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#477133 - 01/06/08 03:34 PM Re: The series one swap [Re: DAVES89]
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Thanks for the compliments.
I am retired, so my part time job keeps me in spending money, so I can stay ahead of the Reatta. I seem to always have a project in the works with that thing. My latest project is an electronic boost control. I'm in the middle of installing it now. I have told several others on the net about this project, but they don't seem interested, so I'm just building it for myself
But I've always loved to work on cars.
Years ago I worked for Chevy Corvette's for a dealer, and have raced a few cars in my time.

My wife calls me a redneck; "You might be a redneck if you work on your car when there's nothing wrong with it."
Jon...
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#477215 - 01/06/08 08:15 PM Re: The series one swap [Re: 63viking]
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Yeah I've got to give it to you Jon, your work looks great. I wish I could polish the aluminum valve covers and s/c housing but I drive my coupe in any weather except in salty conditions (and might have to) so it would seem like my efforts would quickly go to heck.
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#477223 - 01/06/08 08:25 PM Re: The series one swap [Re: F14CRAZY]
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Those look like they have been powdercoated Phil. No maintenance! cool
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#477224 - 01/06/08 08:25 PM Re: The series one swap [Re: F14CRAZY]
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Phil: Just coat them with Hi-Temp clear paint and you can wash them off with a hose.
Jon.
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#478798 - 01/13/08 10:15 PM Re: The series one swap [Re: Richard S]
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please tell us the series one is aline with the engine mout (bottom) of the reatta if not how did it work?. o and i envy ur reatta im sorry, it looks and souds like u have tons and tons of fun every single time u get in ur car.:)

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#478818 - 01/13/08 11:29 PM Re: The series one swap [Re: reattamania]
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Loc: Olympia WA
All the mounts line up just the same as with the NA 3800. For the lower front mount you must use the Reatta's AC mount.
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#478820 - 01/13/08 11:44 PM Re: The series one swap [Re: D-a-n-i-e-l]
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Jon,
I was looking at the pictures you posted and noticed that you still have the by-pass vaccuum solenoid hook in? I was told to cap the solenoid off, and it did make a huge improvement in power. Unless you have it on a switch. I am just curious.
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#478883 - 01/14/08 10:31 AM Re: The series one swap [Re: D-a-n-i-e-l]
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Even if you put a switch on the by-pass vacuum. The main vacuum line will pull the by-pass rod and if you remove the rod the butterfly is free to do what ever it wants.
What I did was put the same solenoid in the main vacuum line. That makes all the difference. When the switch is off the by-pass works like normal, when it is turned on the boost is there all the time.
Jon..
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#478891 - 01/14/08 11:16 AM Re: The series one swap [Re: 63viking]
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Jon,
Could you, if you do not mind, block off both ends of the vaccuum feeding the soleniod and let me know if it makes a diffrence in yor cars performance?
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#478897 - 01/14/08 11:37 AM Re: The series one swap [Re: D-a-n-i-e-l]
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I have done that.
The hose that comes from the top side of the supercharger is the boost line. The other line comes from the throttle body supplies the vacuum. If you control the vacuum into the control diaphragm you control the boost. The boost line cannot move the arm by itself it needs the vacuum to do that.
Jon..
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#486372 - 02/10/08 10:56 PM Re: The series one swap [Re: 63viking]
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I was referred over here by one of your regulars. When I originally swapped my 88 Trofeo I chose a Series1 supercharged. It was then swapped to a Series 2. The Trofeo and your Reattas are build on very similar platforms, so most of this should apply to you.

Originally Posted By: D-a-n-i-e-l

The steel power steering hose must be modified. I did this by cutting the hose just below wear it screws into the power steering pump. Use a tube cutter to cut the tubing. Clean out the burrs and use a piece of 5/16” trany hose and hose clamps to reroute the hose to just under the passenger side of the engine compartment to were the hose originally ran. (this is for the power steering cooler)


I used the stock power steering line with just a little tweaking. No cuts or rubber required. I'd recommend avoiding this as it can lead to leaks in the future due to significant hydraulic pressures used by a power steering system. If you do go the rubber hose route, at least make sure you add a barb to the line to help retain the hose.

Originally Posted By: D-a-n-i-e-l

Heater hoses must be modified. This can be done by using four heater hose elbows (found in the Help parts section) or you may use a straight hose connector and Goodyear hose springs (they allow you to bend a hose how you like and not have to worry about collapsing the houses). I prefer the second option.


I used 95 Bonneville molded heater hoses.

