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#366442 - 02/16/07 08:53 AM
They made a Liar out of Me!
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R W Burgess
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Registered: 06/13/02
Posts: 10063
Loc: Warsaw, Va.
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Just when you think things are going well, we have this to deal with;
From our main man, Tom Cox!
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Hello Everyone,
I am writing to ask that you please have as many people as possible contact ( call and E-mail ) Senator Martin Williams, Chairman of the Senate Transportation Committee to ask that he rescind his amendment to our bill that would leave the 250 mile limit on pleasure use driving.
All was well until late today when the Senate Transportation Committee decided to amend HB2465 to leave the 250 mile limit in the statute, after it had been removed as a result of hard won compromise in the House. This limitation is unenforceable and may actually make it more difficult to enforce the new statute, allowing parasitic use of our tag to go unpunished.
This is not the end of the world since you may still drive an unlimited number of miles to any club functions or shows. However, this limit on pleasure driving more than 250 miles from your home is needless. Especially given all the other changes that are being made to the statute to eliminate abuse. It is also unenforceable.
Very politely ask that the Senator pass HB2465 exactly as the House approved after long hours of negotiation without amendment. His contact info is below.
This cannot wait!!! Please do this now and pass it on.
Thanks,
Tom Cox
Senator Martin E. Williams
(R) - Senate District 1
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In-session address:
General Assembly Building, Room 332
Capitol Square
Richmond, Virginia 23219
(804) 698-7501
email: district01@sov.state.va.us
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#366443 - 02/20/07 05:07 PM
Getting close to an Agreement!
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R W Burgess
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Registered: 06/13/02
Posts: 10063
Loc: Warsaw, Va.
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It's not getting any better guys, but at least it's moving ahead!
Wayne
Hot off the presses today, February, 20,2007!
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HB 2465 Alert !!!
Hello All,
I thought before the rumor mill cranked up, I would let you know that HB2465 was amended two more times today by the Senate. In addition to restoring the 250 mile limit late last week, the Senate, at the request of Senator Marty Williams has again ignored us and amended the bill. His amendments today reduced the penalty for misuse to a class 4 misdemeanor (minor traffic violation), which is not really a huge problem for us. It does however put less fear in the hearts of those who would abuse the tags. In addition, he has removed the prohibition against commercial use, which is not really a good thing. Although, there is still specific language outlining the use parameters which prevents the carrying of anything other than passengers, their personal effects, and or other antique vehicles for show purposes. That coupled with the limited use language accomplishes the same goal though perhaps not as succinctly.
At the end of the day we should allow the House to accept these amendments and move on. Further beating this horse next year could prove more perilous, creating as yet unknown problems for us. No it isn't perfect, but I will take it after two years of wrangling. We still avoided annual State inspections, loss of our personal property tax exemption, and far worse possibilities. I have spoken with Delegates Marshall, Griffith, as well as Senator Bell, DMV, and Delegate Wardrups office and they concur. Let's let this rest for now.
Sincerely,
Tom Cox
President Southwest VA Car Council
Chairman Legislative Affairs AACA
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#366444 - 02/22/07 04:23 PM
Re: Getting close to an Agreement!
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rocketraider
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Registered: 12/05/01
Posts: 3106
Loc: the Last Capital of Dixie
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Wayne, you'll have to keep me posted thru this site as me magic box went terminal a couple weeks ago and at 8 years old I am really not inclined to spend any money on it. I can surf a little at work.
I sure hate our "own" improvements are being slowly gutted. The legislator probably thinks he's doing us a favor, but all that will happen is this will come up again in a few years- probably with worse returns.
I just hope Danny will shut up about it. I may not be entirely civil if he pushes it again. It's interesting that in the newsletters he puts in the local papers, he has not mentioned his efforts to gut a law that didn't need changing, just enforcing. Crows pretty loud about other stuff he does though. That "Earnhardt Day" bill he pushed thru grated on me.
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Glenn Williamson
Rocketraider
member AACA and all major Olds clubs
"That's a strange concept, Son" said my father as he sampled the day's run of silvery-clear moonshine for taste and quality. "Good 'shine, that. Your grandpap would be proud that the gift has passed on to another generation. But yes, it's real strange that some folks feel like a varmint has more right to illegally inhabit and destroy your property than you have to prevent it from doing it."
"Come to think of it, that's why your Uncle Reade sold off all them rental houses he had. It was costing him more to fix what the varmints tore up than he was making off 'em. And the govamint wouldn't let him evict them."
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#366446 - 02/26/07 06:15 PM
Re: virginia Law to restrict old cars to 50 miles from home?
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R W Burgess
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Registered: 06/13/02
Posts: 10063
Loc: Warsaw, Va.
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From Delegate Danny Marshall,
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2.27.07
Thanks to all of you for your work on the Antique tag bill for 2007. As you may know, the House passed 100% of the bill. When it went to Senate Transportation, they added back in the 250 miles, deleted the "commercial" part. I think we got 90% of what we wanted. Let me know if we want to go back in 2008 or 2009 and try and fix these problems. The Governor can make changes to the bill also. So we are not finished yet.
Danny Marshall
Wayne
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#366447 - 02/26/07 06:19 PM
Re: virginia Law to restrict old cars to 50 miles from home?
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R W Burgess
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Registered: 06/13/02
Posts: 10063
Loc: Warsaw, Va.
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An E-mail I sent to Delegate Marshall and his reply.
Delegate Marshall
Dear Sir,
May I just add that I would hope that DMV would correct the flawed registration form in use now. A change in this form would have prevented most of these abusers in the first place. A short list of the requirements to register an antique vehicle should be printed on the registration form, as it is for "logging trucks", as an example, with very precise descriptions of the law.
