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#532329 - 08/20/08 02:23 PM Time to get the "Continental" in the water.
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I bought the 1956 18" Chris Craft "Continental" about 5 years ago to use as a prop (no pun intended) to show with our 1956 18' Continental Mark II convertible.



This is the page from the Chris Craft ID manual. While there were quite a few of these produced, very few remain as most became one with the earth when left outside or in the water.



Since I have no pictures of this boat in the water this will have to do. I took this at the Keels and Wheels Concours in Houston, TX in 2004. The only difference I could see was the interior color and the split seat, mine has a bench seat. My boat has the very rare black interior, using the same alligator vinyl found on all the dashboards.

A black interior in a boat? Once you learn that the boat was located in northern Canada you can understand that the added heat was welcome.

I was told that this boat was purchased new by a doctor from New York. and that the boat was taken out of the water every time it was used. There is strong evidence of this as the bilge is fairly pristine, unlike boats that are stored in the water.



The original motor seized and was replaced with a Crusader V-6. It easily adapted to the boat. The only visual change is that they made the motor housing 3" taller to accept the new engine. When the motor swap was done the boat was converted from 6-volts to 12-volts.



The first thing I did was remove the 20-gallon gas tank. Getting a whiff of the fuel convinced me that the entire system needed to be purged. This would require removing the floor boards to get to the fuel lines and remove the tank.



What came out was really nasty-looking varnish-like material that had a particularly funky smell to it. The color of the fuel was very telling.



After removing the floor boards I was able to remove the fuel lines and assess the condition of the whole bilge. I was amazed at how clean it was.



I hadn't planned on removing the motor but I'd like to get to the bilge area below the engine cleaned up and repainted. It only takes the removal of eight bolts and some wiring to get it out.

I was pretty impressed with the copper exhaust system. I'm not sure if this is original or not.



These are the original flags that came with the boat. They aren't perfect but they are authentic.



More later.

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#532344 - 08/20/08 03:26 PM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: Barry Wolk]
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More beautiful hardware, Barry!

On those copper exhaust pipes, what's with the rubber no-hub connectors? I'd think that the exhaust would be the last place one would want rubber connectors. I suppose you need some flexibility because of the nature of a boat, but are they the proper solution? How hot does the exhaust get? Are those large round pods on the exhaust manifolds coolers of some kind or are they the actual mufflers?

I know zero about boats, but I have always admired the Chris Crafts.
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#532345 - 08/20/08 03:27 PM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: Barry Wolk]
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#532349 - 08/20/08 03:41 PM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: Matt Harwood]
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Originally Posted By: Matt Harwood
How hot does the exhaust get? Are those large round pods on the exhaust manifolds coolers of some kind or are they the actual mufflers?

I also don't know much about boats, but I just spent a week pulling my boys around the lake in a 20-year-old Thompson. I noticed that the temperature seemed to be stable at around 140 degrees.
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#532350 - 08/20/08 03:44 PM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: West Peterson]
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Barry
If you could find a Packard marine engine, L-head straight six or eight, would you be interested?
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#532353 - 08/20/08 03:59 PM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: Matt Harwood]
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Matt, the pods are for the water cooling for the exhaust. They don't get hot enough to melt rubber. I know nothing about boats either, but I'd like that rubber hose in the bottom to be easily accessable. They've been known to split. Amazing how much outside water can come in and how fast!!????? confused eek whistle

Barry, there's two of those Chris Crafts in my part of the state for sale as of this past winter.

Wayne

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#532370 - 08/20/08 05:25 PM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: Matt Harwood]
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Thanks Matt. It was quite a find.

West, I don't know. Wouldn't they be a bit larger than a V-6?

I'm led to believe that some had Corvette 283 engines. Love to find a marine version of that.

The exhaust manifolds are cooled directly by lake water. I believe the rubber collars serve a couple of functions. They would allow for a degree of expansion and contraction and they would absorb vibration and torque, which could lead to a cracked pipe below the water line.

No need for mufflers as the pipe vents below the waterline.

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#532375 - 08/20/08 05:35 PM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: Barry Wolk]
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Barry, are you sure the exhausts exit below the waterline? That is not normal, and if the copper springs a leak, is a good way to sink the boat. If you look at the photo of Deja Vu you can clearly see the exhaust is above the waterline.

Rubber hose is the norm today for inboard exhaust systems. The cooling water is mixed with the exhaust at the manifolds and keeps the hoses cool. Older boats did indeed have copper exhausts, but most rotted away (especially in salt water where I live) and have been replaced with rubber hose and fiberglass joints. Mufflers are also made of fiberglass.

I had a 1968 Chris Craft Sea Skiff that had the original Cris Craft engine. It was a Chevy 283.

When I was a marine mechanic, I had an exhaust riser clog, causing no water to flow though the exhaust, the hose then did melt and blow apart. It happened quite quickly and probably prevented the engine from overheating. Luckily, it was a twin-screw boat, and I was able to get back on the remaining engine.
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#532376 - 08/20/08 05:50 PM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: Barry Wolk]
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Barry, a friend of mine still machines rough castings for a company that sells Chevy wet manifolds if you're ever interested.

