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#382078 - 10/13/06 09:15 PM
clones in the AACA
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nearchoclatetown
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I've been wondering about this for a while. Hemming's Muscle Car magazine has been following the story of a clone Hemi Cuda in New York. It was just settled in court that the sale was illegal because the seller did not advise the buyer the car was a clone. I'm not caring whether clones should be built or not, but by current rules this car or others could be shown in AACA. Race cars are documented, why not regular cars? Most cars have trim tags, most giving engine info, color, major options,etc. To put it in perspective for '37gothd. Suppose Model T's body style could be told by the serial number and you changed a homely sedan into a bitchen roadster. Should it be shown in AACA?
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#382080 - 10/13/06 09:58 PM
Re: clones in the AACA
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ted sweet
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the Hemi clone was not a "clone" but a car with a fake VIN tag changing the car to a Hemi Cuda.
Clones are already in the AACA, the 71 340 Challenger R/T convertible, that got a "senoir" at Hershey began life has a 318 not R/T convertible.
AACA judging does not verify VINs or the info on a "data tag"
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#382082 - 10/13/06 11:00 PM
Re: clones in the AACA
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sparky65
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I think a quick decode of vin tag and other tags on a car would be easy to do. I guess the problem will be that if someone takes the trouble to change a vin they will be willing to forge other documents. It could end up as a paperwork nightmare to actually prove your car is what it started life as.
Edited by sparky65 (10/13/06 11:01 PM)
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#382083 - 10/13/06 11:22 PM
Re: clones in the AACA
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MCHinson
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#382084 - 10/13/06 11:39 PM
Re: clones in the AACA
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1937hd45
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This is a Post WWII car problem IMO, too many options, "matching number" crap, my car is better that you car, got by "Build Sheet" BS. No comment except it makes the Model A Ford restorers look downright SANE! 
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#382086 - 10/14/06 10:21 AM
Re: clones in the AACA
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1937hd45
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Amen. This is a nightmare in many regards with no quick fix solutions for a club that allows vehicles from A to Z and cars that span 100 plus years of manufacturing. It is a concern, it is being discussed but it is nothing new in the hobby as even some brass cars are nothing more than clones.
In the Brass Car world I don't see any differance restoring a 1904 Oldsmobile that sat outside for 75 years and needs everything reproduced except the engine, and a guy building a 1904 Olds around an engine. However the same can't be said about a vehicle in the Race Car class 24A&B since the vehicles in that car must be proven to be the vehicles thay are.
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#382089 - 10/14/06 01:37 PM
Re: clones in the AACA
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nearchoclatetown
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MCHinson, I think you missed my point. '37 doesn't realise they built cars after 1942, my comment about the T was a joke. The clones I actually was referring to are late model 50's and up. One of my last trips to Carlisle there was a vendor with ALL the repro parts to turn a 2 door Tri-5 Chevy into a convertible. This would be OK to show in AACA? I have a problem with that. The fake Yencos and Thunderbolts, as well.The boat may have been missed but it didn't sink yet. The problem should be fixed before there's a load of fake Roush Mustangs on the field. AACA says "as built" but it doesn't really mean it.There are several AACA award winning cars that can't show in their own marque clubs because of modifacations, sunroofs, engines, etc. Why shouldn't the AACA standards be close to the same.
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#382090 - 10/14/06 01:39 PM
Re: clones in the AACA
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ex98thdrill
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Another good example is that it has been said that there are more '57 Chevys with fuel injection today than what was originally built in 1957.
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#382091 - 10/14/06 03:37 PM
Re: clones in the AACA
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1937hd45
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MCHinson, I think you missed my point. '37 doesn't realise they built cars after 1942,....There are several AACA award winning cars that can't show in their own marque clubs because of modifacations, sunroofs, engines, etc. Why shouldn't the AACA standards be close to the same.
Not true Doug! I've actually bought three of them new starting with a 1970 LeMans Convertable. If the late model clones are a problem then the late model guys will have to fix it. Late model guys would be clueless judgeing Stanley Steamers, and the Stanley guys wouldn't know much about the new stuff. As the flood gates open futher with new cars the club gets more and more less interested members in the judging system.
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#382092 - 10/14/06 04:09 PM
Re: clones in the AACA
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packards42
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Interesting topic, i got three 42 Packard, I want a 42 Rollstone, so if I build one, it for me not to compete, I think.
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.... but maybe that might be a bit of trouble. 
I think this would be opening up a can of worms that needs to stay shut. 