Thank you for working with us on this situation.
Wayne Burgess
Editor-Northern Neck Region AACA
Response from Delegate Marshall
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Robert, I think you are 100 % correct. We asked and DMV agreed that the first line of defense should be the people at the counters. DMV said they will train and retrain there people. Danny Marshall
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#366448 - 02/27/07 07:02 AM
Re: virginia Law to restrict old cars to 50 miles from home?
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rocketraider
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Registered: 12/05/01
Posts: 3106
Loc: the Last Capital of Dixie
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Hmmm. Why couldn't he have taken that tack to begin with? I'm beginning to understand why the word "disingenuous" has been used to describe him.
Wayne, you have private email from me.
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Glenn Williamson
Rocketraider
member AACA and all major Olds clubs
"That's a strange concept, Son" said my father as he sampled the day's run of silvery-clear moonshine for taste and quality. "Good 'shine, that. Your grandpap would be proud that the gift has passed on to another generation. But yes, it's real strange that some folks feel like a varmint has more right to illegally inhabit and destroy your property than you have to prevent it from doing it."
"Come to think of it, that's why your Uncle Reade sold off all them rental houses he had. It was costing him more to fix what the varmints tore up than he was making off 'em. And the govamint wouldn't let him evict them."
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#366451 - 02/27/07 10:02 AM
Re: virginia Law to restrict old cars to 50 miles from home?
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rocketraider
Long Time Member
Registered: 12/05/01
Posts: 3106
Loc: the Last Capital of Dixie
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http://www.wbtm1330.com/1news.htm
Here's what I sent you. Looks like Mr. Marshall may have a challenger next election. Adam Tomer is young and sharp with good ideas, and owns a 66 Mustang. Not crazy about his Democratic ties, but he'll get my vote if he runs, and probably some time and money.
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Glenn Williamson
Rocketraider
member AACA and all major Olds clubs
"That's a strange concept, Son" said my father as he sampled the day's run of silvery-clear moonshine for taste and quality. "Good 'shine, that. Your grandpap would be proud that the gift has passed on to another generation. But yes, it's real strange that some folks feel like a varmint has more right to illegally inhabit and destroy your property than you have to prevent it from doing it."
"Come to think of it, that's why your Uncle Reade sold off all them rental houses he had. It was costing him more to fix what the varmints tore up than he was making off 'em. And the govamint wouldn't let him evict them."
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#366452 - 02/27/07 10:30 AM
Re: virginia Law to restrict old cars to 50 miles from home?
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rocketraider
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Registered: 12/05/01
Posts: 3106
Loc: the Last Capital of Dixie
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So now with a restriction on the miles you can be from home, now what happens when you trailler your model t down to Hershey and drive it around there during the show, are you breaking the law?? will you get tickets from Pa. police for invalid plates??
Not sure if VA will set up a reciprocal agreement with other states on this, but it would have to be proven the car was DRIVEN farther to its destination than whatever the limit ends up being vs. trailered to its destination, then unloaded and driven. The statute has always allowed the car to be driven on parades, tours and like old car activities, and I would think Hershey would qualify. The mileage restriction was for sheer pleasure driving- a Sunday tour on the Blue Ridge Parkway for example.
The whole thing was a non-issue that should have been controlled at the DMV counter. If DMV had done its job instead of being so damn lenient about what the antique/YOM plates were issued to, we'd never have had to deal with this.
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Glenn Williamson
Rocketraider
member AACA and all major Olds clubs
"That's a strange concept, Son" said my father as he sampled the day's run of silvery-clear moonshine for taste and quality. "Good 'shine, that. Your grandpap would be proud that the gift has passed on to another generation. But yes, it's real strange that some folks feel like a varmint has more right to illegally inhabit and destroy your property than you have to prevent it from doing it."
"Come to think of it, that's why your Uncle Reade sold off all them rental houses he had. It was costing him more to fix what the varmints tore up than he was making off 'em. And the govamint wouldn't let him evict them."
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#366453 - 02/27/07 12:39 PM
Re: virginia Law to restrict old cars to 50 miles from home?
[Re: rocketraider]
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R W Burgess
Long Time Member
Registered: 06/13/02
Posts: 10063
Loc: Warsaw, Va.
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Albert, Glenn is right about shows/events being exempt from the restriction. As far as out of state, I'd think you'd never have to worry about this. This new law is for Virginia vehicles in "Virginia"! The other 48 states have enough trouble keeping up with their own laws to have to worry about what Virginia has going on.
Personally, I've gotten away with "murder" in my old cars throughout the years. Things that may have put me in jail with regular personal vehicles.  
Old age and a little wisdom does a lot for the heavy use of the "right foot"! 
Wayne
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#366455 - 03/04/07 06:15 PM
Re: virginia Law to restrict old cars to 50 miles from home?
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scott12180
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Registered: 11/09/04
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Reading through this thread, I have to wonder if the problem is only the use of antique
tags on an antique car. Here in New York I've never registered an antique using antique tags.
Just too many potential problems. Both my 1926 and 1932 Packards (and other pre-1930 cars I've owned)
are registered using normal passenger tags. I can use my cars however I want, except for
insurance restrictions. And if I get regular car insurance (liability only) I can drive my
antiques anywhere, any time for any purpose.
Do you have this option in Virginia and other states?
-Scott
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). I went thru a license and DUI check in Reidsville and that young Rockingham County deputy was bound and determined to write me up for no state inspection and failure to display valid license plates (a YOM plate can be displayed in NC but a regular issue plate has to be kept in the car, unlike VA where the YOM is registered to the car and owner). Finally a senior officer told him to drop it since it was a Virginia YOM plate and they didn't know what the VA laws were concerning those, and he didn't want to go thru a lot of BS in court over it.
