta "console base" and some new steel plating (16 gauge, I believe. Whatever's really close to 1/8'') _________________________ My name is Philip. '89 coupe '90 white coupe (brother's, being reconstructed)
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