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#532299 - 08/20/08 12:37 PM
Types of Paint for Antiques or Classics
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What type of paint do you think should be used on original restorations of 1920's era automobiles?
Nitrocellulose lacquer, enamel, base coat/clear coat?
Would the use of any one of these versus another add or detract points in judges opinions?
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#532321 - 08/20/08 02:06 PM
Re: Types of Paint for Antiques or Classics
[Re: groscap]
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Lacquer looks great and is probably "correct". It's easy to work with and fix problems. Down side it's brittle, chips easily and crazes over time. Catalized enamel closely mimics lacquer when sanded and buffed. Same comments as lacquer except it doesn't craze like lacquer. Base/clear looks fantastic but also out of place on a vintage automobile. Easy to work with, hard to repair. I'm not a judge but my understanding is "type" of paint is not judged. Color and quality of finish is judged. All the above is only my opinion and therefore open to correction and argument.........Bob
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Bob Beck 39 Chev PU 69 big block Corvette 55 Buick 66C 57 Buick 46C 55 Olds S-88 56 Chrysler St. Regis AACA, BCA, WPC, USHGA
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#532411 - 08/20/08 07:33 PM
Re: Types of Paint for Antiques or Classics
[Re: Bhigdog]
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I'm not a judge but my understanding is "type" of paint is not judged. Color and quality of finish is judged.
I guess I was referring to what "looks right". As you stated, base/clear coat doesn't look right on these older cars. I usually work with acrylic enamels, but I always seem to get a slight orange peel type of look that seems to be the norm for newer production cars. Most people don't seem to notice it, but I always see it! I would like to get a perfectly smooth deep finish. I haven't sprayed any lacquer for about 20 years. I've seen Bill Hirsch's nitrocelulose lacquer advertised and was thinking about trying some. Anyone used it before?
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#532436 - 08/20/08 09:09 PM
Re: Types of Paint for Antiques or Classics
[Re: groscap]
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Acrylic enamels, such as Dupont Centari, with hardener added look like lacquer. Like lacquer they're hard enough to be buffed to a glass like shine. A slight orange peel and small amounts of dirt are really not a problem. Put on enough paint, I usually shoot 4 wet coats, and there is enough thickness to stand a color coat sanding ending with 1500 grit or finer paper. That will take out any slight dryness or dirt nibs. Then buff. The process is the same if you use lacquer........Bob
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Bob Beck 39 Chev PU 69 big block Corvette 55 Buick 66C 57 Buick 46C 55 Olds S-88 56 Chrysler St. Regis AACA, BCA, WPC, USHGA
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#532537 - 08/21/08 11:53 AM
Re: Types of Paint for Antiques or Classics
[Re: Bhigdog]
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The problem I see is that many cars today are over restored and do not have the original look that the car did when manufactured. I have a picture of an assembly line for the Durant car company in 1923. It shows them painting the bodies of cars with black paint coming from what looks like a garden hose. I'm sure that paint job had runs and thin spots etc. When I repaint my car I will try and use a good enamel that will hold up to time and no clear coat or very little if at all. I am also a new AACA judge and I believe that as long as the color is period correct and the paint job is good you should be OK with the AACA. Now Pebble Beach that is something different since you are competing against so many cars that are restored by professional shops where the owner had more money than brains and probably never has turned a wrench on their own car. I would go with a Urethane Enamel in a proper period color and not worry about it. The new paints today are much better than the old lacquer and will hold up much better and longer. I doubt that a judge would even take the time to look and see if it was lacquer or enamel. Could he tell? Remember most judges only have a few moments to go over a car and move on to the next. As long as the paint is not cracked, worn and in decent shape. No rust etc. I think you will be OK.
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#532572 - 08/21/08 02:35 PM
Re: Types of Paint for Antiques or Classics
[Re: durant28]
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Good topic! Anyone know what G.M. used for paint in the mid-fifties? And isn't lacquer more forgiving for the do-it yourselfer? I probably don't see as many cars as some but I sure have a hard job finding paint that I agree isn't overdone for the period.You can really appreciate original paint the rare times that you see it.
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#532589 - 08/21/08 03:28 PM
Re: Types of Paint for Antiques or Classics
[Re: pete324rock]
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isn't lacquer more forgiving for the do-it yourselfer? Lacquer is very forgiving. It dries fast so isn't prone to runs and it's easy to repair because the repair paint eats/blends right into the old coat. Base/clear is about as forgiving to shoot but has a some other problems lacquer does'nt have. Enamel is probably the toughest to apply. They all have good/bad points............Bob
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Bob Beck 39 Chev PU 69 big block Corvette 55 Buick 66C 57 Buick 46C 55 Olds S-88 56 Chrysler St. Regis AACA, BCA, WPC, USHGA
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#532640 - 08/21/08 07:52 PM
Re: Types of Paint for Antiques or Classics
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With regard to painting antique cars, I used Interlux Brightside Polyurethane on my 13 Buick. It comes in Dark Blue #4316 that replicates the original Blue/Black color offered in 1913. It looks very original on both the wood and metal parts of the car.
Since the car has a wood body, I used paint made for wood boats. Modern automotive paints are just too inflexible for a wood bodied car. It is a one step paint that smooths out nicely so touch-ups can easily be applied with a brush. It was only $30 per quart too.
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Mark Shaw BCA PWD Director HCCA Member (Skagit & Portland) 1913 Model 31 Touring 1915 Model C-25 "Speedster" 1924 Model 45 "Roadster Truck" 1929 Model 29-27 Sedan (Now my son's car) 1931 Model 57 Sedan 1938 Model 48 Sedan
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