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#532526 - 08/21/08 10:29 AM
Re: Where the heck is everybody?
[Re: Restorer32]
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Yep, you are right, 70% or better. I was wrong. Still not sure I would risk using it under expensive sealers and primers. DX330 isn't that expensive. Personally I wouldn't risk $300 in sealer and primer to save $10, not to mention the labor to redo everything. Learned that lesson the hard way long ago. Use the minimun # of products reccommended by the paint supplier from the bare metal out. Don't mix brands, find a brand you like and use their products exclusively. Recoat times are critical as is shelf life of products, especially hardeners and catalysts. Very, very good advice, this. Pick one brand and family of product in that brand and use that only.
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#532800 - 08/22/08 01:00 PM
Re: Where the heck is everybody?
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When I was involved in my auto-body class, we did a show truck for a magazine. We took all the old paint off with a D/A, and then scuffed the entire truck with 100 grit on a D/A. Pulled out all the dents. Degreased, then Evercoat Rage filler directly on the bare metal. Once all the panels were flat and level, we then wipe the truck down again with degreaser, and the sprayed Valspar DTM primer. Blocked it, used light weight filler where required, primer again, and and round of blocking. Repeat, spot priming where needed. Once everything was prefectly blocked, then you can over-reduce the Valspar, and it makes it's own sealer. The it was ready for base coat. Our teacher was Jerry Seivers, who runs a pretty well know shop in So Calif called "Paint 'n Place". We has been featured on a couple episodes of Overhauling (He did the bodywork and paint on John Force's School Bus project), and he also does many of the NHRA cars here in So Calif. He was also one of the early adopters of Water Based/Water Bourne painting. Which is now required in So Cal start Jan 1, 2009 for Base/Clear painting. He swears by the Valspar DTM as he has never had any issues with it in all the years he has used it. Also because it doesnt require an "Etch" and makes it's own sealer, it ends up being less expensive then some of the other brands. Now we sprayed the entire truck using SATAs, so not sure if that helped also! 
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#532805 - 08/22/08 01:32 PM
Re: Where the heck is everybody?
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Kev, DTM is an Epoxy primer, correct? I think I remember someone mentioning DTM-2000 epoxy?
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#532813 - 08/22/08 02:23 PM
Re: Where the heck is everybody?
[Re: Speedster]
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DTM stands for "Direct to Metal". It other words it does not require an etching agent like PCL primer does.
From the Valspar website:
DTM 2000 Series DTM 2000 Series-Direct To Metal 2K Primers were formulated with a hybrid of epoxy and acrylic polymers, which provide excellent adhesion, good corrosion resistance, productive dry times, and ease of sanding. These primers emit very low amounts of Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs), Hazardous Air Polluting Solvents (HAPS), and contain no isocyanates. DTM 2001 White DTM 2004 Medium Gray DTM 2008 Black DTM A Activator 171174 Urethane Reducers X01 Fast Exempt Reducer Mix four (4) parts DTM 2000 Series Primer to one (1) part DTM A Activator and reduce with one (1) part reducer for sealing. (4:1:1) For 2.1 VOC Compliance: Use X01 Reducer for 2.1 VOC compliance or Urethane Reducers. When used as a filler, lower amounts of reducer are required.
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#532824 - 08/22/08 03:10 PM
Re: Where the heck is everybody?
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Okay, So it's a mix of epoxy and acrylic, which is a different animal than the 1 to 1 mix of regular epoxy. Which sounds like a good idea, but I'm wondering if it can be better than regular epoxy, which is Great? (and direct to metal also) I do like the availability of white color, which Kirker brand epoxy, that I use, doesn't have. (only gray and black)
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#532846 - 08/22/08 06:19 PM
Re: Where the heck is everybody?
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I can tell your one thing, that primer lays down nice, and is a joy to sand, and I HATE sanding.
I have found that the straight epoxy primers can be a PITA to sand, or they clog the paper quickly.
Transtar makes a DTM one also that is about $50 cheaper, and works just about the same.
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#533245 - 08/25/08 11:03 AM
Re: Where the heck is everybody?
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Several years ago there were some of those lamps being sold on eBay. Evidently Many of them were made. Some had 3 orniments arranged vertically (4 total) instead of 3 total, like that one. Sure were a lot of good orniments distroyed that way.  LOL  They were a Great Art-deco design, and using them is a comliment to the design, to be recycled that way. They may have been factory-rejects or something. (Hopefully) 
Edited by Speedster (08/25/08 11:35 AM)
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#533267 - 08/25/08 12:35 PM
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#533282 - 08/25/08 01:11 PM
Re: Where the heck is everybody?
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Sandblasting bare armed, must be a tough guy. I'm impressed!
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#533721 - 08/27/08 11:34 AM
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Big Kev - Please relieve my ignorance. You mentioned cleaning metal with a "D/A". What is that?
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#533727 - 08/27/08 11:52 AM
Re: Where the heck is everybody?
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I used to wear one of those Tyvek Zoot-suits when sandblasting like that.
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