Originally Posted By: D-a-n-i-e-l

Throttle linkage and down shift cable bracket from the Reatta must be used (the SC model had an electronic trany so there is no spot for the down shift cable).
The Reatta downshift cable attachment from the throttle body must be used (just one bolt)


A 92 (and maybe 93) throttle cable bracket has provisions for all 3 cables.

Originally Posted By: D-a-n-i-e-l

The Reatta injector wire harness may and should be used, but it must be extended a couple inches to reach up and over the supercharger.


The injector harness from the supercharged engine could also be used if it comes with the engine. I just repinned it to the Trofeo's plug.

Originally Posted By: D-a-n-i-e-l

The Reatta fuel pump must be swapped with one out of a 93’ S-10 Blazer with Vin W (mean Vortec engine) Partsamarica part # P74074


For this, I used a GM 25163468, which is the stock pump. No fuel supply issues with the Series 1 or Series 2. Both had overdriven superchargers.

Originally Posted By: D-a-n-i-e-l
Connecting the fuel rails to the existing fuel lines may be one of the most adventurous parts of this swap. The reason I say this is that I have seen a couple different rail assemblies. The rail assembly I used is from the Park Avenue Ultra. Using this rail I switched to a fuel filter out of a 95’ S-10 Blazer, and found a plastic fuel line out of a gm car that was roughly the length I needed. This mans I did not have to splice the supply line (less likely to fail). I did splice the return line to a from the metal Reatta return line to a plastic line from the Park Avenue Ultra (I figured there is not ass much pressure todeal with for the return path).


The lines can be done many ways. I built formed flexible plastic line like these engines had stock. I swapped to a fuel filter that matched the Trofeo's supply line, the outlet connected to standard quick-connect fittings. I can get the number for this filter if anyone needs it.

For the return line, near the fuel filter is a union. The line to the engine was removed and again a formed flexible plastic line was created.

Another method would be to retain the car's stock metal line until closer to the engine, then add a barb to each line and connect to a metal QD fitting with rubber fuel injection hose and clamps. This would not be as stock appearing as using the plastic line.

Originally Posted By: D-a-n-i-e-l
I suggest using the Series one engine because many of the components are directly compatible with our systems. If the series two engine will be used you will be looking to modify a lot of wiring, and a few other issues. You would get more power out of the series two, but this also means more likely to blow your trany. Also power is no good if you can not put it to the ground. The series one gave me just what I was looking for, a little kick when passing on the freeway.


The S1 engine is a far easier swap mechanically. It is also a more stock-appearing engine in these cars. The S2 doesn't look stock.

Many have attemtped this swap, some try using the supercharged car's ECM/PCM. I highly recommend using your existing ECM, due to the data stream interface. These cars use the GM-30 protocol, which is unique to cars of this era. You're opening a big can of worms trying to get this data stream copied into a newer PCM.

There are several key changes that need to be done to the operating code as well as substantial calibration changes. To accurately design a program for these cars, you will need to start with properly modified code then spend significant time on a load dynamometer to adjust the calibration.

Scott Pearson
88 Trofeo Supercharged
www.theautoshop.net/SuperchargedTrofeo.htm

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#486400 - 02/11/08 06:03 AM Re: The series one swap [Re: TrofeoSC]
D-a-n-i-e-l Offline
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Scott,

Great post, wish you would have been around when I did my swap. I do have a couple technical questions for you but will get to those off line.
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#486797 - 02/12/08 03:01 PM Re: The series one swap [Re: D-a-n-i-e-l]
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Daniel and Scott.........

Please don't take this discussion off of this forum. This topic is very popular, and definately hasn't been worn out. So, it's great stuff, how about sharing? cool
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#532504 - 08/21/08 08:45 AM Re: The series one swap [Re: DAVES89]
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Does anybody have a phone number for Ryan @ SinersterPerformance?

Thanks
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#532505 - 08/21/08 08:49 AM Re: The series one swap [Re: DAVES89]
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Does anybody have a phone number for Ryan @ SinersterPerformance?

Thanks
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#532511 - 08/21/08 09:21 AM Re: The series one swap [Re: Bill_Boro]
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I asked Ryan for hs number and he was very evasive and did not give it to me....I still would like to have him re program my mem cal, but have no idea how to fill out his 283,482 page waiver form (the reason for wanting to speak to him)he emailed me to return to him before he did any work. So I guess I will have to live with the stock mem cal frown.
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#532555 - 08/21/08 01:10 PM Re: The series one swap [Re: nic walker]
D-a-n-i-e-l Offline
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I have never called him. Everything I have done with him is by E-mail. He believes that if he was to spend all the time on the phone he would not be able to get all his work done.

Also I will not take this off the forum. I am going to fix a couple things on my install and post them again, but it is going to take me a bit of time
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