Wayne

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#532382 - 08/20/08 06:13 PM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: Barry Wolk]
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Originally Posted By: Barry Wolk
West, I don't know. Wouldn't they be a bit larger than a V-6?

I don't think they're wider, but they're definitely a little longer. Looks like you've got plenty of room to fit a longer engine in there.
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#532402 - 08/20/08 07:07 PM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: West Peterson]
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Wayne, that's tempting.

West, that's tempting.

Steve, see the white stripe running through the center of the exhaust? That's the waterline for a boat with fuel and passengers. Underway, the exhaust is below water.

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#532485 - 08/21/08 03:16 AM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: Barry Wolk]
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Wonderful! You must rename it though, name it like the Continental Mark something or Connie or something to do with the continentals! I love your Mark II! I wish I had 1!
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#532502 - 08/21/08 08:36 AM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: 1948Lincoln]
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Great boat Barry! I have always loved wooden boats. There's a local wooden boat group here which brings some of their beauties to our regional Cadillac meet each year, and it's always a joy to see them.
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#533788 - 08/27/08 04:05 PM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: AntarcticDave]
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Regardless of the power source the next step was to pull the engine. This took about 10 minutes. 4 lag bolts a couple of hoses and some wiring to disconnect and it was outta' there.



Only one slight problem. I used short chains because the boat sits up so high. I gave little thought to the fact that I wouldn't be able to lower the engine to the floor with that set-up. D'oh!



Without the engine I have full access to the inside of the hull.



Started cleaning and was amazed to find that there is absolutely no rot, whatsoever! What remained in the bilge was 52 years worth of dust that had gotten wet and caked up at the very bottom of the bilge. I started vacuuming and using a brass brush on the dirt and found that it easily came off revealing that 99.9% of the original hull primer was still intact.



IMO, the stock exhaust system is a work of art.



After viewing the videos at http://edison-marine.com I've decided to convert the boat to electric drive. Since the Crusader V-6 engine is not original I have nothing to lose.

The advantages are obvious to me. Enormous torque for a short period or cruising speed all day long. I think the fish in the lake will appreciate an electric drive, too.

By all outward appearances the boat will look the same as it did when new. I'll even be able to use the original controls. The F/R lever would control a reversing switch and the throttle would control the speed control. The charging cord would plug in under the original gas cap and the batteries would take the place of the gas tank.

Since the electric drive is much lighter than the original engine I can add batteries to increase range. I can fit 10 batteries in the back and about 10 more in the bilge. I can exactly match the weight distribution and end up with a lighter overall package.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

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#533964 - 08/28/08 09:20 AM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: Barry Wolk]
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Electric? Wow. I dig the idea, but I sure like the sound of an exhaust burbling through the open pipes underwater. That was the dichotmy of the Chris Crafts I liked best--they look like mild cruisers but walk and talk like musclecars.

Even though it is possible to run out of gas out on the open seas, you can usually see it coming with a gauge. And someone can always give you some spare gas if you're stranded. I think electric would be problematic from that standpoint--it's harder to figure how much you get from a charge becuse of the varying demands placed on the motor. Depending on the control system, you might be able to see it getting low, but is it enough to get home? Nobody can loan you a few extra amps if you're stranded.

Also, you'd have to get rid of that beautiful exhaust system! Maybe I'd find a vintage straight-8 of some sort and stick it in there. A 263 Buick would be a strong runner.

Either way, I'm sure you'll enjoy it!
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#534712 - 09/01/08 11:30 AM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: Matt Harwood]
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Barry ... if your still considering doing an electric conversion on your boat ... you may want to check out an EV site dealing with electric conversions ... most are ones that the owners have done themselves ... for cars, trucks, boats ect ...
Many do it yourself conversions at a fraction of the price ...

http://www.evalbum.com/type/BOAT

Theres about a dozen different conversions ... with varying sizes and components ... but especially a large wooden boat that was converted here ... "1928 Blanchard 36 Cruiser"

http://www.evalbum.com/820

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#534753 - 09/01/08 02:05 PM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: DavidP]
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Thanks DavidP. Just to get my ducks in a row I'm still exploring the potential of putting a period correct 283 Chevy marine engine back in it.

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#535462 - 09/04/08 09:42 AM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: Barry Wolk]
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Barry, I noticed in your picture of the fuel tank that you have an automatic bailer. (the "u"shaped tube on the starboard side next to the tank.)

They work fine in keeping the bilge dry, the only problem they have is that ocasionly they may sink you fine boat if the little small anti-siphone hole on the top gets plugged up with a verrrry small piece of flakeing paint or a broken leaf.

I removed mine and installed an electric pump, that if plugged up, only will drain the battery. (and then sink)

(As you can derive from what I write, I have owned many boats and have noticed the tendency for all of them to want to sink!)

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#535465 - 09/04/08 10:01 AM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: Roger Walling]
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If I understand correctly, the "automatic" bailer only works while underway. A bilge pump was installed when the engine was swapped and upgraded to 12-volt.

I've contacted the Mariner's Museum to obtain the original build sheet for this boat. There's a bit of a mystery to solve before I make a decision.

The boat came with what appears to be an original dual exhaust made of copper. That would lead one to believe that it originally had a V-8 engine, which would have been a marine 283 Chevy. However, Chris Craft didn't offer a V-8, only IL 6s up until the introduction of the '58 model. The title says it's a '56.

Now, the records reflect that only 280 18' "Continentals" were made before the model change in '59. The serial number of my boat ends with #270, which would put it very near the end of production, which means it could have had a V-8, and, it's not a '56.

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#535467 - 09/04/08 10:15 AM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: Barry Wolk]
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Barry
Is this boat nonsense getting in the way of work on the limo?
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#535471 - 09/04/08 10:35 AM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: West Peterson]
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West, R;Your question
"Barry, Is this boat nonsense getting in the way of work on the limo?"

There is no way better to get rid of your excess money than to throw it into the hole in the water that your boat occupies.

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#535477 - 09/04/08 10:51 AM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: West Peterson]
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Originally Posted By: West Peterson
Barry
Is this boat nonsense getting in the way of work on the limo?


Yes. I'm still searching for a '68 or '69 Lincoln Coupe donor car for a roof, dashboard and door skins.

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#535812 - 09/05/08 06:50 PM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: Barry Wolk]
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A new decision to make. I contacted the Mariner's Museum to obtain the "hull card". They have all the CC records.

The records show that the boat was originally equipped with a Chris Craft "KFL" 131-horsepower in-line 6-cylinder, not the 283 Chevy V-8 I thought it originally had. That changes things.

Now I have four choices:

1. Reinstall the Crusader Model 165 V-6 for a 34 hp increase over the original engine. Least amount of work and least expensive option.

2. Install a period-correct 283 Chevy, 185 hp V8 for a 54 horsepower increase. Sweet V8-burble and was legitimately installed in the exact same boat 2 years later.

3. Go electric. Peak 200 horsepower for 1 hour or cruise all day at 8-10 knots. Silent operation. No pollution, if you discount what it took to make the electricity. Good for someone with a short attention span, like me. Probably the most expensive option.

4. Find, rebuild, restore and install an original KFL engine. I might find someone willing to trade the low-hour Crusader engine for a re-buildable KFL. This too, could be an expensive option, however, I have found two rebuilt motors for around $5,000 ea.

This option would probably increase the value of the boat but, more importantly, would kind of restore its soul, so to speak. That has some value to me.

Except for the lower horsepower, I'm having trouble seeing a downside to taking it back to its original configuration.


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#536142 - 09/07/08 06:09 PM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: Barry Wolk]
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Looking for a KFL engine.

I decided to power wash the inside of the hull, and I'm glad I did. Not only did it allow me to blast off all the loose primer it taught me why most wood boats fail over time.

If you look closely at the keel plank you'll see that there are little triangles cut into all the cross-braces next to the plank. These are passageways that are supposed to allow water to flow to the lowest part of the bilge, where the drain is. These boats didn't have bilge pumps. They had Automatic Bilge Siphons. They only worked while underway utilizing negative pressure at a hole in the bottom of the boat. Bilge water would be drawn up through a tube and pulled out of the boat.

All of the drain holes were plugged so water would be trapped in-between the cross-braces until it evaporated or leaked out through the gaps in the planks.

From what I've learned you never want to put a wood boat in the water unless you have a surefire method of keeping it from sinking. Don't depend on the battery keeping up with a night's seepage. They recommended taking it off the trailer and using it, not letting it sit. Water will come in until the boards swell and the ABS will take it away. The more you use it the tighter the boards get but it will always take on water.

It's not as pristine after water-blasting off all of the loose primer and accumulated dirt. There was a lot of dirt is the board gaps and all of the drainage passages were plugged. Found one construction mistake that impeded drainage but easily corrected it.



Removed the rudder assembly. There were signs that water had seeped up through the rudder support bolts but there was no rotted wood. Had a tough time removing the rudder bushing from the hull. The original sealant didn't want to let go. I think I may leave the prop shaft support in place if the sealant' still good.



I found these pictures. They were taken 6 years ago, the last time it was in the water.





Moved the hull from the storage building to my shop.


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#536259 - 09/08/08 09:27 AM Re: Time to get the "Continental" in the water. [Re: Barry Wolk]
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Barry. I had a Century and every year when I removed it from the water, I sprayed the inside of the hull with detergent and then pressure washed it.

In the spring when the wood was dry, I sprayed the insides with wood preservative, thoroughly soaking the wood.

After it soaked in real good and dried, I filled the boat with 6" of water and let it swell up weeks before putting it in the water.

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